Proof Bush tortured in ONE paragraph.

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: Pulsar
You know, my parents always told me that if you wanted to see the real personality of someone, you shouldn't watch how they treat their equals, but how they treat the people under them socially.

I think that measure can be applied to the government too. I'm willing to accept a few bomb attacks on this country if it means we can stand up and be a shining example of human rights.

It's a very slippery slope when you start treating people poorly when they are totally under your control, whatever your rationalization. Yes, so you cut off one guy's nuts and he nets you three bombers. Now what happens when the you cut off the next guy's nuts and he really doesn't know anything? Chalk it up as acceptable losses and move on?

So you favor dead Americans over uncomfortable terror suspects? Interesting, disgusting, but interesting.

So you really think that douchebag was the reason why we are safe?

read this

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: Pulsar
You know, my parents always told me that if you wanted to see the real personality of someone, you shouldn't watch how they treat their equals, but how they treat the people under them socially.

I think that measure can be applied to the government too. I'm willing to accept a few bomb attacks on this country if it means we can stand up and be a shining example of human rights.

It's a very slippery slope when you start treating people poorly when they are totally under your control, whatever your rationalization. Yes, so you cut off one guy's nuts and he nets you three bombers. Now what happens when the you cut off the next guy's nuts and he really doesn't know anything? Chalk it up as acceptable losses and move on?

So you favor dead Americans over uncomfortable terror suspects? Interesting, disgusting, but interesting.

Sure.

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

So you favor dead Americans over uncomfortable terror suspects? Interesting, disgusting, but interesting.

Well maybe in your case.

The looney lefts hate is saddening.

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: Pulsar
You know, my parents always told me that if you wanted to see the real personality of someone, you shouldn't watch how they treat their equals, but how they treat the people under them socially.

I think that measure can be applied to the government too. I'm willing to accept a few bomb attacks on this country if it means we can stand up and be a shining example of human rights.

It's a very slippery slope when you start treating people poorly when they are totally under your control, whatever your rationalization. Yes, so you cut off one guy's nuts and he nets you three bombers. Now what happens when the you cut off the next guy's nuts and he really doesn't know anything? Chalk it up as acceptable losses and move on?

So you favor dead Americans over uncomfortable terror suspects? Interesting, disgusting, but interesting.

So you really think that douchebag was the reason why we are safe?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...-network_n_330033.html">read this</a>

Huffington post? Don't read it, probably the same reason you'd give if I posted a Faux news link. And no, I don't think Bush, Cheney or the CIA "torturing" anyone is the reason we are "safe". I don't buy the "War on Terror" ?, if terrorist wanted to they could attack America everyday and there's not much we could do to stop it, seriously. Pipe bombs in backpacks in crowded shopping malls, schools, churches, etc. But I do know that the guys over there are fighting a real enemy, and I do know that many times innocent people get caught up in the round up, but I also saw MANY Iraqis that were "on our side" turn on us, and kill Americans, so I give the guys actually fighting the fight some leeway.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

So you favor dead Americans over uncomfortable terror suspects? Interesting, disgusting, but interesting.

So you favor being a sub-human piece of shit torturer over being an American. Disgusting, but not at all interesting.

If you think exposure to exceptionally loud sounds of any kind isn't torture, think again. I'm an audio engineer, and I'll be glad to post plenty of references to prove that it is not only torture, but it can cause permanent physical as well as psychological damage.

If you need the reminder, I can also repost my "macro" specifying why, in addition to being illegal and immoral, torture does not work. It will not save any lives. It will not stop any terrorist group from attacking us.

Your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers and war criminals are still the worst terrorists ever to attack the United States of America. They are worse than Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and all the Al Qaeda wannabes of the world because, at least Bin Laden and Al Qaeda admit they want to destroy us while the Bushwhackos and their blood thirsty, war mongering hoard were actually doing it to us from the inside and lying about it.

Those fscking criminals committed heinous acts including torture and other war crimes and crimes against humanity while they held American citizens captive without their Constitutional right to legal counsel and engaged in unwarranted domestic spying against EVERY American citizen.

In so doing, they demeaned the credibility and integrity our nation to ourselves and to the entire world. Worst of all, they did it in our name. :thumbsdown: :|

Not much left of anything resembilng "America" or "American" remains when our leaders betray every principle embodied in our once honored, once valued Constitution and system of laws. :brokenheart:

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

So you favor dead Americans over uncomfortable terror suspects? Interesting, disgusting, but interesting.

So you favor being a sub-human piece of shit torturer over being an American. Disgusting, but not at all interesting.

If you think exposure to exceptionally loud sounds of any kind isn't torture, think again. I'm an audio engineer, and I'll be glad to post plenty of references to prove that it is not only torture, but it can cause permanent physical as well as psychological damage.

If you need the reminder, I can also repost my "macro" specifying why, in addition to being illegal and immoral, torture does not work. It will not save any lives. It will not stop any terrorist group from attacking us.

Your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers and war criminals are still the worst terrorists ever to attack the United States of America. They are worse than Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and all the Al Qaeda wannabes of the world because, at least Bin Laden and Al Qaeda admit they want to destroy us while the Bushwhackos and their blood thirsty, war mongering hoard were actually doing it to us from the inside and lying about it.

Those fscking criminals committed heinous acts including torture and other war crimes and crimes against humanity while they held American citizens captive without their Constitutional right to legal counsel and engaged in unwarranted domestic spying against EVERY American citizen.

In so doing, they demeaned the credibility and integrity our nation to ourselves and to the entire world. Worst of all, they did it in our name. :thumbsdown: :|

Not much left of anything resembilng "America" or "American" remains when our leaders betray every principle embodied in our once honored, once valued Constitution and system of laws. :brokenheart:

Ah Harvey, proof positive there is nothing Christian to be found among the ranks of the right,"as you do unto the least of these, so you do unto me" means nothing to them.

 

[microbial]

If I were choosing a song for interrogating Dick Cheney--it would be Kenny Rogers' Coward of the County

By the third go-around anyone would confess to anything...


Evryone considered him the coward of the county.
Hed never stood one single time to prove the county wrong.
His mama named him tommy, the folks just called him yellow,
But something always told me they were reading tommy wrong.

He was only ten years old when his daddy died in prison.
I looked after tommy cause he was my brothers son.
I still recall the final words my brother said to tommy:
Son, my life is over, but yours is just begun.

Promise me, son, not to do the things Ive done.
Walk away from trouble if you can.
It wont mean youre weak if you turn the other cheek.
I hope youre old enough to understand:
Son, you dont have to fight to be a man.

Theres someone for evryone and tommys love was becky.
In her arms he didnt have to prove he was a man.
One day while he was workin the gatlin boys came callin.
They took turns at becky.... there was three of them!

Tommy opened up the door and saw his becky cryin.
The torn dress, the shattered look was more than he could stand.
He reached above the fireplace and took down his daddys picture.
As his tears fell on his daddys face, he heard these words again:

Promise me, son, not to do the things Ive done.
Walk away from trouble if you can.
It wont mean youre weak if you turn the other cheek.
I hope youre old enough to understand:
Son, you dont have to fight to be a man.

The gatlin boys just laughed at him when he walked into the barroom.
One of them got up and met him halfway cross the floor.
When tommy turned around they said, hey look! ol yellows leavin.
But you coulda heard a pin drop when tommy stopped and blocked the door.

Twenty years of crawlin was bottled up inside him.
He wasnt holdin nothin back; he let em have it all.
When tommy left the barroom not a gatlin boy was standin.
He said, this ones for becky, as he watched the last one fall.
And I heard him say,

I promised you, dad, not to do the things you done.
I walk away from trouble when I can.
Now please dont think Im weak, I didnt turn the other cheek,
And papa, I sure hope you understand:
Sometimes you gotta fight when youre a man.

Evryone considered him the coward of the county.

 

[Sclamoz]

It just seems completely insane to me to publicly fight against countries that commit human rights abuses and then declare a war on people who use terror to achieve political goals and then start torturing people. It just doesn't add up. But what do I know?

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

So you favor dead Americans over uncomfortable terror suspects? Interesting, disgusting, but interesting.

So you favor being a sub-human piece of shit torturer over being an American. Disgusting, but not at all interesting.

Where did I say that I supported cheney, or Bush? Oh I didn't, that's just more of your bullshit partisan lies. I didn't read the rest of your dribble, as it's always long winded, and doesn't say anything worth reading anyway.

 

[manowar821]

You jerk.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

So you favor dead Americans over uncomfortable terror suspects? Interesting, disgusting, but interesting.

So you favor being a sub-human piece of shit torturer over being an American. Disgusting, but not at all interesting.

Where did I say that I supported cheney, or Bush? Oh I didn't, that's just more of your bullshit partisan lies. I didn't read the rest of your dribble, as it's always long winded, and doesn't say anything worth reading anyway.

Your post can only mean that you support continuing the torture of captive "suspects" with loud sounds and that you believe not doing so would directly result in more "dead Americans." That is parroting your mercifully EX-Vice Traitor In Chief who continues to spew his criminality regularly.

I again remind you that torture is illegal and immoral, torture does not work. It will not save any lives. It will not stop any terrorist group from attacking us.

And I again remind you that exposure to exceptionally loud sounds can cause permanent physical and psychological damage. If you disagree, prove it with info from credible sources, but remember, I really am an audio electronic design engineer, I've been around professional studio and concert environments for decades, and I can and will bust your chops if you try to bullshit us or dismiss the issue without proof.

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

So you favor dead Americans over uncomfortable terror suspects? Interesting, disgusting, but interesting.

So you favor being a sub-human piece of shit torturer over being an American. Disgusting, but not at all interesting.

Where did I say that I supported cheney, or Bush? Oh I didn't, that's just more of your bullshit partisan lies. I didn't read the rest of your dribble, as it's always long winded, and doesn't say anything worth reading anyway.

Your post can only mean that you support continuing the torture of captive "suspects" with loud sounds and that you believe not doing so would directly result in more "dead Americans." That is parroting your mercifully EX-Vice Traitor In Chief who continues to spew his criminality regularly.

I've personally seen harsh interrogation techniques lead to the capture of bombmakers, and "insurgents" planning IED strikes. When we were working with the Iraqi Army, and police, they brought in a bunch of locals they had rounded up from a tip. The next morning we executed a raid that netting completed bombs and a lot of materials which our unit had the pleasure of detonating that afternoon. The interrogations were not carried out by Americans, the Iraqis handled it, and if you think that waterboarding, or loud music is mean, these guys would give you nightmares. I've heard of detainee's begging to be taken to FOBs for holding instead of held by the Iraqis. Our MI was nothing but respectful, and delligent.

I again remind you that torture is illegal and immoral, torture does not work. It will not save any lives. It will not stop any terrorist group from attacking us.

In most instances, I agree, it does not, but that is not absolute, nothing is.

And I again remind you that exposure to exceptionally loud sounds can cause permanent physical and psychological damage. If you disagree, prove it with info from credible sources, but remember, I really am an audio electronic design engineer, I've been around professional studio and concert environments for decades, and I can and will bust your chops if you try to bullshit us or dismiss the issue without proof.

"Bust my chops", lofuckinl. I've lost 43ish% of my hearing in my right ear from working with demolitions, guns, and playing in a band for many years. It's just funny that some people will enjoy some much that is bought with so much blood and pain, and then cry about the blood and the pain.

 

[Pulsar]

Standing by and letting others do the dirty work is implicit approval of their means. Suggesting that just because they did the actual harm and you weren't in the room means absolutely nothing.

You propose beating them by sinking to their level. I refuse to do that. I wish my government chose to do the same.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
So you favor dead Americans over uncomfortable terror suspects? Interesting, disgusting, but interesting.

hey you, relax. Your not some lynch pin in the war on terror, monsters don't exist and your life is your's to make.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQEmaj9C6ko

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: jonks
Yes, let's marginalize the widespread institutional approval by the Bush admin of torture by US forces which resulted in dozens of deaths of detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan, some of whom were completely innocent bystanders swept up by US forces. Man, that's hysterical stuff.

You chest-pounding patriotic pro-torture righties are so gosh darn american.

Take deep breaths

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: jonks
Yes, let's marginalize the widespread institutional approval by the Bush admin of torture by US forces which resulted in dozens of deaths of detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan, some of whom were completely innocent bystanders swept up by US forces. Man, that's hysterical stuff.

You chest-pounding patriotic pro-torture righties are so gosh darn american.

Take deep breaths

um...unlike the example above by xjohnx we are actually killing people. Some humans on the planet would consider killing other people a serious subject. The Dark knight was a good movie but that is all it was- a movie.

 

[blackangst1]

With all this irrefutable evidence, why is no one moving to prosecute? Because giving a pass = condoning the behavior, or even approving of it.

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: Pulsar
Standing by and letting others do the dirty work is implicit approval of their means. Suggesting that just because they did the actual harm and you weren't in the room means absolutely nothing.

You propose beating them by sinking to their level. I refuse to do that. I wish my government chose to do the same.

You've never been in any situtation ever remotely close to that, your opinion about it, while your right, means nothing.

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: jonks
Yes, let's marginalize the widespread institutional approval by the Bush admin of torture by US forces which resulted in dozens of deaths of detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan, some of whom were completely innocent bystanders swept up by US forces. Man, that's hysterical stuff.

You chest-pounding patriotic pro-torture righties are so gosh darn american.

Take deep breaths

um...unlike the example above by xjohnx we are actually killing people. Some humans on the planet would consider killing other people a serious subject. The Dark knight was a good movie but that is all it was- a movie.

Some people would consider stopping people from killing others a serious subject.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: Pulsar
Standing by and letting others do the dirty work is implicit approval of their means. Suggesting that just because they did the actual harm and you weren't in the room means absolutely nothing.

You propose beating them by sinking to their level. I refuse to do that. I wish my government chose to do the same.

You've never been in any situtation ever remotely close to that, your opinion about it, while your right, means nothing.

Ive never been remotely close to underage prostitution and trafficing, yet I have an opinion about it. Does it not count then?

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
With all this irrefutable evidence, why is no one moving to prosecute? Because giving a pass = condoning the behavior, or even approving of it.

Then again it may just be that proving it beyond a reasonable doubt just isn't possible.

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: Pulsar
Standing by and letting others do the dirty work is implicit approval of their means. Suggesting that just because they did the actual harm and you weren't in the room means absolutely nothing.

You propose beating them by sinking to their level. I refuse to do that. I wish my government chose to do the same.

You've never been in any situtation ever remotely close to that, your opinion about it, while your right, means nothing.

Ive never been remotely close to underage prostitution and trafficing, yet I have an opinion about it. Does it not count then?

No, not really. Where would you imagine an opinion counts for anything outside of the mind of the person who has it?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: blackangst1
With all this irrefutable evidence, why is no one moving to prosecute? Because giving a pass = condoning the behavior, or even approving of it.

Then again it may just be that proving it beyond a reasonable doubt just isn't possible.

You dont need beyond a reasonable doubt to get it into a grand jury. But if you ask Harvey, he has evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: Pulsar
Standing by and letting others do the dirty work is implicit approval of their means. Suggesting that just because they did the actual harm and you weren't in the room means absolutely nothing.

You propose beating them by sinking to their level. I refuse to do that. I wish my government chose to do the same.

You've never been in any situtation ever remotely close to that, your opinion about it, while your right, means nothing.

Ive never been remotely close to underage prostitution and trafficing, yet I have an opinion about it. Does it not count then?

No, not really. Where would you imagine an opinion counts for anything outside of the mind of the person who has it?

Well, from a selfish POV I guess not.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

With all this irrefutable evidence, why is no one moving to prosecute? Because giving a pass = condoning the behavior, or even approving of it.

Guess you haven't been paying attention. Attorney General Holder has not announced whether he will pursue charges against senior Bushwhackos, and there are continuing calls from Congress for it to happen.

Why do you love murderers, traitors, torturers and war criminals and hate the Unitied States of America and our Constitution and laws?