PS4 vs Xbox One: Wall Street's take

[PricklyPete]

I acknowledge that I did not read through the thread, but I stand by my statement.

If you followed the market, either you would not have made this thread, or you would have stated the fact that it likely had nothing to do with the PS4 vs Xbox. Otherwise, if you knew this to be the case and purposefully omitted that fact, you are trolling.

So again, either your post was uninformed or you were purposefully omitting details to create an inflammatory environment.

After reading a bit more of the thread, I see it was just ignorance.

 

[Wildman107]

I acknowledge that I did not read through the thread, but I stand by my statement.

Isn't that ironic? IF you actually read the thread, THEN you would know you weren't contributing anything new.

Keep on flaming.

 

[smackababy]

Isn't that ironic? IF you actually read the thread, THEN you would know you weren't contributing anything new.

Keep on flaming.

What is ironic about it? He made the assumption that you were either uninformed or trolling. And he was right. Isn't it ironic your post was shown to be quite uninformed and you tried to switch to a "oh I knew that but was just trolling" rhetoric?

 

[Peter Nixeus]

I am wondering since the Sony Playstation 4 and Xbox One are using similar hardware - would games made for one console work on the other one?

Even though it may not due to software, using similar x86 chipsets may finally help lower game development and may also be a good thing for PC gamers as well so games can be compatible with all gaming formats including two major consoles.

Regardless for Wall St. wise, this would boost the overall bottom line for video game companies.

 

[Wildman107]

What is ironic about it? He made the assumption that you were either uninformed or trolling. And he was right. Isn't it ironic your post was shown to be quite uninformed and you tried to switch to a "oh I knew that but was just trolling" rhetoric?

What is ironic about it? Pete told me if I did my research I wouldn't have made the thread (unless I was trolling), however he didn't do his research by reading the thread to see that everything he was saying was already mentioned.

And your bit about "oh I knew that" tries to imply I was covering tracks. Talks of pressure being put on Sony to spin off some of their business was in the news last week. That was well before the Xbox conference.

If you look at the timing of the orginal post, it was posted while trading volume was increasing on Sony stock. There were no articles (at that moment), that recapped why the stock price spiked.

So, I dunno. You can come at me I guess. But in the moment, with the Xbox conference going on, the timing was ironic. The Xbox conference was CLEARLY not the reason for the stock price increase.

And to Pete - Sorry about the back and forth. It's pety. I shouldn't have responded.

 

[PricklyPete]

What is ironic about it? Pete told me if I did my research I wouldn't have made the thread (unless I was trolling), however he didn't do his research by reading the thread to see that everything he was saying was already mentioned.

And your bit about "oh I knew that" tries to imply I was covering tracks. Talks of pressure being put on Sony to spin off some of their business was in the news last week. That was well before the Xbox conference.

If you look at the timing of the orginal post, it was posted while trading volume was increasing on Sony stock. There were no articles (at that moment), that recapped why the stock price spiked.

So, I dunno. You can come at me I guess. But in the moment, with the Xbox conference going on, the timing was ironic. The Xbox conference was CLEARLY not the reason for the stock price increase.

And to Pete - Sorry about the back and forth. It's pety. I shouldn't have responded.

It's cool. My post came off more condescending than originally intended... So I understand.

 

[mmntech]

GameStop's stock took a nose dive when it was announced the Xbox One would make used games obsolete. That's far more interesting than what Sony and Microsoft's stock are doing.

 

[clok1966]

If you read anything on stocks and such.. BOTH SONY AND MS need to get rid of the consoles.. Neither has mad any money long term.. sure in a Year by year basis (5 years of losses and 1 year of gains is not good), but development time, previous year losses.. Sorry they didn't make SONY or MS money. Yes if you look at last year, maybe.. but again, look at total cost and dev and total made money.. huge loss for both. MS has internal memo's leaked all the time that the Games division needs to go.. Same with SONY after this gen (ps2 gen Sony made about 50% of its profits from the games division). The only real difference is MS had way more money to throw at it then Sony. They are both trying to be the last one at the party.. the problem is the party is now going handheld and tablet.. its going nich market on them.

besides who cares if we cant buy and sell used games? Dont kid yourselves, if MS does it, Sony will too, its not like EA is going to sell games for both systems if one does it and the other doesnt.. And while used games are "no big deal" to most.. they do drive prices down on NEW games too.. all the 'who cares" will change when SUPER SORTA OK GAME is $60 a year after release.. Soemthing you might have bought at $20.. but it wont be $20 for 2-3 years now.. no used games to drive the price down, you want it, just one place to get it..FULL PRICE!!!

 

[colonelciller]

I would consider a post-Sony press conference jump in stock price to be linked together, but a post-competitor press conference in which they basically say they'll have the must-have home entertainment purchase for Christmas 2013? I just don't see that kind of movement as a result for Sony, be it positive or negative.

riiiiiiiiiiiigggght
because those wall street types don't know that many consumers are going to be choosing between Microsoft's and Sony's gaming systems, and they don't understand that one doing poorly (due to moronic DRM) will mean that people will instead choose Sony.

mmmmmmhhhhmmmm okay:whiste:

 

[colonelciller]

GameStop's stock took a nose dive when it was announced the Xbox One would make used games obsolete. That's far more interesting than what Sony and Microsoft's stock are doing.

interesting, not "far more interesting".
it shows wall street is aware of the magnitude of the DRM lockdown policy that microsoft is implementing. We'll see what happens when/if Sony decides to crush the Xbone by announcing that they will not make you register every disk to your console and that they will not kill the 2nd hand gaming market.

 

[Fingolfin269]

We'll see what happens when/if Sony decides to crush the Xbone by announcing that they will not make you register every disk to your console and that they will not kill the 2nd hand gaming market.

That's not going to happen. There is absolutely no way that MS is going to be completely locked down if Sony comes out and says they are going to keep everything the same as we know it today. No way.

Of course I say that because I have faith that no company could be that stupid...

 

[smackababy]

That's not going to happen. There is absolutely no way that MS is going to be completely locked down if Sony comes out and says they are going to keep everything the same as we know it today. No way.

Of course I say that because I have faith that no company could be that stupid...

Of course it is not going to happen because Sony is going to say "It is up to the publishers" and every publisher is going to say "Used games are the devil!" and they will be locked down. Publishers care about money, not about how happy gamers are. We've already demonstrated we (gamers as a whole) will put up with a lot no matter how much we scream and fuss on the internet about it.

 

[dguy6789]

On Xbox One your XBL account interacts with your games exactly the same way as a Steam account does with Steam games. How anyone on here fails to understand that Microsoft is trying to make Xbox One as "Steam-like" as possible is beyond me and how anyone thinks it is a recipe for failure is doubly confusing. Xbox One will likely be a success for the very same reasons that the Xbox 360 and Steam are successful. Sony saying they will or will not allow used games won't make a difference in anything Microsoft does or how well the One does.

 

[clok1966]

On Xbox One your XBL account interacts with your games exactly the same way as a Steam account does with Steam games. How anyone on here fails to understand that Microsoft is trying to make Xbox One as "Steam-like" as possible is beyond me and how anyone thinks it is a recipe for failure is doubly confusing. Xbox One will likely be a success for the very same reasons that the Xbox 360 and Steam are successful. Sony saying they will or will not allow used games won't make a difference in anything Microsoft does or how well the One does.

taking best Buy, target, wallmart etc out of the equation when they helped you sell your units.. Changing a "standard" in the console world.. removing the ability to trade or sell games, removing the ability to take your console to a location with no net (lots of those that still have POWER) like basically every person who doesn't live within 10 miles of city.. you know those people who farm, etc.. live in the country..

gamestop and others came along and made a killing on the USED games market.. it has been around for ages.. but up till recently nobody took advantage of it like Gamestop (i will agree gamestop is screwing people left and right).. MS and Devs are just doing sour grapes.. "hey, they thought of it first, lets screw um, we want that money" does not make it right.. the record companies wanted to block MP3's but he people wouldn't have it.. the DVD companies wanted us to pay $75 a movies (doubtless most of you do not remember VHS prices at the start)and not allow rentals (frankly im more amazed people actually bought movies for $75+ back then, they did!).. the public didn't let it go... There was a time they didn't want schools selling used books.. again, didn't fly..


letting the company that produces a product we buy decide how we use it is pretty silly.. Of course they all want you to buy it a $60 and new its in there best interest, and they will shovel a load fo $hit to make you agree.. Imagine if Honda or Ford said we couldn't sell a car after buying it (we put countles man hours into developing that new cool thing-mo-bob, if we dont sell um all NEW how can we make back that money?).. After all I i sell it used, that means one person wont buy a new car. Tell me why a game is different? and if you want to say its not like a car.. its a intellectual property, we are not paying for the disc, but the "invisible" stuff on the disc.. then tell me why i can sell a Music CD, a book, a DVD, a Picture.. You dont buy a book for the value of the paper, you do for the reading, you don't buy a DVD movie for the plastic disc, you buy it for the images the viewing.. If i purchase the MONA LISA painting from whoever owns it (i would assume its not for sale) i could sell it for a $1 if i chose.. its not the value of the paint and canvas.. it the artist ability..

Sorry, if you want to drink the Koolaid the money and greed people want you to drink. please do.. just remember everybody wants a piece of that pie.. You wont be buying your next PC, you will be renting it, with an option to trade it and BUY a new full priced one.. why not the PC makers cant make money if i sell it used..

 

[zerocool84]

On Xbox One your XBL account interacts with your games exactly the same way as a Steam account does with Steam games. How anyone on here fails to understand that Microsoft is trying to make Xbox One as "Steam-like" as possible is beyond me and how anyone thinks it is a recipe for failure is doubly confusing. Xbox One will likely be a success for the very same reasons that the Xbox 360 and Steam are successful. Sony saying they will or will not allow used games won't make a difference in anything Microsoft does or how well the One does.

No because Microsoft is never going to have Steam like sales. Everything is still going to be same price. Steam, you only need to activate the game once online if the publisher doesn't require a constant connection, then you can play offline. Xbox One you have to online every day, every game, no exceptions, or else you can't even play any single player games. Microsoft is not here to make our lives easier, they're wanting every penny they can get which is why they are trying to get a cut from used game sells as well.

 

[American Gunner]

No because Microsoft is never going to have Steam like sales. Everything is still going to be same price. Steam, you only need to activate the game once online if the publisher doesn't require a constant connection, then you can play offline. Xbox One you have to online every day, every game, no exceptions, or else you can't even play any single player games. Microsoft is not here to make our lives easier, they're wanting every penny they can get which is why they are trying to get a cut from used game sells as well.

No one knows exactly how it will work, but everything I've heard is it isn't requiring a constant connection, just a quick check in once a day. I'm not saying it is right or wrong, just want to make sure people don't think they know how the online is going to work when no one outside of MS does.

 

[spamhunter]

To say this is a direct result of the Xbox One announcement is really a bit of a leap.

To say it isn't could be said to be one too.

 

[Drako]

To say it isn't could be said to be one too.

LOL, we got another one

Sony corp killing Sony Computer Entertainment would probably send Sony stock up 20%, but hey, don't let economics get in the way of wild speculation.

 

[RampantAndroid]

To say it isn't could be said to be one too.

No, actually it's not. It's saying there's doubt. I suggest you study up on logic (and economics.)

Let's leave the "who won" crap until these consoles go on sales (and we get more info at E3.)