Purchase XBOX 360 vs PS3

[thatolchestnut]

I have something of a nice home-theater set up, but I really need something for playing HD movies.

PS3
Very nice blueray player
Some games

XBOX360
Lots of games
Can only purchase movies off of marketplace

Gamewise I think I would be fine with either console since I would just get big title games like Madder etc.

Now I have a surround sound system and a monitor with VGA + DVI + HDMI. I need to plug in the sound in the Onkyo receiver and the video on the monitor separately. I dont know if that matters for either console.

EDIT:
My screen is 16:10 resolution which I heard is unsupported by xbox360. Will this cause a problem with watching movies?


thanks

 

[mugs]

I really need something for playing HD movies

If that's your primary reason for getting it, get the PS3. I still believe that only a sucker would buy DRMed digital media that ties them to a particular company, device, or DRM scheme that is not an industry standard. I would rent DRMed digital media, but that's kind of expensive compared to Netflix + Blu-Ray.

Now I have a surround sound system and a monitor with VGA + DVI + HDMI. I need to plug in the sound in the Onkyo receiver and the video on the monitor separately. I dont know if that matters for either console.

FYI, none of the Xboxes currently being produced come with the cables needed to output surround sound and HD video. For video you'll want to use HDMI, and for audio you'll want to use optical. They took the optical adapter out of the latest Elite, and the Arcade never had it. Monoprice has an adapter which I bought recently for ~$5+shipping, but I haven't tested the optical output yet. PS3 has built-in HDMI and optical ports, no problem there.

 

[hans030390]

Originally posted by: thatolchestnut
I have something of a nice home-theater set up, but I really need something for playing HD movies.

PS3
Very nice blueray player
Some games

XBOX360
Lots of games
Can only purchase movies off of marketplace

This really, REALLY no longer applies. 360 has a larger library, sure, but PS3's is still pretty large (and has many great games available).

Since you want something to play HD movies, you really want the PS3.

 

[thatolchestnut]

Ya, when a friend let me use their xbox I noticed that I could only use the normal cable. Now does the ps3 support 7.1 over optical?

Im leaning towards PS3 at this point. Only question now is whether buying used vs new makes any difference since I will need a bundle for the different addons I'm sure.

 

[DaveSimmons]

The PS3 has over 550 games. The only people saying "no games' are fanboys or those who already have a 360 who really mean "not enough exclusive games to make me spend $300."

PS3 slim has 7.1 over HDMI but I don't know if optical allows it, I'm lazy and still running a 5.1 setup.

The slim uses less power and runs even quieter than older models, plus you get a full warranty. Out of warranty repairs cost $150 so that matters.

Netflix carries pretty much every US blu-ray in print. No streaming to the PS3 without an app like PlayOn though

 

[Sahakiel]

Your other option is to get a dedicated Blu-Ray player and a separate console for games. Up to you whether you want the extra space or the flexibility.

 

[hans030390]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
The PS3 has over 550 games. The only people saying "no games' are fanboys or those who already have a 360 who really mean "not enough exclusive games to make me spend $300."

I think the PS3 has many great exclusives to justify the price tag, IMO (btw, I know you weren't stating that it didn't or anything). If you don't prefer the PS3 exclusives, then that's fine. Get a 360. Big deal...and vice versa.

 

[DaveSimmons]

^ sure, both have good exclusives but when you're looking at buying a second or third console it's much harder to justify it only for those exclusives, e.g. "would you pay $360 just to play Valkyria Chronicles and Ratchet & Clank?"

Besides reliability (now fixed), I put off buying a 360 for years because I'm not that big on online FPS gaming and I already had a gaming PC for Mass Effect, Oblivion, Fallout 3 etc. So there have been almost "no games" for it that I couldn't already play on my PC and PS3.

The Jasper Elite 360 is nice, and quiet unless you're using the DVD drive. but if you can only buy one and you want blu-ray the PS3 Slim seems like a better choice. For Netflix it's $40 to PlayOn vs. $40 to Microsoft for Live Gold.

> My screen is 16:10 resolution which I heard is unsupported by xbox360. Will this cause a problem with watching movies?
Good question, does the monitor (not your PC's video card) have options to preserve the aspect ratio / add black bars?

 

[Joemonkey]

Will you be streaming anything wirelessly to it? Remember, PS3 has built in Wifi and 360 doesn't

 

[Adrenaline]

Do what I did. Since a good blu-ray player costs as much as a PS3, buy the PS3 as a blu-ray player mainly and buy the 360 for games. I buy PS exclusive games for it and almost everything else for my 360. I have bought 2-3 games for the PS though that were available for both.

Here is another idea, Best Buy has no interest for 18 months on charges of $499 or more. Buy them both at once and you have 18 months to pay off the bill with no interest charge.

P.S. I buy my cables off ebay as they are usually a crapload cheaper than any store around here.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: hans030390

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
The PS3 has over 550 games. The only people saying "no games' are fanboys or those who already have a 360 who really mean "not enough exclusive games to make me spend $300."

I think the PS3 has many great exclusives to justify the price tag, IMO (btw, I know you weren't stating that it didn't or anything). If you don't prefer the PS3 exclusives, then that's fine. Get a 360. Big deal...and vice versa.

This. The "no games for PS3" era is over now. I bought my PS3 because I wanted an BRD player, and I have no regrets. I've got 10 or 11 games now, and there are still more I'm looking to get soon. I love it.

 

[santz]

EDIT:
My screen is 16:10 resolution which I heard is unsupported by xbox360. Will this cause a problem with watching movies?


thanks[/quote]


My screen resolution is also 16:10. I have connected it to my 360 without any problems and am enjoying full HD.

have fun. I also own both a 360 and ps3. the way i see it, 360 games are cheaper to buy as there are a lot of offers, ps3 not so much, with only once in a while offers for cheaper games, ..

so in the long run if nothing else, you will at least save a lot on money

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

OP, just keep in mind that if you buy an XBOX 360, it will break...it's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
OP, just keep in mind that if you buy an XBOX 360, it will break...it's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.

QFT. I just had my third die. I haven't received one of the Jaspers (yet), so I am not sure how reliable those are; however, it is really irritating.

From your description OP, I'd go for the PS3. Heck, if I didn't have so much tied up in the Xbox, I probably would have gotten a PS3 when the second one died.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
OP, just keep in mind that if you buy an XBOX 360, it will break...it's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.

QFT. I just had my third die. I haven't received one of the Jaspers (yet), so I am not sure how reliable those are; however, it is really irritating.

From your description OP, I'd go for the PS3. Heck, if I didn't have so much tied up in the Xbox, I probably would have gotten a PS3 when the second one died.

I've never owned a system like the XBOX 360 that is guaranteed to die sometime in the near future. I've heard that even the Jaspers aren't immune to the RROD...that Microsoft basically just put a band-aid fix on it to hopefully reduce the amount of RRODs. Something about still using the same clamp or something like that...

Back in 2007, I was trying to decide on whether I should get the 360 or the PS3. Since the PS3 had like no worthwhile games back then, I decided on the 360. In retrospect, I wish I had bought the PS3, because I would have gotten a 60 GB with PS2 BC, and I wouldn't have had so much money tied up in a 360 system that is completely unreliable.

I used to be a staunch defender of the 360, claiming that the tales of woe were overblown, until ironically, mine just recently died on me. Zephyr HDMI Pro...not a launch model. I really have no urgent incentive to get it fixed, since what's the rush? I will just get a model back that will break soon anyway. Why would I want to buy games for a system I now know will fail on me, and fail repeatedly?

 

[Pheran]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
OP, just keep in mind that if you buy an XBOX 360, it will break...it's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
I used to be a staunch defender of the 360, claiming that the tales of woe were overblown, until ironically, mine just recently died on me. Zephyr HDMI Pro...not a launch model. I really have no urgent incentive to get it fixed, since what's the rush? I will just get a model back that will break soon anyway. Why would I want to buy games for a system I now know will fail on me, and fail repeatedly?

This is nonsense - there is no evidence that the current Jasper revision has a failure rate any worse than other consoles. Your "not a launch model" Zephyr is just as bad as a Xenon launch model, there was no improvement to Zephyr other than adding HDMI. The RROD/heat fixes started with the Falcon revision and were improved again in Jasper.

Yes, the original Xbox 360 revisions (Xenon/Zephyr) suck. Yes, I feel bad for those on the RROD treadmill with them. But telling people that new 360s are guaranteed to break is just trolling.

 

[vi edit]

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***Disclaimer***
I own both an Xbox and a PS3
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If you have a decent HT setup and just want something to watch Blu-Ray movies on, just spend $150 on a Panasonic stand alone BR Player and be done with it. It's quieter than a PS3, takes up less room, less power, will have more audio/video hookup choices, and can be operated with a standard universal remote.

If you then decide that you want to play some games get one of those $170 Xbox Pro deals from Dell. You'll spend about the same as on a PS3 and have a device that works better as a movie player and one that is a better gaming console.

When I bought my PS3 (Nov '07) stand alone BR players were still in the $300-$400 range. So it was a good choice at the time since I only paid $350 for my 80 gig setup.

Now that stand alone players have come down so much in price they are just a better choice for movies IMHO.

 

[purbeast0]

PSA: THERE IS NO E IN BLURAY

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: Pheran

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
OP, just keep in mind that if you buy an XBOX 360, it will break...it's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
I used to be a staunch defender of the 360, claiming that the tales of woe were overblown, until ironically, mine just recently died on me. Zephyr HDMI Pro...not a launch model. I really have no urgent incentive to get it fixed, since what's the rush? I will just get a model back that will break soon anyway. Why would I want to buy games for a system I now know will fail on me, and fail repeatedly?

This is nonsense - there is no evidence that the current Jasper revision has a failure rate any worse than other consoles. Your "not a launch model" Zephyr is just as bad as a Xenon launch model, there was no improvement to Zephyr other than adding HDMI. The RROD/heat fixes started with the Falcon revision and were improved again in Jasper.

Yes, the original Xbox 360 revisions (Xenon/Zephyr) suck. Yes, I feel bad for those on the RROD treadmill with them. But telling people that new 360s are guaranteed to break is just trolling.

So because you don't agree with something and don't want to face the facts, it's "trolling".

:laugh:

BTW:

Wiki Link

"In July 2007, this version of the Xbox 360 began appearing with the Zephyr motherboard (the motherboard used in the Elite) which features HDMI 1.2 output and an improved GPU heatsink."

No improvement to Zephyr, eh? There were even recent discussions in this forum (I know at least in my "My 360 RROD'ed" thread) that the main problem with the 360, the clamp issue or something like that, still remains even in the Jasper revision.

Who's "trolling" again?

 

[Pheran]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Pheran

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
OP, just keep in mind that if you buy an XBOX 360, it will break...it's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
I used to be a staunch defender of the 360, claiming that the tales of woe were overblown, until ironically, mine just recently died on me. Zephyr HDMI Pro...not a launch model. I really have no urgent incentive to get it fixed, since what's the rush? I will just get a model back that will break soon anyway. Why would I want to buy games for a system I now know will fail on me, and fail repeatedly?

This is nonsense - there is no evidence that the current Jasper revision has a failure rate any worse than other consoles. Your "not a launch model" Zephyr is just as bad as a Xenon launch model, there was no improvement to Zephyr other than adding HDMI. The RROD/heat fixes started with the Falcon revision and were improved again in Jasper.

Yes, the original Xbox 360 revisions (Xenon/Zephyr) suck. Yes, I feel bad for those on the RROD treadmill with them. But telling people that new 360s are guaranteed to break is just trolling.

So because you don't agree with something and don't want to face the facts, it's "trolling".

:laugh:

BTW:

Wiki Link

"In July 2007, this version of the Xbox 360 began appearing with the Zephyr motherboard (the motherboard used in the Elite) which features HDMI 1.2 output and an improved GPU heatsink."

No improvement to Zephyr, eh? There were even recent discussions in this forum (I know at least in my "My 360 RROD'ed" thread) that the main problem with the 360, the clamp issue or something like that, still remains even in the Jasper revision.

Who's "trolling" again?

Being mistaken is not trolling. OK, so there was some heatsink improvement in Zephyr - I was wrong about the "no improvement" part. What I was trying to point out was that there was no die shrink in Zephyr, thus no reduced heat output as there is in Falcon and Jasper.

I stand by my original point that telling people new 360s are guaranteed to break is just nonsense.

 

[sourceninja]

Honestly, I bought both. If someone wanted to buy it, I'd probably sell them my ps3. Sure I'd miss some of the upcoming games I wouldn't mind playing (Uncharted 2 comes to mind), but honestly 99% of the time I'm on my wii or 360.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: Pheran

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Pheran

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
OP, just keep in mind that if you buy an XBOX 360, it will break...it's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
I used to be a staunch defender of the 360, claiming that the tales of woe were overblown, until ironically, mine just recently died on me. Zephyr HDMI Pro...not a launch model. I really have no urgent incentive to get it fixed, since what's the rush? I will just get a model back that will break soon anyway. Why would I want to buy games for a system I now know will fail on me, and fail repeatedly?

This is nonsense - there is no evidence that the current Jasper revision has a failure rate any worse than other consoles. Your "not a launch model" Zephyr is just as bad as a Xenon launch model, there was no improvement to Zephyr other than adding HDMI. The RROD/heat fixes started with the Falcon revision and were improved again in Jasper.

Yes, the original Xbox 360 revisions (Xenon/Zephyr) suck. Yes, I feel bad for those on the RROD treadmill with them. But telling people that new 360s are guaranteed to break is just trolling.

So because you don't agree with something and don't want to face the facts, it's "trolling".

:laugh:

BTW:

Wiki Link

"In July 2007, this version of the Xbox 360 began appearing with the Zephyr motherboard (the motherboard used in the Elite) which features HDMI 1.2 output and an improved GPU heatsink."

No improvement to Zephyr, eh? There were even recent discussions in this forum (I know at least in my "My 360 RROD'ed" thread) that the main problem with the 360, the clamp issue or something like that, still remains even in the Jasper revision.

Who's "trolling" again?

Being mistaken is not trolling. OK, so there was some heatsink improvement in Zephyr - I was wrong about the "no improvement" part. What I was trying to point out was that there was no die shrink in Zephyr, thus no reduced heat output as there is in Falcon and Jasper.

I stand by my original point that telling people new 360s are guaranteed to break is just nonsense.

It took what, over two years or so for the RROD issue to become widely known? Falcon and especially Jasper haven't been out that long. I'd rather wait to see the data than just believe that Microsoft's drastically abysmal quality record has magically been improved.

I go by past precedence and facts, not anecdotal evidence and Microsoft's PR statements.

According to the GI "study", over half of 360's break. Now, it was just a poll, and it doesn't distinguish between the revisions, but that is a pretty startling number.

Perhaps we will never know, since Microsoft isn't too willing to give us much data on their snafu, but I am not so inclined to trust them since they have screwed over me and so many other customers in the past.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Edit: Man, it appears that Falcon started appearing at the end of September 2007...the same month I bought mine! If only I had waited a little bit...

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Edit: Man, it appears that Falcon started appearing at the end of September 2007...the same month I bought mine! If only I had waited a little bit...

If it makes you feel any better, my Falcon Elite croaked a couple of weeks ago with the RROD. I should be getting it back today from MS.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Edit: Man, it appears that Falcon started appearing at the end of September 2007...the same month I bought mine! If only I had waited a little bit...

If it makes you feel any better, my Falcon Elite croaked a couple of weeks ago with the RROD. I should be getting it back today from MS.

:Q

But! According to some, the Falcon revision "fixed the RROD" and we can't say that newer consoles will break any more!



Seriously man, that sucks...like I said before, there's no data or guarantee that the newer revisions have fixed the RROD.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
OP, just keep in mind that if you buy an XBOX 360, it will break...it's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.

QFT. I just had my third die. I haven't received one of the Jaspers (yet), so I am not sure how reliable those are; however, it is really irritating.

From your description OP, I'd go for the PS3. Heck, if I didn't have so much tied up in the Xbox, I probably would have gotten a PS3 when the second one died.

I've never owned a system like the XBOX 360 that is guaranteed to die sometime in the near future. I've heard that even the Jaspers aren't immune to the RROD...that Microsoft basically just put a band-aid fix on it to hopefully reduce the amount of RRODs. Something about still using the same clamp or something like that...

Back in 2007, I was trying to decide on whether I should get the 360 or the PS3. Since the PS3 had like no worthwhile games back then, I decided on the 360. In retrospect, I wish I had bought the PS3, because I would have gotten a 60 GB with PS2 BC, and I wouldn't have had so much money tied up in a 360 system that is completely unreliable.

I used to be a staunch defender of the 360, claiming that the tales of woe were overblown, until ironically, mine just recently died on me. Zephyr HDMI Pro...not a launch model. I really have no urgent incentive to get it fixed, since what's the rush? I will just get a model back that will break soon anyway. Why would I want to buy games for a system I now know will fail on me, and fail repeatedly?

Well what you can do (and I probably should have done) is buy a PS3 and just start buying games for it instead of the 360. That way, you'll eventually have everything you need on the PS3 and be able to ditch the 360.

I had the Best Buy warranty on the first 2 360s and I should've just bought a PS3 when the second one died and I got the reimbursement.