Protests in Iran, Amazing Video Shows Iranian Protesters Storming Gallows

[Robor]

Hard to be in hands of bankers, mostly Jewish Bankers, and Muslim at same time.

Unfortunately our entire government is controlled by those who have influence (money). We just get to bitch about it. :\

 

[Zebo]

I'm surprised this thread don't get more play. Very disappointed in liberals. Do they know the great Iranian Cyrus the Great King of Persia presented the world with the first declaration of Human Rights we all emulate? Do they know about Persians great history in math science and advancing the world before that evil retrograde religion took hold? Iranian people have a wonderful open loving culture. Some of the most wonderful, intelligent and educated people I have ever met were Iranians. They openly seek western ideas and science. This is why there is a crack down on them and it must be stopped, but all I hear is nothing from West. Sad.

 

[Generator]

The best thing an American can do for Iranians is give them your cell phone. A good one, with camera functions if possible. These little devices will be the downfall of the current leadership. I suppose they could ban technology, but they already ban women's rights...I don't think Iran can afford to be so primitive any longer.

 

[werepossum]

I'm surprised this thread don't get more play. Very disappointed in liberals. Do they know the great Iranian Cyrus the Great King of Persia presented the world with the first declaration of Human Rights we all emulate? Do they know about Persians great history in math science and advancing the world before that evil retrograde religion took hold? Iranian people have a wonderful open loving culture. Some of the most wonderful, intelligent and educated people I have ever met were Iranians. They openly seek western ideas and science. This is why there is a crack down on them and it must be stopped, but all I hear is nothing from West. Sad.

That was the Great King Billy Ray Cyrus, who also invented the Iranian mullet.

I would love to see Iran become a representative democratic republic; I think most Westerners would. But China and Europe are not going to agree to sanctions that stop the flow of Iranian oil, and the US, using no Iranian oil and selling no products to Iran, can do little but issue empty words. Nor will we stringently press them to do so, for that would raise the cost of the Saudi, Canadian and Mexican oil we import. Even if they would, Islamic governments are quite happy with their subjects living in abject squalor (helps keep down Western influences) so I'm not sure that would help overturn the government anyway. We could help smuggle guns, and probably should, but considering the country is Islamic there's probably a better chance of merely switching mullahs than of obtaining a society even as Westernized as Iraq.

I knew a very nice, very smart Iranian guy in college, although he told everyone he was from Jordan because the Iranian Revolution and hostage taking had just occurred and he feared repercussions. Only Iranian I've ever known. From what I've seen they are quite intelligent people in general, just under oppressive rule for, oh, ever.

 

[Schadenfroh]

The best thing an American can do for Iranians is give them your cell phone. A good one, with camera functions if possible.

It would need to be a satellite phone, it is easy to shutdown cell phone towers. Iran has done it in the past to disrupt dissident communication. Since their government regulates internet access so heavily, they also were able to block their citizens use of YouTube and social networking sites.

http://thesecretsofvancouver.com/wo...phones-twitter-youtube-and-facebook/activists

We could smuggle resources into Iran to arm (and possibly train) the dissidents (something Iran is suspected of doing for insurgents in Iraq), but that would likely create more problems than it would solve. I do support the US making use of "passive" methods to aid dissidents in hostile countries, like this:
http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2008...nding-to-breach-china-censorship-on-internet/

The newly approved budget for the U.S. State Department includes $15 million for developing “anti-censorship tools and services” which could help Internet users breach electronic firewalls set up by China, Iran and other “closed societies.”

 

[DucatiMonster696]

The people have no guns. All the guns are in RGs hands and they torture, round up undesirables, and kill by most inhumane way possible. You know very little how a small population of militants can control a population for a very long time. Try looking back at Pol pot & Khmer Rouge, Hitler & SA, Mulla Omar & Taliban for just a few examples.

Gun control FTW !!! Or should it be FTL??? There was a reason why the founding fathers of this nation gave the people the right to bare arms.

 

[Craig234]

The people have no guns. All the guns are in RGs hands and they torture, round up undesirables, and kill by most inhumane way possible. You know very little how a small population of militants can control a population for a very long time. Try looking back at Pol pot & Khmer Rouge, Hitler & SA, Mulla Omar & Taliban for just a few examples.

Fair enough, but you left off some US-backed tyrants, including the obvious, the Shah.

 

[Jaskalas]

Yep. I have several Iranian classmates/colleagues/friends who have said that the whole election thing is still going on, despite the fact that it isn't covered here anymore.

That is rather amazing. To have Iran developing nukes while facing civil unrest as it sits between Iraq and Afghanistan and we've been silent. Damn our entertainment media.

 

[ViviTheMage]

That is rather amazing. To have Iran developing nukes while facing civil unrest as it sits between Iraq and Afghanistan and we've been silent. Damn our entertainment media.

scary!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Right now we cannot help Iran. The best thing we can do is sit back because we'll probably screw it up. Unfortunately the previous administration had as good a grasp of the political situation there as the current people in power have about health care, and just about as convinced they are/were right.

There's really no one we can back, and few who would trust us if we tried. Once this is over then maybe we can approach them. We'll see.

 

[0marTheZealot]

The last time the West meddled with Iran, they deposed the democratic government and installed a ruthless dictator.

The best thing to do is let this thing take it's course. Chances are that the Middle East will be fundamentally changed in the next 30 years. The only thing the US should do is stop funding and supporting the dictatorships in the Middle East. Then the will of the people will speak soon enough.

 

[Sinsear]

Every dead Iranian = 1 less enemy.

 

[cliftonite]

I think it was a completely VALID point. During the last Iranian slaughter Obama sat back and did NOTHING. I suspect he will do the same again. Once again people fighting for freedom will get ignored by our President. Don't want to upset the Muslim's.. Any bets on if we get any statement from Obama on this in the next few days? I suspect not.. we don't want to interupt his vacation or anything.

Please tell me what you or a Republican president would do in such a situation. Of course if Obama was doing something about it you would be bitching about the costs $$$$ of such actions.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Please tell me what you or a Republican president would do in such a situation. Of course if Obama was doing something about it you would be bitching about the costs $$$$ of such actions.

Don't worry Obama will continue to do nothing because he is the great appeaser.

 

[JSt0rm]

Don't worry Obama will continue to do nothing because he is the great appeaser.

How has he appeased Iran? please inform us.

 

[Aegeon]

For the record, Obama did personally come out and condemn the Iranian government and express support for the protesters today.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/28/iran.protest.reaction/

 

[DucatiMonster696]

How has he appeased Iran? please inform us.

The fact that he was proven completely wrong with his notion that somehow we could have a open dialogue with such a nation and its gorup of extremist leaders showed his hand as a appeaser. His weak hearted support for the opposition in Iran was also another sign of his inability to lead on the world stage without pandering to the PC crowd.

 

[Zebo]

Every dead Iranian = 1 less enemy.

Iranians have far more balls than complacent Americans despite the fact that the government there has been shooting people, has arrested and tortured people, despite the fact that the Iranian population does not enjoy a Second Amendment, and thus, is forced to fight a shoot to kill government with rocks and clubs, they are still taking it to the streets demanding justice.

 

[manowar821]

If you're dealing with fascist zealots, fight them in their own game. The best part about this is that there are far more protesters than pigs, so give each protester a gun.

Why have patience with fascists?

 

[ProfJohn]

Fair enough, but you left off some US-backed tyrants, including the obvious, the Shah.

I am thinking the people of Iran would take the Shah in a heartbeat over their current regime.

The Shah got in trouble with Jimmy Carter because he had hundreds of political prisoner which Carter thought was awful. Of course the first thing the Ayatollah did was execute all of the Shah's prisoners.

 

[Zebo]

Fair enough, but you left off some US-backed tyrants, including the obvious, the Shah.

I brought up Shah/Savak early on in this thread in relation to controlling populace. Besides I don't try and find a reason bash America with every post like some.

US and Anglo had some merit in their choice after Mosaddegh nationalized US/anglo assets and development of Irans fields. Not saying I agree, US should have negotiated a fairer split from the start so nationalization wouldn't have been an option, but I don't totally disagree either to get our money/assets back.

 

[bob4432]

Bomb all government military installations and air drop 10 million Remington 300 winmags with 4x14 scopes and user manuals in Farsi. There are areas 100% resistive and dropping in large cities which are almost all resistive dissemination of arms will get to those who need them. The beauty if this round is it cuts though light armor up to 1000m and can even disable engines, not to mention RG troops.

too much work/education/trouble for that setup. aks by the crate dropped in - cheap, reliable and enough ability in that part of the world to make it look like anybody else around them could have done it. 300winmag points to the us, unless that is what you want.

add in some "special people" to train certain entities after the majority have "cleaned" the current gov some, give them something in 7.62x54 and they are g2g.

obama should extend a hand to the people but yet, will probably still keep extending a hand to the regime....:thumbsdown:

 

[Zorkorist]

There's an amazing 2003 Documentary on Iran called "Iran: Veiled Appearances." When you watch it, you immediately understand the people and their plite. I can't find it on youtube, and the publisher wants $390 for the DVD Fucking Iranian.

http://icarusfilms.com/new2003/iranv.html

It's got one of the best speeches I have ever heard. An Iranian leader, I think Khatami, calls out terrorism... but he's not calling out the U.S. when he does it, he is calling out his own Government/Theocracy. Absolutely amazing speech. He quotes a Persian Poet to end the speech... and then (paraphrased), "Säid Hajarian fought terror, (and lost his legs to Government torture), I fight terror, and I fight on!"

It's a beautiful video, and maybe even worth $400.

-John

 

[Zebo]

That was the Great King Billy Ray Cyrus, who also invented the Iranian mullet.

I would love to see Iran become a representative democratic republic; I think most Westerners would. But China and Europe are not going to agree to sanctions that stop the flow of Iranian oil, and the US, using no Iranian oil and selling no products to Iran, can do little but issue empty words. Nor will we stringently press them to do so, for that would raise the cost of the Saudi, Canadian and Mexican oil we import. Even if they would, Islamic governments are quite happy with their subjects living in abject squalor (helps keep down Western influences) so I'm not sure that would help overturn the government anyway. We could help smuggle guns, and probably should, but considering the country is Islamic there's probably a better chance of merely switching mullahs than of obtaining a society even as Westernized as Iraq.

I knew a very nice, very smart Iranian guy in college, although he told everyone he was from Jordan because the Iranian Revolution and hostage taking had just occurred and he feared repercussions. Only Iranian I've ever known. From what I've seen they are quite intelligent people in general, just under oppressive rule for, oh, ever.

I beg to differ. Iranians are not normal Muslims. First of all they had a long glorious history long before Islam took hold and it's still embraced and taught for the most part. Islam is not the be all end all most glorious times like in Arabia. Second to this day they are resentful about Arab supremacism e.g. Zoroastrians had to embrace Islam and they know it, Persian had to embrace the Arabic script and they know it. Their Persian names were replaced with Islamic ones and they know it. And they don't like it. If their is one Islamic group modernizing or calling for modernization while the rest of Islamic world falls further into fundamentalism it's Iranians and they deserve our full support. For the Islamic "gift" from far more primitive people in their eyes, the Arabs, often derogativly referred to as 'lizarrd eater Arabs' and 'barbarians', is a gift many wish would stop giving.

 

[Zebo]

too much work/education/trouble for that setup. aks by the crate dropped in - cheap, reliable and enough ability in that part of the world to make it look like anybody else around them could have done it. 300winmag points to the us, unless that is what you want.

add in some "special people" to train certain entities after the majority have "cleaned" the current gov some, give them something in 7.62x54 and they are g2g.

obama should extend a hand to the people but yet, will probably still keep extending a hand to the regime....:thumbsdown:

Bob don't even get me started on AK's, lets just say thank god our enemies use them