Pulled the old switchero of changing the thread title

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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Insane3D
No, they weren't "already there". Saddam ran a secular government, and restricted the practice of religion quite a bit. There was no AQ in Iraq before we invaded, but there is plenty now.

um, things changed after we invaded, and we werent the only ones that invaded. Those radicals were already there, maybe not in Iraq, but in the middle east. They are using Iraq as a chess board because thats where our troops are. Most of the radicals came from out of state. Yea we gave them a reason, but thats like saying we are bad for giving a bully a reason to fight back. I mean, wtf kind of logic is that? Think harder.

Umm, Isn't the bully the one who attacks first ?

nope. not if you are smart. come on people. why is everyone so reactive instead of proactive?

You may kill someone one day, therefore we have to kill you to stop that from happening.

 

[TechBoyJK]

we can approach it one of two ways

1. Wait for the bully to attack. Unfortunately this means constantly being on guard waiting for the potential of an attack. Not to mention, when the bully attacks us we might die, therefore making the strategy of a "strike back" irrelevant.

2. Attack the bully. Win. Sleep nice.

 

[wfbberzerker]

how about the general public?

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Insane3D
No, they weren't "already there". Saddam ran a secular government, and restricted the practice of religion quite a bit. There was no AQ in Iraq before we invaded, but there is plenty now.

um, things changed after we invaded, and we werent the only ones that invaded. Those radicals were already there, maybe not in Iraq, but in the middle east. They are using Iraq as a chess board because thats where our troops are. Most of the radicals came from out of state. Yea we gave them a reason, but thats like saying we are bad for giving a bully a reason to fight back. I mean, wtf kind of logic is that? Think harder.

Umm, Isn't the bully the one who attacks first ?

nope. not if you are smart. come on people. why is everyone so reactive instead of proactive?

You may kill someone one day, therefore we have to kill you to stop that from happening.

I may kill someone who might kill you. who's side do you want me on?

 

[Insane3D]

Think harder? Why? Because I don't agree with you I need to think harder to reach your level? Fact is Iraq didn't have much in the way of Islamic terrorists because Saddam ran a secular government. Now that we have invaded and can barely handle policing the country, there are more and more new terrorists there everyday trying to kill our troops.

By invading one of the most sacred countries in all of Islam, second only to Saudi Arabia, we are affirming what OBL has been preaching about us all along. This in turn is breeding a whole new generation of Islamic radicals.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Think harder? Why? Because I don't agree with you I need to think harder to reach your level. Fact is Iraq didn't have much in the way of Islamic terrorists because Saddam ran a secular government. Now that we have invaded and can barely handle policing the country, there are more and more new terrorists there everyday trying to kill our troops.

By invading one of the most sacred countries in all of Islam, second only to Saudi Arabia, we are affirming what OBL has been preaching about us all along. This in turn is breeding a whole new generation of Islamic radicals.

nothing against you, just your behavior. Yes, please think harder so you can at least see my perspective. Why? think about it.

anyways, if I was taking out a bully and someone told me that the land was sacred to the people he was bullying, I would respect that. If it was only sacred to him, burn it down.

About the radicals? No shlt. We just invaded a country, think people won't bitch? Thats all they are doing. We have crazier people in the US. WHat you see of radicals in Iraq was a migration of radicals into Iraq for an opporuntity to strike at our troops (alot closer than actual us soil) combined with saddam loyalists that are pissed that daddy is gone. well, now that daddy is in jail, mommy went and got a step daddy.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
we can approach it one of two ways

1. Wait for the bully to attack. Unfortunately this means constantly being on guard waiting for the potential of an attack. Not to mention, when the bully attacks us we might die, therefore making the strategy of a "strike back" irrelevant.

2. Attack the bully. Win. Sleep nice.

On any given day, thousands of people die in automobile accidents. Should we be "proactive" and destroy all cars?

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
we can approach it one of two ways

1. Wait for the bully to attack. Unfortunately this means constantly being on guard waiting for the potential of an attack. Not to mention, when the bully attacks us we might die, therefore making the strategy of a "strike back" irrelevant.

2. Attack the bully. Win. Sleep nice.

But you have become the enemy.

 

[Taggart]

A radical Islamic terrorist group-- Al Qaeda dropped the Twin Towers and hit the Pentagon. They still threaten us.

Whether or not you like Bush, if you say he is the biggest threat YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Think harder? Why? Because I don't agree with you I need to think harder to reach your level. Fact is Iraq didn't have much in the way of Islamic terrorists because Saddam ran a secular government. Now that we have invaded and can barely handle policing the country, there are more and more new terrorists there everyday trying to kill our troops.

By invading one of the most sacred countries in all of Islam, second only to Saudi Arabia, we are affirming what OBL has been preaching about us all along. This in turn is breeding a whole new generation of Islamic radicals.

nothing against you, just your behavior. Yes, please think harder so you can at least see my perspective. Why? think about it.

What? My behavior? Who made your POV the one and only "right" one?

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Insane3D
No, they weren't "already there". Saddam ran a secular government, and restricted the practice of religion quite a bit. There was no AQ in Iraq before we invaded, but there is plenty now.

um, things changed after we invaded, and we werent the only ones that invaded. Those radicals were already there, maybe not in Iraq, but in the middle east. They are using Iraq as a chess board because thats where our troops are. Most of the radicals came from out of state. Yea we gave them a reason, but thats like saying we are bad for giving a bully a reason to fight back. I mean, wtf kind of logic is that? Think harder.

Umm, Isn't the bully the one who attacks first ?

nope. not if you are smart. come on people. why is everyone so reactive instead of proactive?

You may kill someone one day, therefore we have to kill you to stop that from happening.

I may kill someone who might kill you. who's side do you want me on?

WTF ?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Nothing to do with oil, directly. Let's go back to my bully analogy. So after I just beat up the bully and found his hideout in the woods, I find he has a cooler filled with ice cold coke. Hot damn I love a cold coke. (I actually have been drinking them quite a bit lately, alot of work to do, it has caffeine. ) So I invite the local kids that where bullied by the bully back to the hide out to have a coke, and then show them how to setup a neighborhood "coke" operation and make some money. I'm not ignorant. I would gladly pay $3 a gallon or more if it meant just one soldier didn't have to die. This is about so much more than oil. So much more than oil. You'd have to be shortsighted because your pissed about gas prices to think otherwise.

Actually, if people would actually take risks and try to do something with their lives, they might realize what kind of real life survival measures they need to take to keep someone else from ruining their lives or the lives of people they love. The USA is no different in its need for these security measures and policies. If you want to attack us, FUK you, and here comes hell. This is how it has to be. Otherwise, we will keep living in fear. End of story. As I started in business, I sued the first person that remotely screwed me, not because I am lawsuit happy, but because I wanted to know the process and show to myself and others that I would do things to protect myself. Not only did I attack the other party legally, I worked with lawyers to screw with them psychologically. The timing of things, how we said them, when we said them. Kind of like picking a fight not knowing if you will win, but knowing that you will definately learn from it for the next time you are in a fight, and its not one you picked.

WTF? Kids selling coke? You're the greatest threat to this country you sick drug dealing fvcker! :|

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Taggart
A radical Islamic terrorist group-- Al Qaeda dropped the Twin Towers and hit the Pentagon. They still threaten us.

Whether or not you like Bush, if you say he is the biggest threat YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND

The plain fact is they don't have anywhere near the manpower or weaponry to destroy us. They may be able to mount attacks, but they are hardly a threat to the existence of this country.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Insane3D
No, they weren't "already there". Saddam ran a secular government, and restricted the practice of religion quite a bit. There was no AQ in Iraq before we invaded, but there is plenty now.

um, things changed after we invaded, and we werent the only ones that invaded. Those radicals were already there, maybe not in Iraq, but in the middle east. They are using Iraq as a chess board because thats where our troops are. Most of the radicals came from out of state. Yea we gave them a reason, but thats like saying we are bad for giving a bully a reason to fight back. I mean, wtf kind of logic is that? Think harder.

Umm, Isn't the bully the one who attacks first ?

nope. not if you are smart. come on people. why is everyone so reactive instead of proactive?

You may kill someone one day, therefore we have to kill you to stop that from happening.

I may kill someone who might kill you. who's side do you want me on?

WTF ?

I just might kill myself.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Taggart
A radical Islamic terrorist group-- Al Qaeda dropped the Twin Towers and hit the Pentagon. They still threaten us.

Whether or not you like Bush, if you say he is the biggest threat YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND

The plain fact is they don't have anywhere near the manpower or weaponry to destroy us. They may be able to mount attacks, but they are hardly a threat to the existence of this country.

And again, we have to look at it from a bigger perspective. How many people die in car wrecks each year ? How many from heart attacks ? ......

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Taggart
A radical Islamic terrorist group-- Al Qaeda dropped the Twin Towers and hit the Pentagon. They still threaten us.

Whether or not you like Bush, if you say he is the biggest threat YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND

The plain fact is they don't have anywhere near the manpower or weaponry to destroy us. They may be able to mount attacks, but they are hardly a threat to the existence of this country.

yea, but the attacks frikkin hurt. Because they won't kill us per se, doesn't mean we shouldnt go after them aggressively to make it stop. I'm going to use another analogy here. They might not have a sword big enough to kill us with a few swings, but if they can tackle us with terrorism and give us chinese water torture (constant, smaller attacks that get more and more annoying), I still say take em out.

actually a better analogy might be the driver who otherwise wouldn't be harmed by a bee, but freaked out when he got stung and drove his car into oncoming traffic. they are trying to kill us, not by stinging us, but getting us to freak out (terror) and do something irrational. Irrational would have been waiting aroudn for the UN and france.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Taggart
A radical Islamic terrorist group-- Al Qaeda dropped the Twin Towers and hit the Pentagon. They still threaten us.

Whether or not you like Bush, if you say he is the biggest threat YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND

The plain fact is they don't have anywhere near the manpower or weaponry to destroy us. They may be able to mount attacks, but they are hardly a threat to the existence of this country.

And again, we have to look at it from a bigger perspective. How many people die in car wrecks each year ? How many from heart attacks ? ......

How many souls does Mill consume every year?

 

[Insane3D]

It's funny, apparently according to TechBoyJK (who has holds the only right and true POV of course), we must be proactive in meeting threats, even though this country has made it this far without being "proactive" and attacking "possible" threats.

 

[Judgement]

Originally posted by: Taggart
A radical Islamic terrorist group-- Al Qaeda dropped the Twin Towers and hit the Pentagon. They still threaten us.

Whether or not you like Bush, if you say he is the biggest threat YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND

:thumbsup:

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Taggart
A radical Islamic terrorist group-- Al Qaeda dropped the Twin Towers and hit the Pentagon. They still threaten us.

Whether or not you like Bush, if you say he is the biggest threat YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND

The plain fact is they don't have anywhere near the manpower or weaponry to destroy us. They may be able to mount attacks, but they are hardly a threat to the existence of this country.

And again, we have to look at it from a bigger perspective. How many people die in car wrecks each year ? How many from heart attacks ? ......

How many souls does Mill consume every year?

yea, lets compare the numbers of people that die per year from smoking vs. soldiers dying in Iraq.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Taggart
A radical Islamic terrorist group-- Al Qaeda dropped the Twin Towers and hit the Pentagon. They still threaten us.

Whether or not you like Bush, if you say he is the biggest threat YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND

The plain fact is they don't have anywhere near the manpower or weaponry to destroy us. They may be able to mount attacks, but they are hardly a threat to the existence of this country.

yea, but the attacks frikkin hurt. Because they won't kill us per se, doesn't mean we shouldnt go after them aggressively to make it stop. I'm going to use another analogy here. They might not have a sword big enough to kill us with a few swings, but if they can tackle us with terrorism and give us chinese water torture (constant, smaller attacks that get more and more annoying), I still say take em out.

Are you in the Military ? I suggest you join if you are so quick to fight about things that you admit won't really hurt us all that badly.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Taggart
A radical Islamic terrorist group-- Al Qaeda dropped the Twin Towers and hit the Pentagon. They still threaten us.

Whether or not you like Bush, if you say he is the biggest threat YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND

The plain fact is they don't have anywhere near the manpower or weaponry to destroy us. They may be able to mount attacks, but they are hardly a threat to the existence of this country.

And again, we have to look at it from a bigger perspective. How many people die in car wrecks each year ? How many from heart attacks ? ......

How many souls does Mill consume every year?

yea, lets compare the numbers of people that die per year from smoking vs. soldiers dying in Iraq.

So should we ban smoking ? Kill the CEOs of "Big Tobacco" ?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

wtf... I only have 1 vote (my own)? Christ, I'm not working hard enough!

 

[Judgement]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
It's funny, apparently according to TechBoyJK (who has holds the only right and true POV of course), we must be proactive in meeting threats, even though this country has made it this far without being "proactive" and attacking "possible" threats.

Honestly, WTF are you talking about?

WWII, Korea, and Vietnam were all proactive.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
wtf... I only have 1 vote (my own)? Christ, I'm not working hard enough!