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[fskimospy]

Ask her. She's the one who said it.

When did she say this?

 

[qliveur]

When did she say this?

Are you saying you don't remember this? There was quite the buzz about it.

Early last year would be my best guess.

 

[brycejones]

Are you saying you don't remember this? There was quite the buzz about it.

Early last year would be my best guess.

And what came to light after that?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Da !@#$?!

Republicans are wholesale corrupt. NOTHING was going to change the outcome. NOTHING.

The only choice Pelosi had was whether to comit to the public specticale of impeachment. I'm not really sure why Democrats did it, but they did. Wish they could tell us the truth behind their actions. Probably for public record, for the world and history at large to know exactly what happened and who allowed it to happen. Hint, it isn't us. It isn't Pelosi.

The fault of this outcome is 100% on Republicans looking at an Evil SOB, and deciding that they too shall burn in the fires of hell along side him.

Then we no longer live in a republic and have done little in comparison to what was required. Naturally the Republicans would have sided with Trump but why did we have to have this done by Christmas? There were things still unfolding of significance.

Business as usual and let's forget this whole thing isn't what I had hoped for but am not surprised at.

So Trump and the GOP wins and he can seek all the help from Putin and commit whatever he deems neccessary along those lines if he sees his election as in the national interest, but we did have things wrapped up by Christmas.

 

[qliveur]

And what came to light after that?

The results speak for themselves.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Naturally the Republicans would have sided with Trump but why did we have to have this done by Christmas? There were things still unfolding of significance.

Oh please. No matter what Pelosi did there'd be 'a problem' with it. Shit, one of the defense team members already made a complaint about how 'long' she held onto the impeachment before sending it over! There's zero way this could have been handled that wouldn't have been picked apart by Republicans, Trump's defense team, and apparently you, so thanks for letting us know where you stand on the matter.

 

[fskimospy]

Are you saying you don't remember this? There was quite the buzz about it.

Early last year would be my best guess.

So in other words when an entirely separate set of facts existed. Regardless we are talking about your statement it was a mistake, not hers.

 

[fskimospy]

The results speak for themselves.

The results seem fine, what’s your issue with them?

 

[VRAMdemon]

I think one has only to look at John Bolton to see what happens to anyone who designs to turn their back on the king.

Bolton was once beloved among conservatives. But as soon as he crossed Trump, as soon as he dared suggest that what Trump was doing was not legal and against constitutional norms, they turned on him with extreme prejudice, essentially throwing him to the wolves. You have people saying that this guy was a closet-liberal all along, which in the circles he runs in is the equivalent to calling one's mother a whore.

So, if you've spent a lifetime building up a reputation, building up influence within the conservative movement, it's hard to stomach throwing all that away - and for what? To lash out against a guy who you may find to be a personally detestable liar, but is also pushing policies that you're largely in agreement with, and that many of your constituents are in agreement with.

This is what's been happening to Bolton over the past few days. And a few days is all it took - when you're in a cult, and someone's outcast, everybody's opinion of him turns on a dime. Bolton's been an arch-conservative for decades, but that didn't save him. He's anathema now. The entire Republican party is attempting a radical transformation of American political culture and it begins with the death of truth.

And it’s not just about money. We have seen numerous retiring Rs talk warily - sometimes fearfully - about the “cult” of Trump supporters back home. They worry about harassment of their families, loss of standing in local communities if they stray from the cult. But still: they're flunking one of the biggest tests of their constitutional duties. By running for Congress, they had to know that they would face choices between doing the politically easy thing and doing the right thing, and they ran anyway.

In the eyes of his own people, he's done something that's more satisfying than any conceivable policy on immigration, taxes, trade, or anything else. He causes liberal tears. That's one campaign promise that he definitely delivered on, in fact, he was delivering on it before he was even elected. His base absolutely eats this up. I've heard it over and over from Trump supporters: "I love how he absolutely causes the left to melt down!" It's entertainment to them, just as much as watching football or a Netflix series or listening to music.

Many Republicans exist in a social world where criticizing the cult of Donald Trump is an act of cultural treason.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Oh please. No matter what Pelosi did there'd be 'a problem' with it. Shit, one of the defense team members already made a complaint about how 'long' she held onto the impeachment before sending it over! There's zero way this could have been handled that wouldn't have been picked apart by Republicans, Trump's defense team, and apparently you, so thanks for letting us know where you stand on the matter.

She held onto the impeachment after things were wrapped up so the complaint wasn't about how long the House took in investigating. Still, if you are satisfied with the state of things that is your right but I do not have to toe that line. I believe that a proportional but legal response to the Republicans was warranted however that is not what happened.

Yes, I'll still vote for a Dem as milquetoast as I find them and encourage others to do so and if anyone says our forum is going to throw the election for Trump? I disagree with that too.

 

[qliveur]

So in other words when an entirely separate set of facts existed. Regardless we are talking about your statement it was a mistake, not hers.

No, we're not. You are.

The results seem fine, what’s your issue with them?

Other than it being a complete waste of time and money that was doomed to fail from the start, none.

 

[ch33zw1z]

No, we're not. You are.

Other than it being a complete waste of time and money that was doomed to fail from the start, none.

Conservatives concerned with spending money on these types of things? Haha, ok

Shit, conservatives double dog dared liberals just to find evidence that would support it, well...obviously that still wasn't good enough.

 

[UNCjigga]

The only money Republicans seemed to be concerned about is the money doled out by the Super PACs and special interest groups that tell them what to do under threat of being defunded. Trump and McConnell are quite adept at controlling which members of their caucus get access to these funds. God forbid Republicans might actually have to rely on individual donations and have to answer to voters.

 

[pcgeek11]

Show me where I said I was or wasn't. I'll wait.

I'll help you.

You don't "seem" to be concerned.

I didn't say that you said anything.

 

[fskimospy]

No, we're not. You are.

I have to say ‘I’m not talking about the things I say’ is a new one to me, lol. Did you think this through?

Other than it being a complete waste of time and money that was doomed to fail from the start, none.

What money did it waste? Everyone involved is salaried. What productive activities should the house have engaged in instead?

 

[brycejones]

No, we're not. You are.

Other than it being a complete waste of time and money that was doomed to fail from the start, none.

LOL

 

[qliveur]

I have to say ‘I’m not talking about the things I say’ is a new one to me, lol. Did you think this through?

Please post where I said what you're claiming I said.

What money did it waste? Everyone involved is salaried. What productive activities should the house have engaged in instead?

IDK, lawmaking, perhaps?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Please post where I said what you're claiming I said.

IDK, lawmaking, perhaps?

making laws isn't the ONLY job of the house. Besides, not like Mitch would allow a floor vote on anything that's a major democratic priority

 

[fskimospy]

Please post where I said what you're claiming I said.

You clearly indicated that you agreed impeachment was a bad idea.

IDK, lawmaking, perhaps?

Exactly what laws that Democrats would like do you think the House should pass that you think would make it through the Senate and Trump? Be specific.

I always find this silly idea amusing, that if only Congress stopped wasting time with this stuff that they would be passing all sorts of laws. What fantasy world are you idiots living in?

 

[IronWing]

You clearly indicated that you agreed impeachment was a bad idea.


Exactly what laws that Democrats would like do you think the House should pass that you think would make it through the Senate and Trump? Be specific.

I always find this silly idea amusing, that if only Congress stopped wasting time with this stuff that they would be passing all sorts of laws. What fantasy world are you idiots living in?

You mean like the hundreds of laws the House did pass that are sitting in Moscow Mitch's wastebasket under consideration by the Senate. Reality is that the House has been very productive, doing the job Americans sent them to Washington to do. The Senate Republicans, on the other hand, have been stacking the courts, appeasing Putin, and pocketing money from their oligarch masters.

 

[fskimospy]

You mean like the hundreds of laws the House did pass that are sitting in Moscow Mitch's wastebasket under consideration by the Senate.

Instead of impeaching Trump they should apparently pass a bunch more that would sit there and do nothing because otherwise they would be wasting time, hahaha.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'll help you.

You don't "seem" to be concerned.

I didn't say that you said anything.

Of course you can't, it was an inference on your part.

 

[qliveur]

You clearly indicated that you agreed impeachment was a bad idea.

The only thing I clearly indicated is that Pelosi should've stuck to her her original position.

Anything else is just you doing what you do best.

Exactly what laws that Democrats would like do you think the House should pass that you think would make it through the Senate and Trump? Be specific.

I always find this silly idea amusing, that if only Congress stopped wasting time with this stuff that they would be passing all sorts of laws. What fantasy world are you idiots living in?

Is your sarcasm detector broken?

Oh, and "Insults for me, but not for thee."

I love it.

 

[Bitek]

Then we no longer live in a republic and have done little in comparison to what was required. Naturally the Republicans would have sided with Trump but why did we have to have this done by Christmas? There were things still unfolding of significance.

Business as usual and let's forget this whole thing isn't what I had hoped for but am not surprised at.

So Trump and the GOP wins and he can seek all the help from Putin and commit whatever he deems neccessary along those lines if he sees his election as in the national interest, but we did have things wrapped up by Christmas.

These were my thoughts as well

I've laid them out previously in this thread, but in summary, I'm not sold on the urgent timetable this was put on.

Christmas was a completely arbitrary date and it's was completely foreseeable that new information would come out because so many threads were not fully explored.
That was Pelosi's strategy, and she'll be held accountable for it. The result in Nov will be the test.

Question is, where we go from here? Just walking away and "moving on to other business" would be another mistake. I have the feeling Pelosi wants to try and cut deals for some signed bills by Nov.

Giving Trump trade deals* (*that there House helped make better FYI!) is not what I'll be voting on in Nov.

We're in a fight for our democracy and the rule of law, and I want the only branch we have to fight like it or at least go down swinging.

Subpoena Parnas. Subpoena Bolton. Subpoena Deuche Bank. Get the fucking tax returns. Hack them and leak them if you have to, because Trump's shown that's what he'd do, will do, is doing.

Don't stop the investigations. Total war. Attack attack attack

 

[HomerJS]

Yes, censorship of the public domain no matter what (as long it benefits our party!). They will come for you and I next, that is how it has always played out in history.

In case what's left of your brain is unaware in mob trials witness identities are hidden and defendants still get a fair, constitutional proceeding.