Don Vito Corleone
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Welcome to a month ago. I suggest you do a little (okay, a lot) more research before you start quoting the SBV"T".
Welcome to a month ago. I suggest you do a little (okay, a lot) more research before you start quoting the SBV"T".
Don Vito Corleone
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Google is your friend. All this information is readily available. Read through the other threads here on the SBVT.
As for Dr. Letson, his name does not appear on any of Sen Kerry's medical records, including the one related to the Purple Heart-related injury Letson claims he treated him for. When asked if there was any way for Letson to confirm that he had treated Kerry, Letson answered, "I guess you'll have to take my word for it."
I find it impossible to swallow that a military medic in a combat zone (where he was presumably treating men who were disemboweled, needed amputations, etc.) could remember what he characterizes as a trivial injury, down to details including the precise dimensions of the object that caused it, particularly given that his name does not appear on any of Sen Kerry's medical documentation.
Van Odell claims Sen Kerry lied about being under fire in the incident that led to his Bronze Star, although the other members of Sen Kerry's crew also say they were under fire, and his fellow SBVT, Larry Thurlow, also received a Bronze Star for the same incident, including a citation specifically stating they were under fire.
there is something you left out. other vets do have the right, and as a veteran myself i claim that right. who the hell are you to tell me or anyone else who we can and cannot criticize? what gives YOU the right to shoot of your "mouth"? how old are you anyway? have you ever served in the armed forces? if not what the f%^k gives you the right to tell me about what can and cannot be said to a fellow veteran?
as i mentioned before i personally know men that have taken bullets, have burns all over thier bodies, and are missing body parts... now "infohawk" can you with any f%%ing sembelance of logic and reason explain to me how john's kerry's bruises and scratches gives him any sort of right to place himself on equal footing with these men?...especially after he turned his back on them? can you do that? or is it that all your capable of is the adolescent admiration of what you percieve to be "ownage"(that turned out not to be "ownage" as i re-read this thread BTW)
as for proof as one person has asked for go read hanoi john's book, HE SAYS SO HIMSELF.
this link is dedictated to all posers like kerry after you click the link dont cry and whine too much.
clik me posers
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there is something you left out. other vets do have the right, and as a veteran myself i claim that right. who the hell are you to tell me or anyone else who we can and cannot criticize? what gives YOU the right to shoot of your "mouth"? how old are you anyway? have you ever served in the armed forces? if not what the f%^k gives you the right to tell me about what can and cannot be said to a fellow veteran?
as i mentioned before i personally know men that have taken bullets, have burns all over thier bodies, and are missing body parts... now "infohawk" can you with any f%%ing sembelance of logic and reason explain to me how john's kerry's bruises and scratches gives him any sort of right to place himself on equal footing with these men?...especially after he turned his back on them? can you do that? or is it that all your capable of is the adolescent admiration of what you percieve to be "ownage"(that turned out not to be "ownage" as i re-read this thread BTW)
as for proof as one person has asked for go read hanoi john's book, HE SAYS SO HIMSELF.
this link is dedictated to all posers like kerry after you click the link dont cry and whine too much.
clik me posers[/quote]
Apparently veterans also have the right to spew hateful, incoherent nonsense.
FYI, I can think of at least two Vietnam vets on this board who support Kerry, and don't feel he turned his back on them. I too am a military member, and regard Sen Kerry's antiwar stance upon his return as the most positive aspect of his service (service which he could have avoided, and instead volunteered for).
Apparently veterans also have the right to spew hateful, incoherent nonsense.
FYI, I can think of at least two Vietnam vets on this board who support Kerry, and don't feel he turned his back on them. I too am a military member, and regard Sen Kerry's antiwar stance upon his return as the most positive aspect of his service (service which he could have avoided, and instead volunteered for).
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So you are telling people now that you are a trouble maker in this forum ( became my tail)
That is fun
hehehe
hateful? i will give you that...
incoherant? perhaps only to the illiterate. you know 2 vets who support kerry? well that is great! it is nice to see you have got everything so squared away.
i personally know about 3 dozen that do not. and are aquainted with hundereds of others.
if there is anything that has left you confused i would be more than happy to elucidate. perhaps you can answer the question i posed? or is that to hard? well the labeling bit always works doesnt it?
I'm not sure you have a chance to visite this web page
http://www.vnsfvetakerry.com/A...ort%20is%20appreciated:
I support them . And I introduce vnsfvetkerry.com by posting several post into some other web side. My Friends will spray out the message to more forum.
God bless you
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I apologize to the extent I made a personal attack, but I know a lot of active-duty GIs and vets (including Vietnam-era ones) who feel the same way I do about this issue.
i know a few too (i am at Fort Hood) but they are in the vast minority, perhaps other posts are different but here at Ft. Hood, HQ of both 4th ID and 1st CAV (both of which have spent alot of time in iraq) most are in support of the war, are in support of Pres Bush, and have a general disdain for kerry which many derived from the same reasons i outlined.
i hope he is smart enough to stay away from Ft Hood while campaigning, i would hate to see men whos shoes kerry is not even worthy enough to shine get an art. 15 for spitting in the traitorous pigs face and ask him how it feels as many have expressed a desire to do just so... and i am proud of the marines that put him in his place a few weeks ago.
i apologize as well for being more than a bit antagonistic, but i still feel i am right in everything i have said about hanoi john. i only hope that many people wake up and see that he is playing them for fools just as he did when he pretended to throw his medals away(or "give them back" as he put it) only to be deceptive about that as well(he really kept the medals)...alternately proud of his medals, then throwing them away, then proud of them again depending on the mood of the mob, and lying the whole time to them for the sake of political expediancy.
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I pretty much completely disagree with most of what you're saying, and calling a US Senator a "traitorous pig" is, er, problematic for an active-duty military member (if you're still one). Again, I find it ironic that a lot of Vietnam vets (including but not limited to men who endorsed President Bush in 2000, like Gen Merrill McPeak) are supporting Sen Kerry, yet you think you know better.
no, im not active duty anymore, i went off inactive reserve a few years ago
as for thinking i "know better" of course i do! bloody officers(including general officers) would not even be able to tie their shoes without a non-com around to make sure they do it right!
on a more serious note i know some vets and active military support kerry. but we both know they are not in the majority, and that is what is goign to count come nov.
now i am off to digest the fine meal i had with the Mrs. at red lobster tonight.
BTW what branch are you in? what MOS? i was USAR, a 12Bravo(combat engineer)
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i have a friend in the AF, he's a loadmaster on a C5 out of lackland.
so your not going career? your almost halfway to retirement.
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Where I come from, 6 isn't equal to 10! I think it's the right time to jump. I have no desire to spend my 30s and 40s moving every coupla years.
perhaps i should have went a bit more in depth
your over the "hump" of the initial 4 year active requirement of the 8 year total commitment, in a MOS such as yours you should be elgible for a pretty nice re-up bonus...especially if you do another 8 total commitment. once that is over(another 2 years) you would be almost "halfway" to your 20.
i am a "glass is half full" type
One of the things that most amazes me is the complete lack of disregard for anyone non-military as shown by military people.
I think that this is a product of the brainwashing inherent in being "trained" in the military (use a gun / shine your shoes / rabidly support the right wing conservatives) and the fact that the armed forces have to rely on a largely poor, ignorant, ill educated pool for recruitment.
It's a shame because I have always wanted to think of the military as men and women serving in a professional capacity who represent the best of America, always ready to step up to the plate and serve their country.
Instead our armed forces have treated us to the prisoner abuse scandal (blackening the US before the world community and, I may add, absolutely going to ensure that any captured soldier are treated incredibly inhumanely), the whole "Lcpl Boudreaux killed my dad then he knocked up my sister!" sign fiasco, and the current story on EHOWA.com where a young female medic takes pride in deliberately delaying giving morphine to a wounded insurgent so that she could inflict the pain of setting his shattered bones without any pain relief.
And now here you are telling us that the young enlisted men want to spit in somebody's face. What the hell happened to our respected, professional armed forces? Why has it become a breeding ground of immature, stupid, disrespectful people?
I understand that many people feel betrayed by Kerry's comments and testimony but this is a democracy and our very Constitution provides for him to speak freely about whatever, and to dissent from common opinion. It amazes me that the very people who say "I protect your freedom / our constitution" have so little knowledge of what it means or respect for it.
I hope that I am wrong and our armed forces are a bastion of polite, respectful, professional men and women who always seek to put their country in the best possible light but I think the events of the last few years have called a lot of that into question.
I guess the training and the poor recruitment pool are mostly to blame but get it together and learn to act like respectful, decent citizens who make everyone proud of America.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/boudreaux.asp
http://www.ehowa.com/home.shtml
EDIT: I do not mean to imply that the Vets can't disagree with Kerry, only to say that Kerry disagreeing with them and making the statements that he did is just that - a disagreement. Calling somebody a traitor for saying something with which you disagree is the very opposite of the spirit of dissent upon which this great country, and it's Constitution, are founded.
Y'know, from what my brother told me (former MP at Fort Hood), the maturity level there wasn't that high. The military loves the conservatives because they're more likely to satisfy their childish (maybe a bit sadistic) need to peck a fight. Soldiers have been trained (a bit brainwashed as well) to think that force is the first and only answer to every situation. Let's put it this way, they're not really for the war in Iraq, they're really for a war, ANY WAR, it doesn't matter. I have respect for our military but dammit, that attitude is really just plain stupid.
Now as for spitting on John Kerry, y'know what? That attitude disgusts me (a lot of neocons have shown themselves to be disgusting people on this forum as of late). Here's a man who met with almost two hundred other Vietnam veterans and told their story for them in front of Congress. He betrayed you? What stupid nonsense. He spoke the truth. What? You think killing children is ok? (Let me guess, you're also a pro-life person too, aren't you? I thought so.) You think cutting off ears is ok? Do you think Vietnam was a good and neccessary war? He has more courage to speak the truth like he did in his little finger, then you'll ever muster in your entire lifetime. Aww sorry, did he ruin the fun of a few sick, twisted soldiers in our military? You know what, spitting on John Kerry for that is like spitting on the backbone of morals and ethics that our military is supposed to stand for.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. The Armed Forces are quickly becoming an embarrassment to our country when they ought to be the best ambassadors ever produced. I guess they just don't get that in their training or are intentionally recruited with exactly the mind set that you have said.
One of the most interesting aspects of recruitment, for me, is that they like to recruit people who aren't very likely to think or question orders (just think back to Lynndie England's "orders from higher up" defense). The Army was recruiting at my college - when I was in college - and one of my friends told me that he wasn't their choice because he was a philosophy major and unlikely to follow orders just because.
It is a great thing to know that our Constitution made the military answer to the civilians. What also fascinates me is how they are the first to say "I am protecting our country and Constitution" then in the same breath say that disagreeing witht he President is treason. Just wave the flag and support any poor choice of the President or else you are an un-patriotic traitor.
I think that the final irony is that - regardless of what Kerry's impact might have been - the actions of the MP at that Iraqi prison are guarenteed to ensure that any captured soldiers will be tortured beyond belief and really and truly punished. Those MP did in real life what Kerry's comments could never have accomplished, and truly endangered all soldiers in Iraq, and yet none of the military people who rant about Kerry have yet to call them traitors.
Maybe a draft would be good if only to infuse the armed forces with educated, intelligent, free thinking people who only serve for a few years that way these brainwashed warriors are exposed to other ways of thinking. I can't help but think that my rejected friend - the philosophy major - would have been an excellent person to baby sit those soldiers in the prison and to have stopped all of the abuse.
But nope, we want easily brainwashed career soldiers.
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