Protests in Iran, Amazing Video Shows Iranian Protesters Storming Gallows

[BuckNaked]

Video has some graphic elements...

http://www.freedomslighthouse.com/2009/12/amazing-video-shows-iranian-protesters.html

Here is truly amazing (and graphic) video of a crowd in Sirjan, Iran storming police to prevent the public execution of two people. The video shows the crowd storming the gallows and cutting down the bodies of two men in the process of being hanged. It shows the protesters being shot at by Iranian forces as they tried to get away with the men. The condition of the men cut down from the gallows is not clear. Reports indicate several protesters were killed in the shooting.

I would be curious to know more of the back story on the two being hanged... protestors arrested over the rigged elections?

And why isn't the press covering this more?

ETA: Additional reporting on clashes in Iran: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8431523.stm

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It's difficult for the press to cover that which it isn't allowed to see. If a particular news agency were to covertly film and report such events it risks being expelled, and then we'd be back to square one minus a news source.

What can practically be done?

 

[Arkaign]

Iran's regime will hopefully collapse in the manner of the Soviets. Although there have been very numerous injuries, deaths, and immoral detention of dissidents this past year, it's been relatively bloodless in comparison to some of history's more infamous nation-state revolutions. Let's hope both that the tide continues to turn, and that the violence is kept to a minimum.

The Iranian people, by and large, are decently educated and friendly towards the West. Their leadership under the Islamic elites is only showing the hypocrisy with the oppression of the very populace it is supposed to be giving freedom and opportunity to.

Rarely is a wiki article so cogent, but this paragraph says it well (regarding the Islamic revolution in Iran that brought about the current state) :

Not so unique but more intense is the dispute over the revolution's results. For some it was an era of heroism and sacrifice that brought forth nothing less than the nucleus of a world Islamic state — "a perfect model of splendid, humane, and divine life… for all the peoples of the world." On the other hand, some Iranians now believe that the revolution was a time when "for a few years we all lost our minds", and which "promised us heaven, but... created a hell on earth."

 

[Zebo]

Iran won't collapse. Unlike Savak who got tired of shooting civilians the Revolutionary Guard does not have that problem believing they are doing gods work. Furthermore the West is entirely impotent in aiding freedom fighters covertly and overtly giving Iran a free pass. Finally, at the UN, The All-Israel-All-The-Time-UN, there will be blockage of any punitive action on Iran by 53 member Muslim Block.

 

[Arkaign]

Shooting civilians doesn't prevent the collapse of a regime, if anything it usually accelerates the lack of trust and confidence in the system.

The answer, as it usually is with these things, is in the economics of the situation. Iran's oil is declining precipitously each year, and it's rather doubtful that the people will continue to support a repressive regime as things continue to deteriorate.

Of course, an emerging energy crisis will test all of us. It's just math and fact that larger and larger populations demand more and more oil, for just about everything, and that with easily accessible reserves dwindling, there will be more competition and fighting over control of the remaining resources.

Iran energy analysis :

http://www.eoearth.org/article/Energy_profile_of_Iran

 

[Fear No Evil]

Obama should wait a month before condemning this again.

 

[Zebo]

Shooting civilians doesn't prevent the collapse of a regime, if anything it usually accelerates the lack of trust and confidence in the system.

The answer, as it usually is with these things, is in the economics of the situation. Iran's oil is declining precipitously each year, and it's rather doubtful that the people will continue to support a repressive regime as things continue to deteriorate.

Of course, an emerging energy crisis will test all of us. It's just math and fact that larger and larger populations demand more and more oil, for just about everything, and that with easily accessible reserves dwindling, there will be more competition and fighting over control of the remaining resources.

Iran energy analysis :

http://www.eoearth.org/article/Energy_profile_of_Iran

The people have no guns. All the guns are in RGs hands and they torture, round up undesirables, and kill by most inhumane way possible. You know very little how a small population of militants can control a population for a very long time. Try looking back at Pol pot & Khmer Rouge, Hitler & SA, Mulla Omar & Taliban for just a few examples.

 

[Robor]

Obama should wait a month before condemning this again.

Congrats on once again proving you're the biggest asshole on this forum. :thumbsup:

 

[Zebo]

It's difficult for the press to cover that which it isn't allowed to see. If a particular news agency were to covertly film and report such events it risks being expelled, and then we'd be back to square one minus a news source.

What can practically be done?

Bomb all government military installations and air drop 10 million Remington 300 winmags with 4x14 scopes and user manuals in Farsi. There are areas 100% resistive and dropping in large cities which are almost all resistive dissemination of arms will get to those who need them. The beauty if this round is it cuts though light armor up to 1000m and can even disable engines, not to mention RG troops.

 

[Zebo]

Another good video from frontline on situation and human suffering in Iran

 

[silverpig]

Yep. I have several Iranian classmates/colleagues/friends who have said that the whole election thing is still going on, despite the fact that it isn't covered here anymore.

 

[alchemize]

Congrats on once again proving you're the biggest asshole on this forum. :thumbsup:

Cripes, I gotta step up my game :ninja:

 

[ProfJohn]

One of the key moments in the fall of East Germany's communist government was the decision by the military/secret police to not fire on growing crowds of protesters. The crowds had grown so big that the police were worried that a confrontation would result in a disaster with huge amount of blood shed.

I wonder if we will see a replay in Iran. Will these growing crowds of Iranians keep allowing the government to kill them slowly or will they turn their huge numbers against the police and fight back.

 

[Zebo]

One of the key moments in the fall of East Germany's communist government was the decision by the military/secret police to not fire on growing crowds of protesters. The crowds had grown so big that the police were worried that a confrontation would result in a disaster with huge amount of blood shed.

I wonder if we will see a replay in Iran. Will these growing crowds of Iranians keep allowing the government to kill them slowly or will they turn their huge numbers against the police and fight back.

With sticks and stones? Read my first post with 1.5 million well armed determined revolutionary guard ,who are willing to kill anyone, in the name of God, and doing Gods work, people of Iran are going to have a very hard time. Talk to some expats there are millions here you should be able to find one and they'll tell you same thing.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Congrats on once again proving you're the biggest asshole on this forum. :thumbsup:

I think it was a completely VALID point. During the last Iranian slaughter Obama sat back and did NOTHING. I suspect he will do the same again. Once again people fighting for freedom will get ignored by our President. Don't want to upset the Muslim's.. Any bets on if we get any statement from Obama on this in the next few days? I suspect not.. we don't want to interupt his vacation or anything.

 

[Aimster]

what a piece of sh it country.

 

[werepossum]

Cripes, I gotta step up my game :ninja:

LOL!

I too think Obama should have forcefully defended the protesters' right to free and fair elections, and that he should condemn these actions of the Iranian state. But since neither would have any measurable affect, I can't get too worked up about it. Smuggle in some Iraqi AK-47s, on the other hand . . .

Revolutions are SO much more entertaining when both sides are armed.

 

[Aegeon]

I think it was a completely VALID point. During the last Iranian slaughter Obama sat back and did NOTHING. I suspect he will do the same again. Once again people fighting for freedom will get ignored by our President. Don't want to upset the Muslim's.. Any bets on if we get any statement from Obama on this in the next few days? I suspect not.. we don't want to interupt his vacation or anything.

Of course the Obama administration already condemned Iran's latest actions earlier.

“We strongly condemn the violent and unjust suppression of civilians in Iran seeking to exercise their universal rights,” National Security Council spokesman Mike Hammer said in a statement. “Governing through fear and violence is never just.”

http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...aves-5-dead-prompts-u-s-censure-update1-.html

I suppose you can want a direct statement from the President, but it should be noted that such direct statements are not commonly made about everything, and the Obama administration is presumably going to want to carefully evaluate the exact situation to some degree before have Obama formally make a statement. It is true that if the protests look like they are overtly US backed that's going to realistically hurt the protesters, so there is some caution about high profile statements by the Presidential administration.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Of course the Obama administration already condemned Iran's latest actions earlier.


http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...aves-5-dead-prompts-u-s-censure-update1-.html

I suppose you can want a direct statement from the President, but it should be noted that such direct statements are not commonly made about everything, and the Obama administration is presumably going to want to carefully evaluate the exact situation to some degree before have Obama formally make a statement. It is true that if the protests look like they are overtly US backed that's going to realistically hurt the protesters, so there is some caution about high profile statements by the Presidential administration.

Well I stand corrected then, that statement is more than I expected out of this Administration. I would expect a formal statement from Obama if this escalates though.

 

[Aimster]

why does Obama have to make a statement? If the U.S had relations with the Iranian leadership then sure, Obama should make a statement.

Since the U.S has no contact with the leaders of Iran then the U.S has already been sending a clear message.

 

[Zebo]

Well I stand corrected then, that statement is more than I expected out of this Administration. I would expect a formal statement from Obama if this escalates though.

Doesn't mean shit though unless followed with action. There are millions of brave Iranians trying to stand up to fundi regime and Obama does nothing.

 

[Aegeon]

Doesn't mean shit though unless followed with action. There are millions of brave Iranians trying to stand up to fundi regime and Obama does nothing.

The obvious question is what the Obama administration should be specifically doing? Something like direct military action would actually realistically strong help the current Iranian regime and undermine the protesters right now.

 

[Zebo]

I thought I posted my best shot above without too much direct action. Anything stronger such as blockades or US troops on the ground is a loser.

 

[Robor]

I think it was a completely VALID point. During the last Iranian slaughter Obama sat back and did NOTHING. I suspect he will do the same again. Once again people fighting for freedom will get ignored by our President. Don't want to upset the Muslim's.. Any bets on if we get any statement from Obama on this in the next few days? I suspect not.. we don't want to interupt his vacation or anything.

WTF is it with you and your hard-on for Obama and muslims? Do you really think he's some sort of secret muslim? Don't you think he's pissing off some muslims sending more troops into Afghanistan to fight muslim extremists?

 

[Zebo]

Hard to be in hands of bankers, mostly Jewish Bankers, and Muslim at same time.