Progressive Scan

[Gamingphreek]

We just acquired a new DVD player which features progressive scan. And we need help wiring everything up.

Here is the setup:

CD PLAYER||||||Reciever
DVD/VCR Combo||||| Cable Box
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TV

1. We want the most efficient way to wire everything.
2. IS there any way to use our picture in picture with our cable box
3. We will be using a Coaxial Digital for the audio as opposed to Toss-Link Optical cable for our 5.1 Digital Surround system. Is there any reason to switch to our old DVD player which has an Optical as opposed to Coaxial.

-Kevin

Edit: Should we plug the RCA cables into the jacks labeled progressive scan.
Finally, what will progressive scan do for us. Anything good, or at least noticable.

 

[Excelsior]

Yeah, progressive scan, provided that your TV supports it, will make your DVDs look a fair bit better. Worth it at least.

Anyway, paging jello.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Oh.... well i dont believe our TV supports Progressive Scan. Sony KV-35S66. In that case the only other real option is SVIDEO... correct?

-Kevin

 

[MustISO]

First, go to AVS and spend some time reading.

For progressive scan, the TV must be digital. You need to use a Component, DVI or HDMI connection.

Digital Coax and Optical (toslink) transmit the same signal, either is fine to use and they must be used for Dolby Digital and DTS transmission to the receiver.
Make sure the DVD player is set to output via the digital out and that it's set to bitstream output (not PCM or downmix, etc).

 

[MustISO]

If you don't have Component (red, green, blue) then S-Video is the next best thing.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well this is an old Tube TV, not Flat Panel LCD or anything, additionally it requires a cable box for our digital cable so, i am guessing it isn't digital.

When you say component do you mean RCA? In other words should i be using RCA (Yellow i think) over SVIDEO. I thought it was the other way around.

Also we would really like to know whether or not there is anyway to use our Picture In Picture while using our Digital Cable box?

-Kevin

 

[MustISO]

Generally speaking you can use PIP with a cable box but I think you need two antenna inputs, one going to the cable box and one to the TV, you would only be able to use the analog/non-scrambled channels for one of the pictures. We don't use cable boxes so I'm not sure.

Component connection is Green - Red - Blue. See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_video

It's basically standard RCA type cables but they have to be 75 Ohm cables.

If your TV only have composite (yellow = video) and S-video. Then run S-video to the TV and the digital audio to your receiver input.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Anyway, paging jello.

heh, I think just about everything got covered I think....

I have no experience with picture in picture.

Optical vs Coaxial shouldn't matter.

I don't think progessive scan is going to get you anything from your SD tv.

So... most efficient?

Well... you're going to have to run an audio line from each of your sources to your receiver... so RCA from your cd player probably, coax from your dvd side of your combo drive and RCA from your VCR side (unless it's able to output digitally for the VCR portion).
What kind of audio outputs does your cable box have?

Are the jack labeled progressive scan on the DVD player? If you have component input on your tv, it's still going to be a little better color than s-video. If you don't have component cables, you can use three yellow video cables instead.
If you don't have anything like this, then s-video will look very good too.

You're probably going to have to run composite video from the VCR too.

For your cable box, use whatever's available in this order... component, s-video, composite.

For picture in picture, I think the tv has two tuners and you feed it two coax cables, but I could be wrong since I've never had it.

If you're looking to cut down on the number of cables, run the video sources to the tv directly instead of going through the receiver.

I don't know if anything I've said is actually useful... it seems like everything has been pretty covered already.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well i was thinking of something like that. THe problem lies in that the TV only has one S-Video port.

THe cable box has the standard RCA ports, and IIRC an S-Video port.

What do you mean by running the sources directly to the TV?

-Kevin

 

[imported_Leviathan]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Well i was thinking of something like that. THe problem lies in that the TV only has one S-Video port.

THe cable box has the standard RCA ports, and IIRC an S-Video port.

What do you mean by running the sources directly to the TV?

-Kevin

I think maybe he means not through a VCR or something of the like.

 

[0roo0roo]

if its old you are out of luck for even component interlaced. red green blue, hard to miss. even cheap tv's nowdays have component interlaced input, but only more costly ed tv's have progressive support. kinda annoying when even the cheapest players support progressive output these days.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Yeah... its pretty old so i dont think it has component out. THe only thing it has is S-Link (SOny exculsive feature), RCA in/outs, SVIDEO port, standard cable Coax ports.

Am i right when i say it is MUCH better to use the RCA than the coaxial cable (for CATV). In other words it is worse to plug the cable box in, and then use another coax and run that into the cable input on the TV, than to do the first part and use RCA for the second part.

-Kevin

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Yeah... its pretty old so i dont think it has component out. THe only thing it has is S-Link (SOny exculsive feature), RCA in/outs, SVIDEO port, standard cable Coax ports.

Am i right when i say it is MUCH better to use the RCA than the coaxial cable (for CATV). In other words it is worse to plug the cable box in, and then use another coax and run that into the cable input on the TV, than to do the first part and use RCA for the second part.

-Kevin

I am not sure about MUCH better, but yeah, I think it would be at least..noticeable, since the rca (yellow) is just video, whereas the coaxial is video and audio in one cable.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Well i was thinking of something like that. THe problem lies in that the TV only has one S-Video port.

THe cable box has the standard RCA ports, and IIRC an S-Video port.

What do you mean by running the sources directly to the TV?

-Kevin

I meant plug the video sources directly into the tv if your tv has enough inputs, but it sounds like it doesn't.

The other option (which is sounds like you're going to need to do) is to plug the video sources into your receiver and then use your receiver to select the video source.

 

[0roo0roo]

if there aren't enough inputs there are switch boxes avaliable at electronics stores.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
if there aren't enough inputs there are switch boxes avaliable at electronics stores.

YOur referring to modulators?

-Kevin

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
if there aren't enough inputs there are switch boxes avaliable at electronics stores.

YOur referring to modulators?

-Kevin

I think he means something more like this

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=180-935

 

[royaldank]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
if there aren't enough inputs there are switch boxes avaliable at electronics stores.

YOur referring to modulators?

-Kevin

I think he means something more like this

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=180-935

If you don't need the box to handle the audio (meaning you can run audio from each piece of hardware to your receiver) then you can get a cheap S-video/RCA switchbox for around $20 at Walmart, BB, CC, etc or video game stores.

 

[zerocool1]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Well this is an old Tube TV, not Flat Panel LCD or anything, additionally it requires a cable box for our digital cable so, i am guessing it isn't digital.

When you say component do you mean RCA? In other words should i be using RCA (Yellow i think) over SVIDEO. I thought it was the other way around.

Also we would really like to know whether or not there is anyway to use our Picture In Picture while using our Digital Cable box?

-Kevin

no, component has more bandwidth than normal rca cables. it uses the same connectors but a lot fatter cables. Component is only colors, so you get more than using information than using video+left+right. Svideo is the next best thing.

 

[Wag]

Originally posted by: MustISO
First, go to AVS and spend some time reading.

For progressive scan, the TV must be digital. You need to use a Component, DVI or HDMI connection.

Progressive scan is analog- just non-interlaced.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: Wag

Originally posted by: MustISO
First, go to AVS and spend some time reading.

For progressive scan, the TV must be digital. You need to use a Component, DVI or HDMI connection.

Progressive scan is analog- just non-interlaced.

Isn't Progressive scan just a non-interlaced image from a DVD player (not necessarily analog or digital)?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: royaldank

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
if there aren't enough inputs there are switch boxes avaliable at electronics stores.

YOur referring to modulators?

-Kevin

I think he means something more like this

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=180-935

If you don't need the box to handle the audio (meaning you can run audio from each piece of hardware to your receiver) then you can get a cheap S-video/RCA switchbox for around $20 at Walmart, BB, CC, etc or video game stores.

yea they can be had much cheaper. i have a sony one i think was 20... it does svideo and rca...and audio.. has little buttons for 4 inputs

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: royaldank

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
if there aren't enough inputs there are switch boxes avaliable at electronics stores.

YOur referring to modulators?

-Kevin

I think he means something more like this

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=180-935

If you don't need the box to handle the audio (meaning you can run audio from each piece of hardware to your receiver) then you can get a cheap S-video/RCA switchbox for around $20 at Walmart, BB, CC, etc or video game stores.

yea they can be had much cheaper. i have a sony one i think was 20... it does svideo and rca...and audio.. has little buttons for 4 inputs

Alright, alright, it was just an example or something.

There are cheaper ones at partsexpress too and I'm sure there are plenty at other places too.

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=180-932

 

[Gamingphreek]

Wow! I will try to run that by my dad and see if he thinks it is worth investing in. Right now i wired the system kind of wierd to get picture in picture, to avoid using coaxial (in all but the second tuner), and to make sure everything else works correctly.

Right now i have the coaxial split into 2 connections. One goes to the cable box, and one to the VCR. THe cable box then outputs that signal via RCA jacks, to the TV on its Video 2 input. The VCR outputs the cable signal via coaxial, and the actual VCR signal via RCA. The DVD player, is connected using a Coaxial Digital Audio Cable to the reciever, and RCA to the TV to allow TV sound. The DVD Video is connected Via the S-VIdeo port.

For the Reciever i split the 2 audio channels coming out of the cable box (heading for the TV) and made the each (the left and right/ red and white) also go into the Video one on the Reciever.

Seems to work OK but very confusing to operate.

Can anyone tell me why our audio reciever has video in jacks on the back?

I also assume that there is no way to get Picture in picture with both pictures being digital, as i dont have 2 digital cable boxes.

-Kevin

 

[dxkj]

The only conncetion Ive ever seen coming from a cable connection is a coax... how does this work with newer DVD players that only have digital? Or can you get a digital cable out of the box somehow too?