Proposed Law Forces Graffiti Removal

[Steeplerot]

Same reason I don't like people honking in a neighborhood I hate billboards, it's ugly and ruins the views....a blight on the urban community.

Clean up the gang graffitti and endless 40 oz and car ads, they all suck.

Let the people use the walls for expressing ideas..

Walking around day to day in this corporate culture is like trolling a new aol users inbox...

its horrible..

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
wait I forgot..in the neocon world everyone should live in gated communitys scared of anyone walking down their good white street in soulless crackerbox dumps like this


ugh.... suburbia is a bigger blight on the landscape then any nasty gang graffitti anytime.

Who gives a sh!t. I live in a city myself, not in some suburbia, and I am not a neocon. How can you stand yourself having the contradiction of living in a modern city and hating everything modern? You think that city built itself, just for your own personal amusement?


edit: This is supposed to be a free country. Let the people buy their own walls.

 

[Steeplerot]

cities were built by people not by corporations...(well at least not the part that people use day to day not counting the ugly ass downtown buildings)

People can do whatever they want with their wall, but don't bombard me with their stupid ads...

or they damn well should pay me to walk down the street...they pay tv channels to run their ads..

I do not stick a bullhorn out my window and advertise my nightclub 24/7

It is pollution no less then noise pollution...and really makes a place look cheap and sold out/run down.

sure if your passing in a car no biggie, but if you live there, it's nasty.

Not only that but all this crap encourages people to deface it anyway...more graffitti

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
too bad you know so little about graffitti, if you learn a bit about it you would see there is a whole lot more to then the ugly gang tags that are nothing less then a dog pissing on the wall.

:roll: not surprised..

There is art and there is the gang/junk.

Those that want to create the art should be able to obtain a venue to display it. When displayed properly; most will appreciate it and not complain.

The object of the thread is to remove the gang/junk crap on areas when/if the police can not prevent it from happening.

 

[Vic]

People can do whatever they want with their wall,

Yes, people can do whatever they want with their wall, but you cannot do whatever you want with their wall. How hard is this to understand?

The subject is about gang graffiti. Tag crap. You switch to billboards, then glorify graffiti by talking about murals. We're not talking about that. If a property owner wants to let artists paint murals on his walls, then of course he should be allowed. But we're talking about that, so try to keep you people-hating self-seeking politics out of this, eh?

 

[Steeplerot]

bs just becasue you own a wall does not mean the public has to be forced to read spam.

And the ones that block the view of the city itself with that crap deserve every bit of tagging people do over it...

It is straight up abuse of their owner rights and pissing all over the neighborhoods..

I had a place once that had a great view of the bay...one day some viacom truck comes out and puts up a bigass sign that made the whole area dark and blocked everything advertising colt45 in a neighborhood already plauged with problems with drinking...just for cash....screw that.

next thing you know people are selling crack under it in the shade...
Then the neighbors gardens all die from not enough light.


just one more example of how fvcked the free market out of control is...

 

[Vic]

Wow... victim of your own BS aren't ya?

 

[Steeplerot]

uhh yeah, I work for colt45....I have no problem with a sign on the side of a house or in front of a store...

but the billboards they slap up in front of residents windows and in front of historic buildings deserve to get ballon-paint bombed 100%.

Some things in life should not be for sale.

Let the kids paint some..not all graffitti is ugly and artists untalented.

they would get better too, and it's something positve for them to work on...

better then growing up under signs advertising some dumbass pair of jeans or 40oz's.

either way the kids are going to paint..this is a fact of life.

people have been painting on walls since caveman days.

how about for every square footage of resonably placed commercial billboard in a neighborhood, they set aside so much for local artists? I think that is more then fair.

Want corporate spam? you have to give back to the community also..

 

[Vic]

Who pays for it?

 

[Steeplerot]

the same person who let someone advertise the sign on the wall for money...who else?

you blight your neighborhood with a 20x20 sign you have to have room for local artwork too.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
the same person who let someone advertise the sign on the wall for money...who else?

you blight your neighborhood with a 20x20 sign you have to have room for local artwork too.

A user tax, like state parks, etc.

 

[Vic]

Ridiculous. I know you're not smart enough to figure this out, but this a blatant disregard of free speech and expression. You're basically saying, "If someone says something I don't like, then they have to pay for something to be said that I do like." In other words, a tyranny of your own personal sense of aestheticism.

 

[Steeplerot]

no, your logic is that if someone owns something then too bad we all have to suffer for his selfish decisions.

equal time, you force people to view something, you have to give back. or just keep getting your sh1t painted over...that's reality.

kids WILL paint regardless...just an idea to solve the problem for both and even make this country look like less of a commercial dump.

would help the graffitti problem a lot besides charging kids with felonies like los angeles county does.

 

[OutHouse]

Let the people use the walls for expressing ideas..

go buy a house and let all the graffiti artist paint all over it to express themselves.

so how i dont think you would reallly like paying 300K for somthing and have some punk kid put a can of spray paint to it. if you think that is ok, you are primo numero uno idiot.

bs just becasue you own a wall does not mean the public has to be forced to read spam.

ummm its their wall, who the fu*ck are you to tell them what or what not they can do with it. if you dont like it you commie, move to mother russia.

 

[Steeplerot]

just becasue you bought it does not mean you are in a space vacuum, you are being a idiot if you think you do not still have to share where you live with other people.

good and bad aspects...get your lazy ass out there and paint it again....that's life.

why do americans turn into whiney selfish b1tches whenever it comes to owning land and forget they are part of a community isolating themselves from their fellow amerian...that they sell themselves out to get into debt for anyway...

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Vic
Ridiculous. I know you're not smart enough to figure this out, but this a blatant disregard of free speech and expression. You're basically saying, "If someone says something I don't like, then they have to pay for something to be said that I do like." In other words, a tyranny of your own personal sense of aestheticism.

I don't see billboards as qualifying as free speech?? Maybe I'm off base on this? I do see this as an issue that is no big deal....until they put one up in your backyard,. so to speak.

 

[Vic]

Billboards are free speech. My city has been fighting them for years, and every time they have lost because of free speech. IIRC, it's gone all the way to the Supremes.

Graffiti is not free speech. The vandals don't own the wall. Like I said, your free speech rights don't include forcing the people to buy you the lecture hall. And they certainly don't include the destruction of your neighbor's property. How can you claim to love your "community" when all you're trying to do is screw your neighbor?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Vic
Billboards are free speech. My city has been fighting them for years, and every time they have lost because of free speech. IIRC, it's gone all the way to the Supremes.

Graffiti is not free speech. The vandals don't own the wall. Like I said, your free speech rights don't include forcing the people to buy you the lecture hall. And they certainly don't include the destruction of your neighbor's property. How can you claim to love your "community" when all you're trying to do is screw your neighbor?

:music:Sign, sign, everywhere a sign blocking out the scenery, blowing my mind:music:

I don't like billboards myself, but after thinking about it, if you let them prevent billboards, then the next step would be to prevent other things from going up that you don't want to look at.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Based on Steeplrot's logic, the gangs can "art" his vehicle and/or key it. The scratches are a form of free speech.

 

[1EZduzit]

I can see where Steeplrot is coming from. I know if they put up a billboard and wrecked my view I'd be PO'ed. A billboard isn't really the same as a TV commerical, a magazine ad, or even a pop up window. It's there all the time, and that would be annoying. Kind of like your mother telling you to drive safe every time you left the house.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The billboard complaint makes sense; However, the freedom to "art" up private walls should not exist. Once the walls of a business are fair game, then private homes and other property can also be "arted".

When you run out of paint, other tools could become acceptable.

 

[Tab]

Wow, this thread has about 50 replies over the issuse of this?

This is just the cops copping out of their own duty! It's not that hard to understand!

 

[Steeplerot]

Doesen't have to be tags and stuff..flyers for shows, meetings etc...people stuff

When people get a chance to do more then their name and lame sh1t like that

In what I have seen it leads to more art, better local artists (hey someone besides a teen kid might want to get up there too)

You neighborhood keeps in touch..the best way to deter crime also IMO.

Sure like i said, designated spots for..whatever..as long as someone won't puke seeing it or something..

craigslist is good, but flyers and stuff are very useful...art...sure if there is a good spot for a mural...but dont suck if you want to keep it there...

Which would be lorded over by the king of suckiness/non-suckiness to be passed onto a small ferret illegally smuggled into california..