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pros and cons of bulk whey ??

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wahdangun

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ok I'm a newb in bodybuilding and I'm Don't have enough money to buy branded whey protein and in my country its really really expensive, so i just want to know what is the side effect using bulk whey protein like WPC80 ??
 
I hear there are nasty contaminates in some of the cheaper ones, heavy metals, etc... :/ Personally I wouldn't take the stuff if I couldn't get the good stuff.
 
wahdangun said:
are you sure ? can you give me a link, because i can't find anything about bulk whey on google,
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Yeah, cheap whey has been shown in research to have higher levels of heavy metals. Instead of buying and eating whey, eat a good, clean meal post workout. Chicken breast is more low risk than any protein supplement.
 
Beginner weight lifters don't need to consume ridiculous amounts of protein. Most people get enough from the food they eat (assuming you have a decent diet). Chicken and fish contain lots of protein. Nuts also contain a lot of protein. Adding whey into the mix when you don't need it just does more harm than good.
 
Alone said:
Beginner weight lifters don't need to consume ridiculous amounts of protein. Most people get enough from the food they eat (assuming you have a decent diet). Chicken and fish contain lots of protein. Nuts also contain a lot of protein. Adding whey into the mix when you don't need it just does more harm than good.
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but some expert said we need 1,5.*body weigh for muscle building? Is that true or its just a marketing spin?
 
Find the cheapest whey you can. For building up muscle you won't notice a difference in your results.
If you decide to compete in a bodybuilding show then you'll want to use a formula that's close to 100% whey to keep your simple carbs low for the last couple of months.

For building up even Inpro 34 will work great. It's what I currently use pre and post training.
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/wheyconcentrate3450lb.aspx

1 gram of complete protein per pound (roughly 2 grams per kilo) of body weight is a general guideline. Training days I use more, days off less - same for calories in general.
 
Eric62 said:
Find the cheapest whey you can. For building up muscle you won't notice a difference in your results.
If you decide to compete in a bodybuilding show then you'll want to use a formula that's close to 100% whey to keep your simple carbs low for the last couple of months.

For building up even Inpro 34 will work great. It's what I currently use pre and post training.
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/wheyconcentrate3450lb.aspx

1 gram of complete protein per pound (roughly 2 grams per kilo) of body weight is a general guideline. Training days I use more, days off less - same for calories in general.
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isn't simple carbs important for workout? Beceause sometimes I feel dizzy if I'm not drink chocolate milk during workout and I read in muscle insider that its doesn't matter, and I think if my carbs is low it will put more strain to my kidney and make the protein absorbtion difficult
 
Yes simple carbs (milk sugars) can be helpful before, and particularly after training. I currently depend on it.
For BB contests though you need to carb deplete which is IMO the only time to buy the very expensive pure whey.
There's a huge deference between the nutritional requirements for building muscle bulk, and the requirements to bring about extreme muscle definition needed for competition.
Personally I only compete in super heavyweight powerlifting, so everything I consume is for maximize strength and size gains.

Plenty of fluids, particularly clean water should be consumed through out the day.
I don't know much about your home land, but if you have annual blood work done you'll be able to foresee possible kidney and other problems before they get serious.

I believe your country has a diet high in fish - which is also a great source of complete protein. Takes a bit longer to digest than whey - which is why I concentrate my whey supplementation before and after training.
BTW: Nutritionally speaking chocolate milk is as good as regular milk. I personally add a chocolate flavored blend of whey/casein/soy protein to my 1/2 gallon of skim milk I drink daily with real meals. This protein is a higher priced EAS brand (but still relatively cheap, and I use it in smaller amounts) that has a slower release more suitable for use during real meals, and right before bedtime...
 
Eric62 said:
Yes simple carbs (milk sugars) can be helpful before, and particularly after training. I currently depend on it.
For BB contests though you need to carb deplete which is IMO the only time to buy the very expensive pure whey.
There's a huge deference between the nutritional requirements for building muscle bulk, and the requirements to bring about extreme muscle definition needed for competition.
Personally I only compete in super heavyweight powerlifting, so everything I consume is for maximize strength and size gains.

Plenty of fluids, particularly clean water should be consumed through out the day.
I don't know much about your home land, but if you have annual blood work done you'll be able to foresee possible kidney and other problems before they get serious.

I believe your country has a diet high in fish - which is also a great source of complete protein. Takes a bit longer to digest than whey - which is why I concentrate my whey supplementation before and after training.
BTW: Nutritionally speaking chocolate milk is as good as regular milk. I personally add a chocolate flavored blend of whey/casein/soy protein to my 1/2 gallon of skim milk I drink daily with real meals. This protein is a higher priced EAS brand (but still relatively cheap, and I use it in smaller amounts) that has a slower release more suitable for use during real meals, and right before bedtime...
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yup, I eat a lot of tuna, and some chicken in between, but I'm quite stuck now, even after I boost it with some chicken egg in the night before I sleep, thats why I ask about bulk whey, btw its a wpc80 a 100% whey that what the seller told me
 
wahdangun said:
isn't simple carbs important for workout? Beceause sometimes I feel dizzy if I'm not drink chocolate milk during workout and I read in muscle insider that its doesn't matter, and I think if my carbs is low it will put more strain to my kidney and make the protein absorbtion difficult
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If you're lifting, carbs are not even as close to important as overall calories and protein. Carbs are most important for those who do aerobic/endurance exercises - not those interested in bodybuilding. On top of that, carbs don't change how the kidney functions. Don't worry about that. It does change how amino acids are absorbed at certain times (post-workout), but not on an everyday basis.
 
What's a bag of 50lbs of WPC80 cost? I went to the Davis website, but they don't have the price posted.

If your progress is stalled it could be because of other factors. A lot of bodybuilding routines call for far more volume training and frequency then the average person can recover from.
You might be simply be over training?
 
SociallyChallenged said:
If you're lifting, carbs are not even as close to important as overall calories and protein. Carbs are most important for those who do aerobic/endurance exercises - not those interested in bodybuilding. On top of that, carbs don't change how the kidney functions. Don't worry about that. It does change how amino acids are absorbed at certain times (post-workout), but not on an everyday basis.
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wait a second, isn't simple carbs like sugar is the best source of calories ?

I just guessing that when the body is low on carbs it will use protein instead and the by product is nitrogen so it will make your kidney work harder to filter those excessive nitrogen from your blood

Eric62 said:
What's a bag of 50lbs of WPC80 cost? I went to the Davis website, but they don't have the price posted.

If your progress is stalled it could be because of other factors. A lot of bodybuilding routines call for far more volume training and frequency then the average person can recover from.
You might be simply be over training?
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for WPC80 its about $9/lb so for 50lb it will cost you $450 but the reseller said if you buy it in large quantity you will get discount and some free stuff,

btw there are cheaper one a WPC55 it will cost you $12/KG and if you buy 12Kg for $155 you will get free 1 kg

after work I usually go to the gym, so its mean 6 days a week for about 1,5 hour to 2 hour a day.

I don't know if that over training or not,
 
wahdangun said:
wait a second, isn't simple carbs like sugar is the best source of calories ?

I just guessing that when the body is low on carbs it will use protein instead and the by product is nitrogen so it will make your kidney work harder to filter those excessive nitrogen from your blood
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What? No, not at all. Carbs are the most available for the body to use, BUT if you're not very aerobically active, they tend to just get stored as fat, especially if you're in a caloric surplus.

You have to be literally starving for days before your body starts utilizing protein as an energy source via gluconeogenesis. If you're working out and you're taking in anywhere from 1.0-1.5g of protein per pound of lean body mass, you're not going to go anywhere near that. And yes, the nitrogen from amino acids is converted into urea (a nitrogen compound) and excreted by the kidneys. Your kidneys are meant to handle that. Unless you have a known renal issue though, that's not a dangerous load for the kidneys. Not even close.

It seems like you need to read up on nutrition, especially for bodybuilding, quite a bit. Check out bodybuilding.com. I rarely recommend it, but if you look around, you'll learn something about bulking and what's important for gaining muscle mass.
 
WOW. That's expensive protein IMO.

I'm old, but training 6 days a week would be WAY over training for me.
That's were I would look first to solve your stalled progress problem.

Just don't waste money on information! It's all available on the internet for free...
 
SociallyChallenged said:
What? No, not at all. Carbs are the most available for the body to use, BUT if you're not very aerobically active, they tend to just get stored as fat, especially if you're in a caloric surplus.

You have to be literally starving for days before your body starts utilizing protein as an energy source via gluconeogenesis. If you're working out and you're taking in anywhere from 1.0-1.5g of protein per pound of lean body mass, you're not going to go anywhere near that. And yes, the nitrogen from amino acids is converted into urea (a nitrogen compound) and excreted by the kidneys. Your kidneys are meant to handle that. Unless you have a known renal issue though, that's not a dangerous load for the kidneys. Not even close.

It seems like you need to read up on nutrition, especially for bodybuilding, quite a bit. Check out bodybuilding.com. I rarely recommend it, but if you look around, you'll learn something about bulking and what's important for gaining muscle mass.
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ok, thanks for the advice


Eric62 said:
WOW. That's expensive protein IMO.

I'm old, but training 6 days a week would be WAY over training for me.
That's were I would look first to solve your stalled progress problem.

Just don't waste money on information! It's all available on the internet for free...
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wow, its the cheapest whey I can found, btw what is the price in your country ?


hahaha, my GF always told me I was a lazy if I'm not go to the gym, so how much in a week I must training ?
 
My cheapest is $122 for 50 lbs + $5 shipping inside the US. But that's Inpro 34 - only 34% whey, the rest is milk sugar (link posted above). Works great for my size/strength building goals.
EAS brand of 100% Whey runs $30 for 6 lbs at Sams club (note: it's not really 100% whey). It also has it's place. The chocolate flavored whey added to skim milk helps me enjoy the 1/2 gallon + I drink everyday.

I train 3 times a week on a 4 day split = 9 or 10 days between major body parts. My system isn't for the aspiring bodybuilder.
Most other powerlifters train 4 days a week = 7 days between body parts.
Some bench press specialists only train 2.

I'd be glad to outline my program, but you'd probably be better off trying some form of 5x5 strength program. Add a few isolation movements to maintain joint stability, and for better muscle symmetry.

It's never how often you go to the gym. It's what you accomplish when you're there 🙂
 
Eric62 said:
My cheapest is $122 for 50 lbs + $5 shipping inside the US. But that's Inpro 34 - only 34% whey, the rest is milk sugar (link posted above). Works great for my size/strength building goals.
EAS brand of 100% Whey runs $30 for 6 lbs at Sams club (note: it's not really 100% whey). It also has it's place. The chocolate flavored whey added to skim milk helps me enjoy the 1/2 gallon + I drink everyday.

I train 3 times a week on a 4 day split = 9 or 10 days between major body parts. My system isn't for the aspiring bodybuilder.
Most other powerlifters train 4 days a week = 7 days between body parts.
Some bench press specialists only train 2.

I'd be glad to outline my program, but you'd probably be better off trying some form of 5x5 strength program. Add a few isolation movements to maintain joint stability, and for better muscle symmetry.

It's never how often you go to the gym. It's what you accomplish when you're there 🙂
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whoa thats explain why is so cheap, to be honest I'm afraid to buy WPC34 because I read its have a high amount of fat. but if you think its fine, then maybe I would try WPC34 also.

btw should I get 13lb of WPC34 for $30 or 5lb of WPC80 for $27??

and thanks for your advice, I really appreciate it
 
I almost always go with the cheapest.

If WPC34 is similar to my unflavored Inpro 34 it's not going to taste very good. I mix it with juice or energy drinks - lol.
 
Eric62 said:
I almost always go with the cheapest.

If WPC34 is similar to my unflavored Inpro 34 it's not going to taste very good. I mix it with juice or energy drinks - lol.
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ok, I will try the cheapest one,

btw how many table spoon per serving you use ?

yeah its really have horrible taste.
 
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