Proof God doesn't Exist

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: envy me

If God Exists and HAS existed since the beginning of time, then that means existing since the beginning of time is possible.

Furthermore if the above is possible, then it is possible that the universe has existed since the beginning of time and will always exist and wasn't in fact created by god.

That is all.

Only the foolish would believe in God.





1 Corinthians 1
1Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

2Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

3Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

4I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;

5That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;

6Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:

7So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

8Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

10Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

11For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

12Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

13Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

14I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

15Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

16And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

18For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29That no flesh should glory in his presence.

30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

31That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Garth
Not exactly. I can prove that a largest prime number doesn't exist, for example.

-Garth

Not that I'm asking to argue, but how? It escapes my brain.

http://primes.utm.edu/notes/proofs/infinite/euclids.html

Both of the proofs on that page basically prove the same thing. The second one down is formulated in a way that is the most relevant to the point I contended here, though, and its a bit easier to follow IMHO. Basically, you can derive a contradiction from the premise that the number of primes is finite, thereby concluding that there is no largest prime number.

In any case, you cannot prove that God (in the concept that we understand) does not exist. To be able to prove that, you must be the very thing that you are trying to disprove. Remember, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I agree. You can't truely prove anything about our external reality with logic, anyway, true or false. Knowledge about external reality can only be induced, not deduced.

-Garth

 

[everman]

Why do people make some kind of general statement, then post some big long passage from the Bible, and expect you to understand what the point is, such as above? This makes no sence.

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: envy me

If God Exists and HAS existed since the beginning of time, then that means existing since the beginning of time is possible.

Furthermore if the above is possible, then it is possible that the universe has existed since the beginning of time and will always exist and wasn't in fact created by god.

That is all.

I'm not reading all four pages so if this has been covered, oh well.

What if ... God exists outside time, ergo he can step in at any point in time and cause something.

God created time and other natural laws/forces. The universe is governed by the laws he put in existence and we can discover them. This discovery process is known as science.

Maybe God created time simultaneously with physical objects in the universe.

My original argument was that what if time and space always have existed (just like god has) then there would be no need for a god to create those things.

 

[DasFox]

Sorry if this was said before:

Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, their deeds are vile: there is no one who does good.

 

[eits]

this guy is obviously part of the bush cabinet.... such amazing logic

since no one has more than .1% of all of the knowledge in the world, it's impossible to disprove God's existence

 

[mugs]

I haven't read all of the replies and don't plan on wasting my time, so while I'm sure this has already been said, I feel compelled to say it myself.

That was the worst proof of ANYTHING I've ever seen. What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God (if he exists) have mercy on your soul.