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PSA: Don't piss off Kim Jung Un

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Brian Stirling said:
Well China must have thought that keeping NC as the rouge nation that it is would be a counter balance in the Korean peninsula that would tie up America and act as a mine field at there southern flank. At one level that makes sense for them, but they have nurtured a rogue state that now has nukes and the missiles capable of reaching far beyond there borders and it looks like China doesn't have much control over there client.

China may have figured NC would tie up the west but one has to question if perhaps China is the one being tied up...


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Yes the big little man likes to mix things up with his method of execution. Say, do you think they have any wood chippers?


Brian
 
Utah just submitted a bill to make this a legal form of execution in that state.

Sadly, is far more competent and humane than what OK does with its prisoners...
 
I almost posted a thread about this but I figured it would show up.

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I do wonder how many of these events have occurred in the way we are told. I absolutely believe the world would be better off if Kim and all in his top level of government were on the receiving end of a cruise missile strike, but the information from NK is not always accurate.
 
Blanky said:
I do wonder how many of these events have occurred in the way we are told. I absolutely believe the world would be better off if Kim and all in his top level of government were on the receiving end of a cruise missile strike, but the information from NK is not always accurate.
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Very interesting because I read your comment a while ago and was like your comment was interesting and thoughtful but I still assumed this incident was fully true. Now I just found this.

http://thediplomat.com/2015/05/what-happened-to-north-koreas-defense-minister/
 
If you're going to execute someone, that seems a bit more humane than executing them with bb guns.
 
I have no qualms with not intervening. Why would I want Americans to die to save a few random NKs? Why would China send in their own people to die to save random NK people? Humanitarian mission? No thanks. Let that country self implode.

You can't be an asshole to an entire nation forever. He will get his, from the inside I'm sure.
 
Subyman said:
I have no qualms with not intervening. Why would I want Americans to die to save a few random NKs? Why would China send in their own people to die to save random NK people? Humanitarian mission? No thanks. Let that country self implode.

You can't be an asshole to an entire nation forever. He will get his, from the inside I'm sure.
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I'd be inclined to agree with you were it not for one thing -- nukes!

I'm not saying we should go to war with them, not at all, but it does look like things are getting close to coming to a head. It is possible that there may be a military coup and that could be a good or very bad thing.


Brian
 
norseamd said:
Very interesting because I read your comment a while ago and was like your comment was interesting and thoughtful but I still assumed this incident was fully true. Now I just found this.

http://thediplomat.com/2015/05/what-happened-to-north-koreas-defense-minister/
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The problem with NK is that it's so evil that it's taken on an almost parody status, so I do think people are making things up, too. I am not saying this story is false. I have no idea, but other stories have been found to be untrue. People who have defected have good reason to hate the place and so they do sometimes tell lies. I generally prefer the truth, and there is plenty of truth about how awful NK is that nobody need make anything up. Example: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ag-survivor-admits-parts-of-story-untrue.html

The US shouldn't go to war with NK (or rather continue the one we're already at), but I would be interested in finding the results of a massive cruise missile attack during the next parade. Just wipe out a bunch of top level leadership. Would be a hellacious assassination, but that country is floundering badly, and the horrors it has enacted on its people have been consistent and wide scale.
 
Brian Stirling said:
I'd be inclined to agree with you were it not for one thing -- nukes!

I'm not saying we should go to war with them, not at all, but it does look like things are getting close to coming to a head. It is possible that there may be a military coup and that could be a good or very bad thing.


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The way NK is run, if their "dear leader" is usurped then the entire power structure would fail. If there is another power hungry military leader that wants to slot in to the position of power then it will take violence to control. The people are kept in line by violence and belief. If the "dear leader" is taken out, then belief is gone.

I'd think there would be a mass exodus to SK and a huge humanitarian disaster. It would be better to help them in a weakened state instead of right now when they still have a large active military.

If they ever used nukes, they would be wiped off the map. "Lucky" for us, the nuke would likely be aimed at SK, not the US.
 
Brian Stirling said:
I'd be inclined to agree with you were it not for one thing -- nukes!

I'm not saying we should go to war with them, not at all, but it does look like things are getting close to coming to a head. It is possible that there may be a military coup and that could be a good or very bad thing.
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Does involvement with nuclear despots involve liability?

Perhaps we keep our distance because we don't want to be held responsible for the atrocities of North Korea. Left on their own they may go quietly into the night... or they might implode / explode in glorious fashion and take a few million people with them.

So the act of doing nothing is a chance that millions don't have to die. Whereas our intervention would ensure such a result.
 
There isn't much I can think of in the way of involvement that would be advisable. If we went in militarily China would support there client and we'd have Korean War 2.0. If we tried to promote an overthrow it would likely be discovered and anyone we tried to work with would be AAA targets.

Sadly, about the only lever we have is to limit/prevent them from participating in the world economy (banking, trade, technology). We're doing about all we can.

The thing that's concerning is that things look to be getting out of control and there's no way to know how this will work out.


Brian
 
Subyman said:
The way NK is run, if their "dear leader" is usurped then the entire power structure would fail. If there is another power hungry military leader that wants to slot in to the position of power then it will take violence to control. The people are kept in line by violence and belief. If the "dear leader" is taken out, then belief is gone.

I'd think there would be a mass exodus to SK and a huge humanitarian disaster. It would be better to help them in a weakened state instead of right now when they still have a large active military.

If they ever used nukes, they would be wiped off the map. "Lucky" for us, the nuke would likely be aimed at SK, not the US.
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NK is already a humanitarian disaster. Actively, right now.
The thing that's concerning is that things look to be getting out of control
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I disagree. On the contrary NK appears very stable and is doing what it has always done, which is talk and very little else.

NK is exceptionally careful in its state-issued statements and its actions. It is not stupid and knows that if it pokes SK too much the USA will steam roll it and flatten its infrastructure inside of a week. Its bluster is just propaganda. The state apparatus exists to maintain the wealth of those at the very top and they have not jeopardized that in a very long time.

Its crazy statements and silly nonsense are only done to trick people who don't look past the cover page, because those people in large numbers still hold sway and are scared of NK. Case in point people who think NK could flatten Seoul with artillery. A complete fantasy. Once in a blue moon it attacks a fishing boat or fires a few shells. Never more. It's one huge bluff.
 
IndyColtsFan said:
What do you expect China to do exactly? They made their mistake 65 years ago when they crossed the Yalu. Had they stayed out of it, none of this would be happening today.

The plight of the North Korean people is very, very sad, but do you think it is worth a single drop of American (or, if you're not American, pick your nation) blood to "liberate" those people? I certainly don't.

China and the Soviet Union created the monster and the blood is on their hands as far as I am concerned.
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We need to step in and Liberate them, We Liberated the Iraqis and gave the freedom from Hussein.
 
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