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How is it illegal to pump ur own gas in NJ?  I went there 4-5 months ago to buy my car and before I went to the dealership, I pumped up the car I drove up there and they didn't say anything.  
			
			Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
A friend of mine was at the wedding of a friend of his in California, and stuck a note inside the gas-cap cover on the car the bride and groom were going to use to escape. He knew they were going through Oregon and would have to refuel there. The note said, "Help, I'm being kidnapped, call the police!"
Well, the guy who pumped their gas did, and the situation took hours to clear up, as they apparently left their identification, money, etc. in their other clothing, which was still at the church in California.
I think it's a bad law because you have to pay those extra workers. Gas would be cheaper without them.Originally posted by: vegetation
Bad law, makes it impossible to accurately calculate your miles per gallon.
Originally posted by: vegetation
Bad law, makes it impossible to accurately calculate your miles per gallon.
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Dunno about NJ, but it's illegal here in OR.
Originally posted by: vegetation
Bad law, makes it impossible to accurately calculate your miles per gallon.
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
I think it's a bad law because you have to pay those extra workers. Gas would be cheaper without them.Originally posted by: vegetation
Bad law, makes it impossible to accurately calculate your miles per gallon.
Originally posted by: dionx
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Dunno about NJ, but it's illegal here in OR.
why is it so illegal? what are the cons of pumping your own gas or the pros of having an attendant pump it?
Originally posted by: vegetation
Bad law, makes it impossible to accurately calculate your miles per gallon.
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: dionx
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Dunno about NJ, but it's illegal here in OR.
why is it so illegal? what are the cons of pumping your own gas or the pros of having an attendant pump it?
cuz there is a law against it ?
why else would it be illegal.
Originally posted by: dionx
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Dunno about NJ, but it's illegal here in OR.
why is it so illegal? what are the cons of pumping your own gas or the pros of having an attendant pump it?
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
I think it's a bad law because you have to pay those extra workers. Gas would be cheaper without them.Originally posted by: vegetation
Bad law, makes it impossible to accurately calculate your miles per gallon.
Gas is cheap anyway. We're only second in the nation for highest gas rates. Not first.
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In the case of Oregon, it's because they have a good union. In the case of NJ, it's because the locals are too st00pid to pump their ownOriginally posted by: MacBaine
Why is it that way?
Originally posted by: MisterPresident
I actually remember reading that these laws were passed not to create more jobs or prevent people from blowing themselves up, but on behalf of physically disabled people. If I am physically able to pump my own gas in CA, for example, I can choose to pay for self-service. If I'm elderly, disabled, etc, then I HAVE to buy full service. People got mad. To get around this problem, I believe this law was passed.
How do you figure?? It's just as easy to read the pump meter in Oregon as it is anywhere else.Originally posted by: vegetation
Bad law, makes it impossible to accurately calculate your miles per gallon.
Again, it isn't stupid at all. It's the voters that decide, not the gas-pumpers lobby.Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Wow.. a law like that is amazingly stupid. You can take it one of two ways: The "nanny-state" government that assumes you're not capable of such a simple task, or the gas-pumpers' lobby being amazingly successful at passing legislation to justify their existence.
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April 3, 2003
2 On Your Side examines self serve gas
The controversial debate over self-service gasoline is heating up once again in Salem.
Drivers in 48 states can pump their own gas but drivers in Oregon cannot.
KATU's 2 On Your Side reporter Ed Teachout took a closer look at the proposal to give Oregon drivers the power to pump.
They've been pumping you up since the first drop of gas flowed from a nozzle in Oregon. Gas station attendants are the only ones allowed to fill your gas tank up.
But if a new bill passes Oregon will join 48 other states that allow drivers to top off their own tanks.
"I do not want to see them change the law I'm spoiled and I love it here," said Randi Besser.
"I don't think it's a good deal, I don't think it's a good idea, I work in Vancouver but I buy gas here only because I don't have to pump it," said David Lawrence, a Washington motorist.
The state representative sponsoring the bill said self service would help lower the price at the pump.
"I don't think any rational person could argue that removing the labor component wouldn't also remove some of the cost to deliver that product," said Rep. Randy Miller.
Representative Mark Hass said that studies show no correlation between self-service and prices at the pump.
Some Washington drivers don't see a problem at all.
Ed Teachout: "How do you like pumping your own gas?"
Marcy Marshall, Washington Motorist: "It's easy, you get used to it - it's not an issue you're in and out - it's a lot quicker."
If the bill passes an attendant would still have to pump your gas at the self-serve price if:
# You are 55 or older.
# You have a disabled parking permit.
# or a medical condition that you should not be around gasoline fumes.
That may require stations to have three different pump islands: Self serve, assisted self serve at the same price and full service, which more than likely will continue to cost you more.
The self-service bill gets its first hearing Friday morning in Salem. It will then have to be voted on by both the House and Senate.
Also,The following is taken directly from the text of ORS 480.330:
"An owner, operator or employee of a filling station service station, garage, or other dispensary where class 1 flammable liquids are dispensed at retail may not permit any person other than the owner, operator or employee to use or manipulate any pump, hose, pipe or other device for dispensing the liquids into the fuel tank of a motor vehicle or other retail container."
ORS 480.385, Civil penalty for dispensing law violation:
Civil penalty shall become due and payable 10 days after order: up to $500.
There are 17 declarations listed which try to rationalize this completely irrational law. Too many to list in this writing but here are some of my personal favorites:
ORS480.315
1) The dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids by dispensers properly trained in appropriate safety procedures reduces fire hazards directly associated with the dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids.
7) Exposure to toxic fumes represents a health hazard to customers dispensing Class 1 flammable liquids.
10a) The significantly higher prices typically charged for full-service fuel dispensing in states where self service is permitted at retail discriminates against customers with lower incomes, who are under greater economic pressure to subject themselves to the inconvenience and hazards of self-service.
11) The increased use of self-service at retail in other states has contributed to diminishing the availability of automotive repair facilities at gasoline stations.
14) Self service dispensing at retail contributes to unemployment, particularly among young people.
And, last but not least.....we can't forget about 'the children':
17) Small children left unattended when customers leave to make payment at self service stations creates a dangerous situation.
Originally posted by: MisterPresident
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=56110
April 3, 2003
2 On Your Side examines self serve gas
The controversial debate over self-service gasoline is heating up once again in Salem.
Drivers in 48 states can pump their own gas but drivers in Oregon cannot.
KATU's 2 On Your Side reporter Ed Teachout took a closer look at the proposal to give Oregon drivers the power to pump.
They've been pumping you up since the first drop of gas flowed from a nozzle in Oregon. Gas station attendants are the only ones allowed to fill your gas tank up.
But if a new bill passes Oregon will join 48 other states that allow drivers to top off their own tanks.
"I do not want to see them change the law I'm spoiled and I love it here," said Randi Besser.
"I don't think it's a good deal, I don't think it's a good idea, I work in Vancouver but I buy gas here only because I don't have to pump it," said David Lawrence, a Washington motorist.
The state representative sponsoring the bill said self service would help lower the price at the pump.
"I don't think any rational person could argue that removing the labor component wouldn't also remove some of the cost to deliver that product," said Rep. Randy Miller.
Representative Mark Hass said that studies show no correlation between self-service and prices at the pump.
Some Washington drivers don't see a problem at all.
Ed Teachout: "How do you like pumping your own gas?"
Marcy Marshall, Washington Motorist: "It's easy, you get used to it - it's not an issue you're in and out - it's a lot quicker."
If the bill passes an attendant would still have to pump your gas at the self-serve price if:
# You are 55 or older.
# You have a disabled parking permit.
# or a medical condition that you should not be around gasoline fumes.
That may require stations to have three different pump islands: Self serve, assisted self serve at the same price and full service, which more than likely will continue to cost you more.
The self-service bill gets its first hearing Friday morning in Salem. It will then have to be voted on by both the House and Senate.
