exar333
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Agreed. My opinion is that the PS3 was over-priced >$400; when this hit less than this price point, it then became worth the price.
Agreed. My opinion is that the PS3 was over-priced >$400; when this hit less than this price point, it then became worth the price.
Pr0d1gy
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42963715/ns/technology_and_science-security/
Armed with courage and the arrogance of youth, a teenage hacker has taken over the message boards belonging to the anti-censorship hacking collective known as Anonymous.
In the past year, the AnonOps message boards have been the jumping-off point for several of Anonymous' most high-profile hacking campaigns, including attacks on government websites in Egypt, Iran, New Zealand and Tunisia, as well as against Sony, Bank of America, numerous WikiLeaks detractors and the hateful Westboro Baptist Church.
Now, however, the tables have been turned.
A letter on AnonOps.in, the group's temporarily official channel, reads: "We would STRONGLY ADVISE all users to STAY AWAY from AnonOps.net and AnonOps.ru and they should be considered COMPROMISED. Using or connecting to any service on those addresses may put your computer, and by extension your person, at risk."
AnonOps pins the attacks on "Ryan," a former administrator for the message boards, who, the letter says, grew tired of the "leaderless command structure that AnonOps Network Admins use."
After stealing the IP addresses of hundreds of the message boards' users, Ryan launched denial-of-service attacks against AnonOps.ru and AnonOps.net. While the .ru message board is currently offline, the hacker replaced the .net board with a page called "LOL ANONOPS DEAD," and listed the hundreds of hijacked IP addresses.
In keeping with Anonymous' impressive track record of publicly shaming its opponents, the mysterious Ryan may have already been identified.
The British technology website Thinq captured a screenshot of a revenge attack carried out by Anonymous members that lists Ryan Cleary, a British teen thought to be between 17 and 19 years old, as the AnonOps hacker. The screenshot also includes Cleary's physical, email and IP addresses and home and mobile phone numbers.
hahahahah
Armed with courage and the arrogance of youth, a teenage hacker has taken over the message boards belonging to the anti-censorship hacking collective known as Anonymous.
In the past year, the AnonOps message boards have been the jumping-off point for several of Anonymous' most high-profile hacking campaigns, including attacks on government websites in Egypt, Iran, New Zealand and Tunisia, as well as against Sony, Bank of America, numerous WikiLeaks detractors and the hateful Westboro Baptist Church.
Now, however, the tables have been turned.
A letter on AnonOps.in, the group's temporarily official channel, reads: "We would STRONGLY ADVISE all users to STAY AWAY from AnonOps.net and AnonOps.ru and they should be considered COMPROMISED. Using or connecting to any service on those addresses may put your computer, and by extension your person, at risk."
AnonOps pins the attacks on "Ryan," a former administrator for the message boards, who, the letter says, grew tired of the "leaderless command structure that AnonOps Network Admins use."
After stealing the IP addresses of hundreds of the message boards' users, Ryan launched denial-of-service attacks against AnonOps.ru and AnonOps.net. While the .ru message board is currently offline, the hacker replaced the .net board with a page called "LOL ANONOPS DEAD," and listed the hundreds of hijacked IP addresses.
In keeping with Anonymous' impressive track record of publicly shaming its opponents, the mysterious Ryan may have already been identified.
The British technology website Thinq captured a screenshot of a revenge attack carried out by Anonymous members that lists Ryan Cleary, a British teen thought to be between 17 and 19 years old, as the AnonOps hacker. The screenshot also includes Cleary's physical, email and IP addresses and home and mobile phone numbers.
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CZroe
Lifer
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I would bet everything I own that I am a bigger gamer than you and neither I nor a single gamer I know gives two shits about Gran Turismo nor have they ever. Ugh. Fucking jock-gamers with their Madden and Gran Turismo think that they are real gamers just because they aren't considered "casual." *rolls eyes*
Portal 2 has frickin' BILLBOARDS all over the city. When has GT ever gotten that treatment? If you honestly think it's higher-profile, you are ignorant.
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CZroe
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While Portal 2 has a satisfying single player game, they promote the coop mode almost exclusively. The coop campaign is completely different and it's what thy promot on the from of the box and everywhere as the main reason to buy the game. On top of that, many people bought the PS3 version for the PC Steam copy and they can't activate/link on Steam while PSN is down.
Krynj
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I don't think that's a fair assumption. One of the reasons I bought a PS3 was Gran Turismo 5, and I wouldn't consider myself a "jock-gamer". I've never owned a Madden game, nor do I think I have to call myself a "real gamer". I just enjoy racing/racing sim games (among others, of course), and the Gran Turismo series has provided an excellent racing sim experience since the first one.
Just because somebody prefers to play Madden or Gran Turismo doesn't mean they're not gamers. I didn't even know there were elitists like you out there that took pride in the fact that they're "serious gamers"....as opposed to just a gamer. Do some people seriously think they're better than others, based on what kind of games they play?
PS, GT5 didn't need any billboards, that's why you didn't see any.
purbeast0
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you should have seen what it said before he edited it. it was literally incoherent. i read it like 3x and had no clue what he was trying to say.
Duder1no
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now things get interesting
Sony may offer reward for PSN hackers' heads
With its PlayStation Network still crippled from a round of cyber attacks, Sony is reportedly considering offering a reward to anyone who offers up information that helps reveal identities of the hackers who launched the attacks, reports All Things Digital. The company has not yet reached a decision to offer a reward, but shows how desperate the company is to catch the culprits.
If Sony does decide to offer a reward, it will reportedly do so in full cooperation with the FBI and other law enforcement agencies around the world, who may find the case within their jurisdiction.
In a letter to Congress about the matter, Sony admitted that it has no idea about the actual identities of the hackers that infiltrated the PSN, and stole the personal and financial data of as many as 100 million users, worldwide. The company has pointed to infamous hacker group Anonymous as a possible suspect, saying that they found files labeled Anonymous and We are legion (an Anonymous slogan), on their servers.
Anonymous has admitted to flooding Sonys websites with traffic, a type of attack known as distributed denial of service (DDoS), as part of OpSony, a campaign against Sony for its lawsuit against fellow hacker George GeoHot Hotz, who jailbroke the PlayStation 3. Initially, however, the group firmly denied any involvement in the credit card data theft that has caused Sony so much trouble. But according to the Financial Times, two members of Anonymous admit that supporters of the loose-knit group waged the attacks on Sonys systems and stole the data.
The hacker that did this was supporting OpSonys movements, an Anonymous hacker told FT.
Long-time Anonymous hacker, who goes by the name Kayla, confirmed to FT that at least supporters of Anonymous could have been responsible for the PSN breach.
If you say you are Anonymous, and do something as Anonymous, then Anonymous did it, said Kayla, who famously helped hack security firm HBGary Federal. Just because the rest of Anonymous might not agree with it, doesnt mean Anonymous didnt do it.
Anonymous has been involved in an increasing number of high-profile hacks and cyber attacks against corporations like Visa, MasterCard and PayPal. They have also dipped their digital toes into geo-political battles in countries like Egypt and Iran.
With various government agencies hounding Sony for answers about the massive data breach of its networks, dont be surprised if they toss out a hefty chunk of change to get people talking. And, since it seems some already are spilling the beans, the identities of the PSN hackers could soon be made public.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/digitaltrends/20110507/tc_digitaltrends/sonymayofferrewardforpsnhackersheads
Sony may offer reward for PSN hackers' heads
With its PlayStation Network still crippled from a round of cyber attacks, Sony is reportedly considering offering a reward to anyone who offers up information that helps reveal identities of the hackers who launched the attacks, reports All Things Digital. The company has not yet reached a decision to offer a reward, but shows how desperate the company is to catch the culprits.
If Sony does decide to offer a reward, it will reportedly do so in full cooperation with the FBI and other law enforcement agencies around the world, who may find the case within their jurisdiction.
In a letter to Congress about the matter, Sony admitted that it has no idea about the actual identities of the hackers that infiltrated the PSN, and stole the personal and financial data of as many as 100 million users, worldwide. The company has pointed to infamous hacker group Anonymous as a possible suspect, saying that they found files labeled Anonymous and We are legion (an Anonymous slogan), on their servers.
Anonymous has admitted to flooding Sonys websites with traffic, a type of attack known as distributed denial of service (DDoS), as part of OpSony, a campaign against Sony for its lawsuit against fellow hacker George GeoHot Hotz, who jailbroke the PlayStation 3. Initially, however, the group firmly denied any involvement in the credit card data theft that has caused Sony so much trouble. But according to the Financial Times, two members of Anonymous admit that supporters of the loose-knit group waged the attacks on Sonys systems and stole the data.
The hacker that did this was supporting OpSonys movements, an Anonymous hacker told FT.
Long-time Anonymous hacker, who goes by the name Kayla, confirmed to FT that at least supporters of Anonymous could have been responsible for the PSN breach.
If you say you are Anonymous, and do something as Anonymous, then Anonymous did it, said Kayla, who famously helped hack security firm HBGary Federal. Just because the rest of Anonymous might not agree with it, doesnt mean Anonymous didnt do it.
Anonymous has been involved in an increasing number of high-profile hacks and cyber attacks against corporations like Visa, MasterCard and PayPal. They have also dipped their digital toes into geo-political battles in countries like Egypt and Iran.
With various government agencies hounding Sony for answers about the massive data breach of its networks, dont be surprised if they toss out a hefty chunk of change to get people talking. And, since it seems some already are spilling the beans, the identities of the PSN hackers could soon be made public.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/digitaltrends/20110507/tc_digitaltrends/sonymayofferrewardforpsnhackersheads
CZroe
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I didn't say that "jock-gamers" like Gran Turismo AND Madden, I'm just classifying them together as each a slightly different type of jock-gamer. GT isn't a sports game, but the fans think that gaming is cool for a completely different reason than traditional gamers. Before X-Play, Adam Sessler said that the PSX was what made gaming "cool" and opened it up to the unwashed masses. He's right, and I have no problem with that (expanding the market/appeal), but I do take issue with these people thinking that the gaming world revolves around Madden or Gran Turismo. IOW, racing sim fans care about GT but not gamers in general. Saying that the PSN outage would be much worse if it happened on GT's launch week than on MK9, SOCOM4, and Portal 2, is like saying that GT fans represent general gamers' concern more than Mortal Kombat, SOCOM, and Valve fans. It's a silly, wrong, and self-important view. "I like it. Lots of others do too. Because I care about it more, it must be more important!"
I never said I was better than a jock-gamer. In fact, I concede that this "changing of the guard" happened in the late '90s and it's been happening again since the 2004-2006 "hardcore" to casual shift. Neither group "owns" gaming but they can still wax nostalgic or complain about the newbies, especially when they behave as if the gaming world revolves around them.
The only edit I recall was correcting who I was quoting which was still easy to tell by following the quote chain (posting on a phone). I may have added the billboard bit. Ask a mod if you don't believe me.
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zerocool84
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Gran Turismo sells PS3`s, Portal 2 doesn't. It`s just how it is. GT5 is an infinitely bigger release than Portal 2. If for some reason you think it isn't well then I don't know what to say to you.
CZroe
Lifer
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You're comparing multi-platform to a platform exclusive. Portal 2 is most certainly the bigger title with more mass appeal. Yes, he did say "exclusive" but to ignore the PS3-push for Portal 2 just because it's multi-plat is silly. Also, SOCOM sells PS3s as well... just not as many as GT. Even multiplatform titles can sell systems better than some exclusives.
To put it into perspective, Portal 2 is the first multi-plat game also available on PC that I have EVER bought on PS3. Why? Because the developers prefer the PS3 version so much due to the Steam integration that they are out-right giving the PC version away along with it. Even if you don't think Portal 2 compares to GT, collectively with a big PS3 exclusive like SOCOM4 and another major multi-plat title like MK9, it certainly is comparable.
Pr0d1gy
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I agree, I know I sure as hell didn't spend over $700 on games, console, etc when GT5 came out. Hell I bought a new 3Dtv for this launch day which I didn't even include in my list here. You guys want to argue that GT5 was a much more important day but of the 5.5 million GT5 units sold in the first month only 1.25 million were in America and how many sales would they have lost if the network was down the day after it released? Socom and MK should be closing in on their first DLC launches right now and Socom would be getting it's second patch.
It's easy to sit here and argue sales figures but the truth is that April 19th was Christmas Day to many gamers. I know I got all 3 good games releasing that day, including multiple copies of Socom 4. I may not be the typical customer but I guarantee you I am the customer that any company wants and to dismiss my feelings about this situation is a joke. I would have much rather had this happen when GT5 released but Sony would never have left their servers down this long so soon after the Call of Dookie: Black Flops release day, and that is beginning to annoy the crap out of me.
I have to admit, I am very happy to hear Nintendo is releasing a 1080p 3D console with a real internet service because I am over it with regards to both Sony and Microsoft at this point. They have been gimping features and charging more and more with each successive console iteration, and the games that are released these days are like demos compared to the games we used to be handed.
KentState
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Which of these companies do you have stock in? Make it sound like I kick your dog.
Duder1no
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Sony: There Is No May 31 Deadline For PSN Restart
We've said several times that various reports about the PlayStation Network outage cannot be trusted. Now, Sony is saying the same thing.
Several days ago, Bloomberg reported a date for the full restart PSN services: May 31. This caused the Internet to erupt in a series of false assumptions and yet another round of Sony hatred, but not only were the words "full restart" and "unchanged" ignored, but there was another problem. The information wasn't accurate. According to Sony Sr. Director of Corporate Communications, Patrick Seybold, there is no such date in place. As of now, there is no new information pointing towards a delay and the confusion came in the Bloomberg interpretation of Sony spokesman Shigenori Yoshida's words.
It seems he said the company's goal was to "restore the service in May," which prompted Bloomberg to put a May 31 date in their headline. Hence, it was widely thought to be a deadline, and some erroneously began to believe nothing - not even online play - would be up and running until the last day of the month. While it's true that it's taking a little longer than initially estimated, any articles proclaiming May 31 to be of any real relevance are incorrect. As Seybold said:
"I agree. Trying to clean it all up now."
Gotta love headline writing for the sake of attention.
http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/9042.html
We've said several times that various reports about the PlayStation Network outage cannot be trusted. Now, Sony is saying the same thing.
Several days ago, Bloomberg reported a date for the full restart PSN services: May 31. This caused the Internet to erupt in a series of false assumptions and yet another round of Sony hatred, but not only were the words "full restart" and "unchanged" ignored, but there was another problem. The information wasn't accurate. According to Sony Sr. Director of Corporate Communications, Patrick Seybold, there is no such date in place. As of now, there is no new information pointing towards a delay and the confusion came in the Bloomberg interpretation of Sony spokesman Shigenori Yoshida's words.
It seems he said the company's goal was to "restore the service in May," which prompted Bloomberg to put a May 31 date in their headline. Hence, it was widely thought to be a deadline, and some erroneously began to believe nothing - not even online play - would be up and running until the last day of the month. While it's true that it's taking a little longer than initially estimated, any articles proclaiming May 31 to be of any real relevance are incorrect. As Seybold said:
"I agree. Trying to clean it all up now."
Gotta love headline writing for the sake of attention.
http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/9042.html
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In other words, "That Sony representative who told Bloomberg about the May 31 date said something that we didn't want to get out."
Eh... the one thing that's becoming clearer as time goes on and PSN remains down is that Sony is way out of their depth here. Pick any day in the history of PSN for this to have happened, and it wouldn't be any different. Sony would've been caught with their pants down, and completely unprepared to deal with the problem in a timely manner.
Macamus Prime
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Would this be considered "worse" than the Red Ring Of Death?
Granted, RRoD didn't even allow you to play offline - making your system dead in the water entirely. But, it was addressed and handled (replace systems in a timely manner). Warranties were extended. And now, it seems to be a thing of the past. Also, it didn't affect the entire player base like the PSN downtime is.
Personally, I don't mind. I haven't played my PS3 in a while. I am getting Killzone 3 and hitting the multiplayer scene.
On a related note,... just how fucking big will the system update be when they do get PSN up and running again??
Granted, RRoD didn't even allow you to play offline - making your system dead in the water entirely. But, it was addressed and handled (replace systems in a timely manner). Warranties were extended. And now, it seems to be a thing of the past. Also, it didn't affect the entire player base like the PSN downtime is.
Personally, I don't mind. I haven't played my PS3 in a while. I am getting Killzone 3 and hitting the multiplayer scene.
On a related note,... just how fucking big will the system update be when they do get PSN up and running again??
blurredvision
Lifer
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If you insisted on comparing the PSN outage to the RROD debacle, you could say that the RROD was worse, since you were typically without a console for a month or more, and many people had multiple RRODs, resulting in even more downtime. At least with the PSN outage, you can still play games. Hard to do that with a 360 when Microsoft had the entire console.
Macamus Prime
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Hey, remember when I said this:
Granted, RRoD didn't even allow you to play offline - making your system dead in the water entirely.
So, it's not even "could",... I actually did.
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