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Proud Non Voters

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Arsynic

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I've been debating this over and over again, and I keep coming to the same conclusion:

If I don't vote, I'll have to pay taxes, grow old and die.

If I do vote, I'll have to pay taxes, grow old and die.

Maybe I have the problem of looking at the big picture way too much. Have fun in November. I hope Bush wins...maybe it will go overtime just like it did in 2000.
 
There's really no reason -not- to vote, other than the apathy it would take you from mailing in an abentee ballot or strolling into the polls.

You're given the right to have a small percentage in the say of how things are run. Why not chime in on the side that most fits your ideals?
 
Originally posted by: Arsynic
Originally posted by: halik
if you off yourself, you dont have to pay taxes.... maybe you should look into it
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No, I'll just wait it out.
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Well in that case you're being disrespectull to all those that have given their lives for you to have that right to begin with. Plus you're making everyone elses vote count more...
 
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: Arsynic
Originally posted by: halik
if you off yourself, you dont have to pay taxes.... maybe you should look into it
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No, I'll just wait it out.
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Well in that case you're being disrespectull to all those that have given their lives for you to have that right to begin with. Plus you're making everyone elses vote count more...
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And think of "Ol' Crazy Toes" Eddie down the street. He's voting. And the guy eats dirt. For the love all that's holy, he eats DIRT!




🙂
 
Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer
There's really no reason -not- to vote, other than the apathy it would take you from mailing in an abentee ballot or strolling into the polls.

You're given the right to have a small percentage in the say of how things are run. Why not chime in on the side that most fits your ideals?
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None of them fit my ideals. I just think it's fun to watch. I think I'm in the majority.
 
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: Arsynic
Originally posted by: halik
if you off yourself, you dont have to pay taxes.... maybe you should look into it
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No, I'll just wait it out.
Click to expand...

Well in that case you're being disrespectull to all those that have given their lives for you to have that right to begin with. Plus you're making everyone elses vote count more...
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Stop spouting American propaganda "Freedom isn't free...blah...blah." The United States was destined to be a world power just as it is destined to fall. There's nothing you or I can do to change that. That's my belief. Patriotism and nationalism in general is just a tool used to keep the masses in check. My eternal fate is not dependent on the efforts of men.
 
Stop spouting American propaganda "Freedom isn't free...blah...blah." The United States was destined to be a world power just as it is destined to fall. There's nothing you or I can do to change that. That's my belief. Patriotism and nationalism in general is just a tool used to keep the masses in check. My eternal fate is not dependent on the efforts of men.
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Go read a few biographies of the founders of this nation.

Remove George Washington from history and this country would not exist. He wasn't graced by God with the finest military mind in history - he lost a great many of his battles. He wasn't given a seasoned or powerful army - but his leadership and sincere belief in the cause along with the same from his men brought victory. He could have led a coup and been King George I. He could have given in to his poor health and great wishes and retired after one term of the presidency.

Remove Thomas Jefferson or John Adams and America is not what it is today.

Remove John Jay, Warren Burger, John Marshall, a dozen other judges and justices and we could be living under rule of force and not law.

There are a thousand thousand names of individual men who have changed America. Your excuse sucks.
 
Yes, but the way you vote might mean the diference between dying peacefully in your bed and dying in battle or in a conflagration.
 
Also, "patriotism and nationalism in general is just a tool used to keep the masses in check?" Come on, did you get that straight from Engels? How is patriotism a tool? Who is using this tool on whom? Patriotism is just a word for a specific type of pride. If the only time you feel pride is when others put it in you, I'm very sorry.
 
Originally posted by: Arsynic
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: Arsynic
Originally posted by: halik
if you off yourself, you dont have to pay taxes.... maybe you should look into it
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No, I'll just wait it out.
Click to expand...

Well in that case you're being disrespectull to all those that have given their lives for you to have that right to begin with. Plus you're making everyone elses vote count more...
Click to expand...
Stop spouting American propaganda "Freedom isn't free...blah...blah." The United States was destined to be a world power just as it is destined to fall. There's nothing you or I can do to change that. That's my belief. Patriotism and nationalism in general is just a tool used to keep the masses in check. My eternal fate is not dependent on the efforts of men.
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Angsty much?
 
Originally posted by: kage69
Those who don't vote forfeit their right to bitch (and be taken seriously anyway).
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Why? Because they choose not to partake in a patently fraudulent system? I respect people who choose not to vote. Voting makes the plutocrats in office think that what they are doing is legitimate. To them it legitimizes the theft, fraud and tyranny that the plutocrats engage in on a daily basis.
 
Originally posted by: oreagan
Also, "patriotism and nationalism in general is just a tool used to keep the masses in check?" Come on, did you get that straight from Engels? How is patriotism a tool? Who is using this tool on whom? Patriotism is just a word for a specific type of pride. If the only time you feel pride is when others put it in you, I'm very sorry.
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interesting post/responses & I'm glad you posted Arsynic.

reagan: obviously, you don't believe the government uses and reinforces the concept of "us vs. them" (/nationalism /patriotism) to build support for itself? I don't think you're going to get what Arsynic is saying if you don't get this.
 
Originally posted by: onelove
Originally posted by: oreagan
Also, "patriotism and nationalism in general is just a tool used to keep the masses in check?" Come on, did you get that straight from Engels? How is patriotism a tool? Who is using this tool on whom? Patriotism is just a word for a specific type of pride. If the only time you feel pride is when others put it in you, I'm very sorry.
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interesting post/responses & I'm glad you posted Arsynic.

reagan: obviously, you don't believe the government uses and reinforces the concept of "us vs. them" (/nationalism /patriotism) to build support for itself? I don't think you're going to get what Arsynic is saying if you don't get this.
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I don't think "the government" (also knows as the will of the people, chic moaning aside) tries to enforce an "us versus them" mentality. I think that people do so, I think that political parties do so from time to time, but the government is not defined by what either of the parties is doing at any given moment nor even what both parties do. America is bigger than that. The true threat to the United States is the entrenched "us vs. them" philosophy so many citizens have with the government. This idea is exactly what the original poster is patting himself on the back for having.
 
Originally posted by: Arsynic
I've been debating this over and over again, and I keep coming to the same conclusion:

If I don't vote, I'll have to pay taxes, grow old and die.

If I do vote, I'll have to pay taxes, grow old and die.

Maybe I have the problem of looking at the big picture way too much. Have fun in November. I hope Bush wins...maybe it will go overtime just like it did in 2000.
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How can you be proud to be an american when you don't vote? Seems ANTI-American for me, and disrespectful to the thousands of people that fought and died FOR that right.
 
Originally posted by: Arsynic
I've been debating this over and over again, and I keep coming to the same conclusion:

If I don't vote, I'll have to pay taxes, grow old and die.

If I do vote, I'll have to pay taxes, grow old and die.

Maybe I have the problem of looking at the big picture way too much. Have fun in November. I hope Bush wins...maybe it will go overtime just like it did in 2000.
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vote libertarian, help make the US a place where you can grow old and die without taxes
 
Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer
There's really no reason -not- to vote, other than the apathy it would take you from mailing in an abentee ballot or strolling into the polls.

You're given the right to have a small percentage in the say of how things are run. Why not chime in on the side that most fits your ideals?
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I'd bet he would be crying foul if he didn't have the right to vote.
 
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: kage69
Those who don't vote forfeit their right to bitch (and be taken seriously anyway).
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Why? Because they choose not to partake in a patently fraudulent system? I respect people who choose not to vote. Voting makes the plutocrats in office think that what they are doing is legitimate. To them it legitimizes the theft, fraud and tyranny that the plutocrats engage in on a daily basis.
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They have no right to complain about anything in their lives. They should not cry how "my life sucks because blah blah does sh*t for the country" or "I'm poor because of some f*g". They have no right to complain if they don't vote. If you want to change this country and make it a better place you HAVE to vote. You SHOULD vote. You SHOULD be greatful you even have that right and that we aren't living in a dicatorship. People like him make me sick and sad that I live in such a country where people take everything for granted and then spew bullsh*t because they are so ignorant.
 
I find voting to be a duty of the citizen. My vote may not matter much in the grand scheme of things but, our votes do matter. We are the government. Not Bush or Gore or Kerry or me or you... but, us. To sustain this way of life we must get away from elections being won by half the eligible voters. If every one eligible to vote voted the mandate for a platform of ideas would force the will of the people on the Congress and the Executive. It would force them to do as they promised.
To not vote is an abandonment of the ideals we espouse. I agree with the folks who say 'if you don't vote don't complain' If you don't vote you don't belong posting an opinion on related topics. I figure you've abdicated a responsibility and thereby lost the right to subsequently voice an opinion. IMO.
 
Originally posted by: cobalt
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: kage69
Those who don't vote forfeit their right to bitch (and be taken seriously anyway).
Click to expand...

Why? Because they choose not to partake in a patently fraudulent system? I respect people who choose not to vote. Voting makes the plutocrats in office think that what they are doing is legitimate. To them it legitimizes the theft, fraud and tyranny that the plutocrats engage in on a daily basis.
Click to expand...

They have no right to complain about anything in their lives. They should not cry how "my life sucks because blah blah does sh*t for the country" or "I'm poor because of some f*g". They have no right to complain if they don't vote. If you want to change this country and make it a better place you HAVE to vote. You SHOULD vote. You SHOULD be greatful you even have that right and that we aren't living in a dicatorship. People like him make me sick and sad that I live in such a country where people take everything for granted and then spew bullsh*t because they are so ignorant.
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I have a book for you to read.

Democracy The God That Failed.

Once again, I ask the question. Why should somebody engage in a fraudulent activity?
 
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: cobalt
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: kage69
Those who don't vote forfeit their right to bitch (and be taken seriously anyway).
Click to expand...

Why? Because they choose not to partake in a patently fraudulent system? I respect people who choose not to vote. Voting makes the plutocrats in office think that what they are doing is legitimate. To them it legitimizes the theft, fraud and tyranny that the plutocrats engage in on a daily basis.
Click to expand...

They have no right to complain about anything in their lives. They should not cry how "my life sucks because blah blah does sh*t for the country" or "I'm poor because of some f*g". They have no right to complain if they don't vote. If you want to change this country and make it a better place you HAVE to vote. You SHOULD vote. You SHOULD be greatful you even have that right and that we aren't living in a dicatorship. People like him make me sick and sad that I live in such a country where people take everything for granted and then spew bullsh*t because they are so ignorant.
Click to expand...

I have a book for you to read.

Democracy The God That Failed.

Once again, I ask the question. Why should somebody engage in a fraudulent activity?
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looks like a good read, however it dosen't look like a read worth 45 bucks
 
Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: cobalt
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: kage69
Those who don't vote forfeit their right to bitch (and be taken seriously anyway).
Click to expand...

Why? Because they choose not to partake in a patently fraudulent system? I respect people who choose not to vote. Voting makes the plutocrats in office think that what they are doing is legitimate. To them it legitimizes the theft, fraud and tyranny that the plutocrats engage in on a daily basis.
Click to expand...

They have no right to complain about anything in their lives. They should not cry how "my life sucks because blah blah does sh*t for the country" or "I'm poor because of some f*g". They have no right to complain if they don't vote. If you want to change this country and make it a better place you HAVE to vote. You SHOULD vote. You SHOULD be greatful you even have that right and that we aren't living in a dicatorship. People like him make me sick and sad that I live in such a country where people take everything for granted and then spew bullsh*t because they are so ignorant.
Click to expand...

I have a book for you to read.

Democracy The God That Failed.

Once again, I ask the question. Why should somebody engage in a fraudulent activity?
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looks like a good read, however it dosen't look like a read worth 45 bucks
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You can get it used for about 20 bucks. In any event, here is another one, for free download.

Bureaucracy
 
Originally posted by: LunarRay
I find voting to be a duty of the citizen. My vote may not matter much in the grand scheme of things but, our votes do matter. We are the government. Not Bush or Gore or Kerry or me or you... but, us. To sustain this way of life we must get away from elections being won by half the eligible voters. If every one eligible to vote voted the mandate for a platform of ideas would force the will of the people on the Congress and the Executive. It would force them to do as they promised.
To not vote is an abandonment of the ideals we espouse. I agree with the folks who say 'if you don't vote don't complain' If you don't vote you don't belong posting an opinion on related topics. I figure you've abdicated a responsibility and thereby lost the right to subsequently voice an opinion. IMO.
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do you really think that if i would have voted for Bush he would have kept good on his promises like the " nation-building" and "not the worlds policemen" rhetoric? granted, i did favor Bush in the last election and i didn't bother to vote as my states electoral votes were locked for him anyway, but do you really think that voteing would have changed anything? i don't buy it.
 
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