Propagandist's approval rating solidly back in the 30s again

[rickn]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: rickn

. . he's gone in two and a half years

That's a thousand days left to destroy the ship of state and sink the nations forseeable future.

keep the passport handy

 

[Engineer]

Thursday April 27, 2006--Thirty-eight percent (38%) of American adults approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. That's the lowest level of support ever measured by Rasmussen Reports.

Sixty-one percent (61%) disapprove, including 45% who Strongly Disapprove. One additional sign of the President's weakness is that Democrats lead by twelve percentage points on a generic 2008 Presidential Ballot.

The President earns approval from 66% of Republicans, 13% of Democrats, and 33% of those not affiliated with either major party.

New low of 38% on Rasmussen. Also, to dullard, the pattern of 38, 41, 40,40,40,41,43,43,42,40,39,39 indicates that Bush has indeed taken the next step downward in his falling polling numbers!


New average low of 34.8% from Real Clear Politics sampling of the polls!

Might get to change the title soon to solidy in the 20's!


Just how low can the poll go?

I bet the congressional GOP are crapping on themselves trying to stay away from the shrub as elections approach! :shocked:

As I saw one forum member state that Bush is a GREAT PRESIDENT lately, all I can say is....:laugh:

:laugh:

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: Engineer
I bet the congressional GOP are crapping on themselves trying to stay away from the shrub as elections approach! :shocked:

They want his money, but they're desperately trying to get Laura to campaign with them

As I saw one forum member state that Bush is a GREAT PRESIDENT lately, all I can say is....:laugh:

:laugh:

Oxycontin + Kool-Aid can have strange side effects.

 

[moshquerade]

this thread started out poorly. a progagandist calling out what he thinks is a propagandist.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
this thread started out poorly. a progagandist calling out what he thinks is a propagandist.

Yeah, like you're a bastion of truth. :roll:

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Engineer
Also, to dullard, the pattern of 38, 41, 40,40,40,41,43,43,42,40,39,39 indicates that Bush has indeed taken the next step downward in his falling polling numbers.

He is taking a downward trend on Rasmussen. But I highly doubt that the drop from 41 to 38 overnight is all real (it is probably mostly statistical noise).

Last time I spoke on this issue he was ~42%+-3%. And he soared from 39% to 43% in a couple days (proving that he wasn't truely at 39%).

Now that data you posted looks like ~41%+-3%. Yes, that is going down. But he isn't truely at 38% until we see a couple 36% readings or at least one 35% reading. We'll wait a few days to see if it does reach 36% or goes back up to 40%. Hopefully, it'll keep falling and you'll be right Engineer.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: moshquerade
this thread started out poorly. a progagandist calling out what he thinks is a propagandist.

Yeah, like you're a bastion of truth. :roll:

i'd never title something that way. it's just asking for flaming, and not intelligent debating.

 

[Engineer]

Back on topic afer a fanboy sighting...

Rasmussen down to 37 today (new low) after two consecutive days at 38. :laugh:

Saturday April 29, 2006--Public approval of President George W. Bush continues to decline. Today, for the third time in two weeks, the President's Job Approval Rating has fallen to the lowest level ever measured by Rasmussen Reports.

Just 37% of Americans now give the President their Approval, only 16% Strongly Approve. Even among Republicans, approval has tumbled and is currently measured at 66%. For most of his first term, Bush earned Approval Ratings in the high 80s from Republicans.

 

[Looney]

Man, in Canada he would have been out of office by now. That's what you get with a fixed election. There's been recent pollage done in Canada whether we should go for fixed elections too (since an election was just forced on us this past winter, and people were upset that they had to go to the pollbooths in the middle of winter)... but thanks to the US, most Canadians don't want to see the same thing in Canada. We'd rather go through 2 feet of snow to the voting booths if it means we can kick out somebody who isn't doing a good job.

Bush doesn't care whether he does a good job or not now... he doesn't have the motivation of a re-election. But if there was a chance that he could be kicked out of office early, you'd bet he would do a better job.

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: LooneyBush doesn't care whether he does a good job or not now... he doesn't have the motivation of a re-election. But if there was a chance that he could be kicked out of office early, you'd bet he would do a better job.

I really doubt it. The reason Bush doesn't do a good job isn't because he does care or something. I think his basic view of the world and political philosophy are ineffective. Also, he's just not a competent person in general even when dealing with non-ideological issues (witness katrina).

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
I really doubt it. The reason Bush doesn't do a good job isn't because he does care or something. I think his basic view of the world and political philosophy are ineffective. Also, he's just not a competent person in general even when dealing with non-ideological issues (witness katrina).

I agree with you zephyrprime. He is doing the very best he can. The problem is that what the voices in his tell him is not what is best for America (ie he says God has spoken to him on issues). So he is just misguided. Heck, the less hard he tries, the less he'll take us off course.

 

[dullard]

Something interesting from Rasmussen on Sunday:

Sunday 38% approval rating.

From this point forward, we will set our partisan affiliation weighting targets based upon survey results obtained during the previous three months. These shift only modestly month-to-month, but the change could be significant over a long period of time.

Based upon the past three months, the current targets are 36.6% Democrat, 33.5% Republican, and 29.9% Unaffiliated. These targets will be updated monthly. Previously, our weighting targets assumed an equal number of Republicans and Democrats.

The practical impact of this revision is modest in the current environment. The new approach will result in the President's reported ratings being a point or two lower than they would have been under the old system. Today's reading would have been 39% using the old approach."

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: dullard
Something interesting from Rasmussen on Sunday:

Sunday 38% approval rating.

From this point forward, we will set our partisan affiliation weighting targets based upon survey results obtained during the previous three months. These shift only modestly month-to-month, but the change could be significant over a long period of time.

Based upon the past three months, the current targets are 36.6% Democrat, 33.5% Republican, and 29.9% Unaffiliated. These targets will be updated monthly. Previously, our weighting targets assumed an equal number of Republicans and Democrats.

The practical impact of this revision is modest in the current environment. The new approach will result in the President's reported ratings being a point or two lower than they would have been under the old system. Today's reading would have been 39% using the old approach."

I read that yesterday along with the now adjusted month averages. Of course, Rasmussen will now be labeled a liberal polling house! :shocked:

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: dullard
Something interesting from Rasmussen on Sunday:

Sunday 38% approval rating.

From this point forward, we will set our partisan affiliation weighting targets based upon survey results obtained during the previous three months. These shift only modestly month-to-month, but the change could be significant over a long period of time.

Based upon the past three months, the current targets are 36.6% Democrat, 33.5% Republican, and 29.9% Unaffiliated. These targets will be updated monthly. Previously, our weighting targets assumed an equal number of Republicans and Democrats.

The practical impact of this revision is modest in the current environment. The new approach will result in the President's reported ratings being a point or two lower than they would have been under the old system. Today's reading would have been 39% using the old approach."

I read that yesterday along with the now adjusted month averages. Of course, Rasmussen will now be labeled a liberal polling house! :shocked:

Rasmussen realized that their "fair and balanced" polling was marginalizing them. They can't be that much of an outlier for that long and be considered credible.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Rasmussen realized that their "fair and balanced" polling was marginalizing them. They can't be that much of an outlier for that long and be considered credible.

It did work. When Bush was first elected, the votes were just about 50/50. So their 50/50 weighting was based on voting results, not what the general population thinks (since many Democrats don't bother to vote they are different).

That strategy worked well too in the next Bush election, since it was still close to 50/50 (well at least closer than using the extra Democrats that don't vote).

So, by making two different (and nearly offsetting) mistakes, Rasmussen ended up being the closest to the election results. In a strange way, that added credibility to many people's views of polls.

 

[Engineer]

Bush and GOP congress sink to new lows in AP-lpsos poll. Driven down by angry conservatives.

? Just 33 percent of the public approves of Bush's job performance, the lowest of his presidency. That compares with 36 percent approval in early April. Forty-five percent of self-described conservatives now disapprove of the president.

? Just one-fourth of the public approves of the job Congress is doing, a new low in AP-Ipsos polling and down 5 percentage points since last month. A whopping 65 percent of conservatives disapprove of Congress.

? A majority of Americans say they want Democrats rather than Republicans to control Congress (51 percent to 34 percent). That's the largest gap recorded by AP-Ipsos since Bush took office. Even 31 percent of conservatives want Republicans out of power.

? The souring of the nation's mood has accelerated the past three months, with the percentage of people describing the nation on the wrong track rising 12 points to a new high of 73 percent. Six of 10 conservatives say America is headed in the wrong direction.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Engineer
Bush and GOP congress sink to new lows in AP-lpsos poll. Driven down by angry conservatives.

? Just 33 percent of the public approves of Bush's job performance, the lowest of his presidency. That compares with 36 percent approval in early April. Forty-five percent of self-described conservatives now disapprove of the president.

? Just one-fourth of the public approves of the job Congress is doing, a new low in AP-Ipsos polling and down 5 percentage points since last month. A whopping 65 percent of conservatives disapprove of Congress.

? A majority of Americans say they want Democrats rather than Republicans to control Congress (51 percent to 34 percent). That's the largest gap recorded by AP-Ipsos since Bush took office. Even 31 percent of conservatives want Republicans out of power.

? The souring of the nation's mood has accelerated the past three months, with the percentage of people describing the nation on the wrong track rising 12 points to a new high of 73 percent. Six of 10 conservatives say America is headed in the wrong direction.

I read this same story this morning today also and thought, wow...how much worse can it get? Then, I go to our cafeteria here at work for some b'fast and FNC is touting the RISE in Bush and the GOP's poll numbers? I had to stop and just shake my head.

Edit: Fox poll story

"There has been a dispute in polling circles about whether or not to weight survey results by party identification," comments Opinion Dynamics Chairman John Gorman. "The FOX News poll is not weighted by party. We feel party identification moves around just like positions on issues and candidates.


"That being said, in the current survey, 39 percent of people responding say they think of themselves as Republicans and 37 percent as Democrats. In Fox News/Opinion Dynamics polls conducted over the last few months, an average of 39 percent of respondents identified themselves as Democrats, while only 34 percent identified as Republicans, suggesting that Republicans may be overrepresented in the current survey. This, in turn, may have had a small effect in overstating the president?s current approval ratings."

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

This, in turn, may have had a small effect in overstating the president?s current approval ratings.

Hmm, approval jumps up 5% unexpectedly. This happens at the same time the number of Republicans in the poll moved up 5%. Think there is any connection?

Originally posted by: dullard
Now that data you posted looks like ~41%+-3%. Yes, that is going down. But he isn't truely at 38% until we see a couple 36% readings or at least one 35% reading. We'll wait a few days to see if it does reach 36% or goes back up to 40%.

Waiting a few days gave a 41% reading at Rasmussen today.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

This, in turn, may have had a small effect in overstating the president?s current approval ratings.

Hmm, approval jumps up 5% unexpectedly. This happens at the same time the number of Republicans in the poll moved up 5%. Think there is any connection?

Nawwww!

 

[chowderhead]

Gallup has GWB at 31% Approval 05/08/06
President Bush's approval rating has slumped to 31% in a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll, the lowest of his presidency and a warning sign for Republicans in the November elections.

Even some conservatives and some Republicans are realizing that this presidency has made some huge mistakes and BAD decisions. His fiscal policy has been one of reckless spending and tax cuts for everyone financed like someone's credit card. His DETOUR that is Iraq is his albatross while Osama Bin Laden is still alive somewhere making threats. I truly believe he has been almost a complete failure as President. I always thought that 30% is the floor but I am beginning to think he could continue dropping like a stone.
By the way, Rasmussen is the only poll that has in the 40s (41%) which is a large 10% difference.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: chowderhead
Gallup has GWB at 31% Approval 05/08/06
President Bush's approval rating has slumped to 31% in a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll, the lowest of his presidency and a warning sign for Republicans in the November elections.

Rasmussen is the only poll that has in the 40s (41%) which is a large 10% difference.

Rasmussen is largely controlled by the GOP:

Political affiliation**
45% are Republican
34% are Democrat
21% are other/undecided
62% have contributed funds or time to a
Congressional or presidential candidate

 

[BarneyFife]

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2006/05/11/bushs-approval-ratings/

29% LOL! Americans get what they deserve.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2006/05/11/bushs-approval-ratings/

29% LOL! Americans get what they deserve.

All 29% that support Bush and his Oil buddies are right here in P&N

 

[catnap1972]

The one thing I'm always wondering about this 30% (or 29% or whatever the latest number turns up)--how many of them actually do support Bush, and how many of them are just of the mentality that they simply CAN'T admit that they were wrong/made a mistake (because that would mean that they themselves are also a failure, not to mention they'd explode) and are simply living in denial?

 

[JVanhuse]

Slightly off topic, but there was a reference to a poll of how many Americans believe there will be a civil war in Iraq.

B.S. Violence among some for sure, but there will not be a civil war. The problem with Americans are that they have never been to Iraq and listen to the media reports out of Iraq as if the information was coming straight from the mouth of Jesus Christ himself. To Soldiers like myself who have done tours over there, the reports are laughable. We used to wonder with amazement at how the situation over there is portrayed.

Yes it is violent, but take the reports with a grain of salt. It's no where near a state of civil war over there.