Proposed Law Forces Graffiti Removal
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So what happens when they paint over it and the next day some gang member shows up with a 44 magnum and blows them away?
All the cops need is a few hidden cameras and a freshly painted wall! These city fellers aint too bright.
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this is true. it is not the owners "fault" that their house got hit. at the same time, if they are economically depressed area, can they afford the responsibility of taking care of the gang problem in the city? gang troubles are not simple and some of the responsibility should fall in the community that spawns them but i think that this is a superficial way to appear to make headway and for the authorities to bring about more trouble for the citizens than it would help.
edit: i do like the idea of a camera and a freshly painted wall with the sign "free bird seed" in front of it.
As long as these graffiti "artists" are allowed to deface property without being held accountable they'll just keep defacing property. Forcing property owners to deal with the problem will only give the grafitti vandals something to laugh about as they paint over the same property again.
Identify them, give them a toothbrush and some turpentine, and force them to clean grafitti throughout the city for eight hours every day as a form of community service.
Identify them, give them a toothbrush and some turpentine, and force them to clean grafitti throughout the city for eight hours every day as a form of community service.
Vic
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No, this is pass-the-buck crap by the Police. They do not properly enforce the laws against vandalism and then the punish the victim. Graffiti is an actual crime with real damages. Think if a law was passed forcing identity theft victims to pay off the fraudulent debts as quickly as possible -- or they get punished -- and no attempt is made to punish the identity thieves. What if your car was badly keyed and instead of looking for the culprit, the police told you that you had to get your car repainted within a certain time frame or else be punished? Where is the justice?
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Sounds good, first remove the billboards and endless barrage of corporate advertising, then you will see less tags.
I could care less about graffitti...I prefer it to a big cigarette ad or car advertisment...both of them are just background noise of the city and neither of them are legit IMO.
You leave it out there too long without painting, city fines you.....it's like not mowing your lawn, city style.
Personally I would like to see all walls in the city used for atrwork....let the people take their time so you don't get all these sloppy nasty crap with just someones name.
Murals are great and sometimes you can learn something from them or they can be just plain beautiful or sad.
For american arts I would really dig All commercial billboards in america for 1 month allowed to be painted on by whoever every year....equal time you know?
A break from consumer corporate culture for a bit...
I could care less about graffitti...I prefer it to a big cigarette ad or car advertisment...both of them are just background noise of the city and neither of them are legit IMO.
You leave it out there too long without painting, city fines you.....it's like not mowing your lawn, city style.
Personally I would like to see all walls in the city used for atrwork....let the people take their time so you don't get all these sloppy nasty crap with just someones name.
Murals are great and sometimes you can learn something from them or they can be just plain beautiful or sad.
For american arts I would really dig All commercial billboards in america for 1 month allowed to be painted on by whoever every year....equal time you know?
A break from consumer corporate culture for a bit...
Vic
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You are confused. While I don't like billboards (visual pollution), I recognize that the billboard is THEIR property and THEIR free speech right. In other words, they own it, and they have the free speech right to put there what they choose (within reason of course).
OTOH, graffitists are vandals. It is not their property to do anything with. It is not their forum for free speech (your free speech right does not extend so far that the public is required to buy you the lecture hall or pay for the publishing). It is someone else's property and right and grafitti represents a violation of the rights of another citizen (the property owner's). My rights end where yours begin and vice versa. That is the only foundation on which a civilized society can be established.
What graffitists do is no different than breaking out windows or keying cars, and IMO is up there close to mugging (due to the amount of actual physical damages). Would you want that type of crime to be committed against you? Then don't encourage it happening to someone else.
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Lifer
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Same can be said for the barrage of corporate advertising.
None of these companies are from my neighborhood they are intruding on my personal space just as much as graffitti.
Legit or not it's lame. I don't watch tv as many others don't for being sick of shallow advertisments.
Best way to solve this is just to paint over the corporate signs. Sooner or later they will get sick of repainting their stupid ads and return our scenery back to the people.
Walls are for the people, a blank wall is an untold story.
None of these companies are from my neighborhood they are intruding on my personal space just as much as graffitti.
Legit or not it's lame. I don't watch tv as many others don't for being sick of shallow advertisments.
Best way to solve this is just to paint over the corporate signs. Sooner or later they will get sick of repainting their stupid ads and return our scenery back to the people.
Walls are for the people, a blank wall is an untold story.
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Lifer
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Another advantage of banning cars from urban areas....
people in cars are the targeted market for these signs.
give kids and artists in community an outlet, graffitti will be diminished greatly.
people in cars are the targeted market for these signs.
give kids and artists in community an outlet, graffitti will be diminished greatly.
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Lifer
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civil liberties? whose? corporations? no thanks, they have 0% legitamcy in my eyes.
They can paint their own buildings...don't ruin my neighborhood with there visual spam..we have far too much of that in this country anyhow.
Let the community advertise and paint...society needs an outlet and graffitti is just another sign of the decay of a outlet of dissent..
Like I said before it's no diffrent then the lawn growing high in the 'burbs....
Your not going to stop your lawn from growing unless you pull it all up and replace it with someting artificial...no thanks.
I guess this doesen't get through to groups of people isolated who think of their house as some sacred ground noone can come near....paranoia...
Not reality in the city though, you have to share to a degree, and taking your lazy ass into the storage room grabbing the paint bucket every couple of weeks and painting for a few minutes is much better then mowing a lawn.
Besides I like the ones that have a message...the media is so screwed it's great to see what the people actually think....
They can paint their own buildings...don't ruin my neighborhood with there visual spam..we have far too much of that in this country anyhow.
Let the community advertise and paint...society needs an outlet and graffitti is just another sign of the decay of a outlet of dissent..
Like I said before it's no diffrent then the lawn growing high in the 'burbs....
Your not going to stop your lawn from growing unless you pull it all up and replace it with someting artificial...no thanks.
I guess this doesen't get through to groups of people isolated who think of their house as some sacred ground noone can come near....paranoia...
Not reality in the city though, you have to share to a degree, and taking your lazy ass into the storage room grabbing the paint bucket every couple of weeks and painting for a few minutes is much better then mowing a lawn.
Besides I like the ones that have a message...the media is so screwed it's great to see what the people actually think....
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Lifer
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Vic
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Corporations are entities made up of people, shareholders and employees. While you might think the corps themselves have no rights, what of the individuals that comprise it? Would you revoke their rights based upon your prejudices? It seems so.
As for your endorsement of graffiti, what of the single property owner who does not want his property defaced? Does he have no rights either, just your mob rule? It's not paranoia to seek to protect your property from damage or defacement. Shall I go to your house and piss on your things? It seems that to you, "sharing" is the infliction of your particular mob's opinions upon any individual who dares disagree with your mob.
Clearly you have a mob mentality, with no concept whatsoever of civil liberties. It seems that in your opinion, those who oppose you have no rights. Lovely idea of freedom you have. Freedom for you (and those who agree with you), but not for anyone else.
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Libbys will scream entrapment. You can not expect under-educate/priviledged ghetto kids who have to sell crack to pay for their BMWs to resist a blank wall.
They and their parents are not responsible for their actions. It is the fault of the system for providing such temptations.
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The police should have the responsiblity of enforcing the laws against such situations.
The business has the responbility of maintaining their property.
And the public has the responsibility of footing the cost of enforcement.
Without the ability to enforce the law, the law against vandals is toothless. (both at the police and court level).
The busines should not have to be responsible for the fault of the police/public, however, regretfully that becomes part of the cost of doing business.
However, the business should be able to prevent vandalism to the property to the same extent that the police have been authorized.
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Lifer
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I have no choice but to be bombarded by their idiotic items for sale...
no diffrent then graffitti excpet using that graffitti is art, granted just pretty sucky becasue people have no time to work on it.
bring the art into the neighborhoods dump the commercial graffitti, save that crap for television and storefronts.
Our neighborhoods are for us not some company...it makes the place look even more ghetto with ads all over the place...murals from the locals on the walls are much preferable to a family enviroment..then visual spam...(and corporate billboards are nothing less then this)
If you are not local or are not making something pleasing for the neighborhood to enjoy, take it to a magazine, dont sh1t on my neighborhood with your endless spam advertising
would you rather have a neighborhood like this?
or like this
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The local landowner chooses to sell space for advertisement.
Let the "artists" purchase the space and put up their own art.
And most graffitti is not murals/art. Most is junk and advertising of idiots/gangs. Some-one getting their kicks with a $1.50 spray can.
Some can not even spell.
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Lifer
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too bad you know so little about graffitti, if you learn a bit about it you would see there is a whole lot more to then the ugly gang tags that are nothing less then a dog pissing on the wall.
:roll: not surprised..
:roll: not surprised..
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Lifer
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Vic
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Ridiculous logic. The billboards are private property in your neighborhood, thus its owners are locals. Take it up with the city if you don't like it. Or, if you really don't like the billboards, buy the property from its owners so that you can take them down.
Graffiti is vandalism, the willful destruction of someone else's private property. It cannot be justified on any grounds. If these graffitists are artists, then let them sell their work, or get permission from the property owners first. Otherwise, "A state-supported artist is an incompetent whore." -- Robert Heinlein.
All you have done here, rot, is prove that you have no concept of government, no respect for individual rights, and believe in nothing but the power of the mob.
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