problems between black and asian students in South Philly

[Mursilis]

There is a sub-culture in the US that scorns education and hard-work, doesn't frown on illegitimacy, doesn't hold fathers accountable for the offspring they produce and glorifies crime and violence. I think it's unfair to just associate this culture with blacks since plenty of white trash losers buy into it as well, however when you look at crime, education & illegitimacy statistics it's clear that African-Americans buy into it at a higher rate than anyone else.

No culture can thrive if its participants have a 70%+ illegitimacy rate. That's just a recipe for failure right there, like starting the 100 yard dash 50 yards behind the start line. Until blacks (and now more and more poor whites) return to the traditional family structure of two parents, they're going to continue to be mired in poverty as a group.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The people of China have along history and longer memories. I told you guys befor and I mean it . NIMROD was a black man and china's people aren't forgetting it.

I am not Nemesis1 and If I new were he got the info. I would have posted it. You should see what this guy has on his offline computers. Entire encyclopedias dating all the way back to the 1800s Books that you can't even get online. I have never seen anything like it. A music library I am coping as we speak. It will take weeks to copy that file. He is in hospital I don't believe he will make it. But he is one stubburn strong man I hope he makes it . He has taught me and others so much. I often use his PC while am waiting. I go online here . I watched him make a fortune shorting AMD and than turn around and give the money away. He told me to short NV . So I passed it on.
I believe he told you about me did he not. His wife wanted me to tell ya that he will miss chatting with you guys. But she knows not why.
As soon as I am done coping all his files I will be gone also.
Bob.

Exactly how long have you been posting under Nemesis's nic Bob ?

 

[Svnla]

I'm going to use wiki, if you don't like the numbers go and change them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_the_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity
There is almost 3 times as many Blacks as there are Asians
3X7% = 21%
Yes, Asian's have a large number of gang members per their population in the US
You can use this to debunk your links
Right?

LOL, the source for your data is WIKI? I knew it (see the disclamer of my previous post).

See the bolded and underlined part of your reply? Yup, very reliable data there, NOT!!!! It is not that I like or not like WIKI, but it is NOT something that you can cite to back your arguement if you want to be taken seriously.

I cited US News and World Report and the FBI reports, and you cited WIKI????? ROTFLMAO. Is that how people debate and cite their data now?:awe: You want to use your WIKI to debunk my links from the FBI????? Good God, you are pathetic and a not very smart or good debater.

Get the <bleep> out of here. NEXT!!!!!

 

[BigDH01]

LOL, the source for your data is WIKI? See the bolded and underlined part of your reply? Yup, very reliable data there, NOT!!!! It is not that I like or not like WIKI, but it is NOT something that you can cite to back your arguement if you want to be taken seriously.

I cited US News and World Report and the FBI reports, and you cited WIKI????? ROTFLMAO. Is that how people debate and cite their data now?:awe:

NEXT!!!!!

You know that Wiki articles are cited, right? If you follow the citations in the Wiki article you'll find the data came from the National Criminal Justice Reference Service. As long as the Wiki article is cited, what's the problem?

 

[Svnla]

You know that Wiki articles are cited, right? If you follow the citations in the Wiki article you'll find the data came from the National Criminal Justice Reference Service. As long as the Wiki article is cited, what's the problem [/QUOTE ]

I would like to know which good school/college will let you use Wiki as source for any of your paperwork. Plus, see my disclaimer from post #46

Very high? Links or sources (not blog or wiki) to back you up.

Geezz, I don't know, FBI and US News vs. Wiki, Professor, which would you think is more reliable and acceptable as source(s)?

Is that Wiki the same place that said Ted Kennedy was dead way before he did and all the inaccuracies?

 

[BigDH01]

I would like to know which good school/college will let you use Wiki as source for any of your paperwork.

Geezz, I don't know, FBI and US News vs. Wiki, Professor, which would you think is more reliable and acceptable as source(s)?

Wikipedia is a data aggregation tool. As I said before, the Wiki article tells you where it got its data, the National Criminal Justice Reference Service and provided a link to the original study. Is there something flawed in the NCJRS's data? Would my professor or teacher throw away the NCJRS's data because I originally found the work on Wikipedia?

 

[darkewaffle]

This thread is fucking great, many lols were had.

Though OP's article is pretty sad, whether you think there was racial motivation or not it's just kind of mindblowing to me to hear about that sort of thing going on in a school. Worst I ever saw was a few fist fights :/

And you don't cite the wiki numbnuts. You cite the original source, how you found it is entirely irrelevent. Everyone knows this.

 

[Svnla]

This thread is fucking great, many lols were had.

Though OP's article is pretty sad, whether you think there was racial motivation or not it's just kind of mindblowing to me to hear about that sort of thing going on in a school. Worst I ever saw was a few fist fights :/

And you don't cite the wiki numbnuts. You cite the original source, how you found it is entirely irrelevent. Everyone knows this.

LOL, you took out exactly words from my mind. See my previous post. I do not like or hate wiki, but you CAN NOT cite wiki as your source if you want to be taken seriously in a debate. You cite the original information.

I knew the other poster would cite wike that's why I posted a disclaimer in my post (#46) and he did it anyway. :biggrin:

 

[BigDH01]

LOL, you took out exactly words from my mind. See my previous post. I do not like or hate wiki, but you CAN NOT cite wiki as your source if you want to be taken seriously in a debate. You cite the original information.

I knew the other poster would cite wike that's why I posted a disclaimer in my post (#46) and he did it anyway. :biggrin:

So when I cite a scientific publication in my work, do I also have to cite every paper that paper cited, or can I assume you can check the citations yourself?

 

[Svnla]

So when I cite a scientific publication in my work, do I also have to cite every paper that paper cited, or can I assume you can check the citations yourself?

You sure like to be the one with the last word, right?

READ MY POST #46. See the disclaimer? Got it? Good.

/debate

 

[BigDH01]

You sure like to be the one with the last word, right?

READ MY POST #46. See the disclaimer? Got it? Good.

/debate

If original earl had said "disclaimer: data from FBI not valid " would he have won the debate?

 

[Orignal Earl]

You sure like to be the one with the last word, right?

READ MY POST #46. See the disclaimer? Got it? Good.

/debate

Sigh...

Ok I'll do the extra 2 minutes work for you.
First link- http://people.missouristate.edu/MichaelCarlie/what_I_learned_about/gangs/racial_composition.htm

Second link-
http://factfinder.census.gov/servle...US&-search_results=01000US&-format=&-_lang=en

I should not of assumed from your post about all the hard work you had to do that a couple minutes of clicking would not be a hassle.
Do you understand my post at all? Do you understand that when you have a population that is 3 times the size of another you can't just compare directly?
Can you understand when your links say there is a very low number of Asians in prison its because there is a low number of Asians in the US to begin with?

Should I assume all Asians act the way you do?

 

[HumblePie]

Kudo's to the kid, but damn the stereo typing in here in thick.

As only a few people pointed out, while this students in this article are acting racist, they aren't being that way because of their race. Otherwise all black kids would act this way right? Wrong.

I personally grew up as a white kid in the military going all over the world. Many schools I attended I was the ONLY white kid in the class. I met great people and terrible people of every race and either gender. Idiotacy, ignorance, hate, and stupidity are not restricted to anyone race or group of people. Those bad traits are everywhere. I can't tell you the amount of fights I got into growing up as a kid for having to defend myself because of crap like this. Actually, I've had similar shit like what is in the OP article happen to me many times and yet I've never been in any news article about it growing up.

Despite all that, I know I'm not racist because while I was exposed to ignorant assholes of every race and creed, I also had developed friendships with people of every race and creed. For the longest time I was the "token white guy" of the group of friends I hung out with in many of the different places I've lived. White, Black, Asian, Hispanic, Indian, or whatever race a person may be doesn't enter into my mind when I first meet someone. What you wear, how you act, how you speak, who you hang out with, and what you do, and how you treat others are the only factors that enter my brain the first time I meet someone. I really wish more people in the world did this.

 

[Svnla]

If original earl had said "disclaimer: data from FBI not valid " would he have won the debate?

Goodness, are you that dense or not too bright?

Wiki is full of inaccuracies and misinformation. You/Original Earl want to pick it over data from the FBI? Dislaimer of FBI report over wiki?? ROTFLMAO. Stop, please stop, you are killing me with laughter. Too much. Must. Resist. Laughing.

I bet my last dollar that any college would allow the FBI information on a report over wiki.

Oh, my. Dislaimer: data from FBI not valid (but wiki is ok).....

 

[Svnla]

Sigh...

Ok I'll do the extra 2 minutes work for you.
First link- http://people.missouristate.edu/MichaelCarlie/what_I_learned_about/gangs/racial_composition.htm

Second link-
http://factfinder.census.gov/servle...US&-search_results=01000US&-format=&-_lang=en

I should not of assumed from your post about all the hard work you had to do that a couple minutes of clicking would not be a hassle.
Do you understand my post at all? Do you understand that when you have a population that is 3 times the size of another you can't just compare directly?
Can you understand when your links say there is a very low number of Asians in prison its because there is a low number of Asians in the US to begin with?

Should I assume all Asians act the way you do?

Now you are talking (no more wiki) so let debate.

From your own link of Census Bureau. Asians = 13.4 M out of 304 M populuation --about ~4.4&#37; and blacks = 37.5 M of of 304 M population --about ~12.3%

From your other link of Missouri State study

By 1999 those proportions had changed only slightly to be 47% Hispanic, 31% African-American, 13% Caucasian, and 7% Asian

So blacks are over 3x as much in gang (31% vs. 7% from your own link) and you said and I quote (from your post #38)

The very high number of Asian gang members would contradict what you are saying.

So blacks have 12.3% of population with a 31% of gang (2.5X compare to population) and Asians have 4.4% of population with 7% of gang (1.5x compare to population) and you said "very high number of Asian gang members"???? What school did you go to? LOL

Edit: As a matter of fact, your own links support my link from the FBI. Blacks crime= 3 Million out of 10.6 Million total or about 28.2% (and blacks are 12.3% of total US population, ie. blacks committed more than their share of population) and Asians crime = 84.4K (not even 100 thousand) out of 10.6 Million or about 0.8 percent (not even 1 percent - and Asians are 4.4% of total US population, ie. Asians committed less than their share of population). Yup, very high number of crime from Asians there. <giggling>

 

[Orignal Earl]

Now you are talking (no more wiki) so let debate.

From your own link of Census Bureau. Asians = 13.4 M out of 304 M populuation --about ~4.4% and blacks = 37.5 M of of 304 M population --about ~12.3%

From your other link of Missouri State study

Yes.. your getting there, now go on

 

[Svnla]

Yes.. your getting there, now go on

I am done, see my whole post #65. From your own links, you are still wrong.

 

[ModestGamer]

Having spent some time in my life living in the mid atlantic. I understand the WHY behind the dislike. Generally speaking blacks in the mid atlantic do no value education, hardwork etc. Its very off putting to deal with a mentality of entitlement.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39017234/ns/us_news/

wow, my general (or generalized?) perception of asians especially east and southeast asians is that they do not like black people. I wonder what makes those asian families keep allowing their kids to go to a school where black students make up 70% of the students population considering the mutual animosity between those two ethnic groups.

I was sent by my college to teach at a HS that's predominantly blacks and I could only recall seeing 1 or 2 white students going there at that time out of 500+ students. All of my students there were great though. Very dedicated learners. Must be something in S. Philly public water.

big time oops. Can you move this over to P&N forum please, mod. So sorry.

 

[Orignal Earl]

So blacks have 12.3&#37; of population with a 31% of gang (2.5X compare to population) and Asians have 4.4% of population with 7% of gang (1.5x compare to population) and you said "very high number of Asian gang members"???? What school did you go to? LOL

There is almost 3 times as many blacks as Asians
So if you triple the amount of Asian gang members to compare them with the Black population, you get 21%

I may be wrong here, I did not graduate high school and only got my grade 10 math.
But that may be at least equivalent to your Collage degree.
edit- or you could just be fudging your numbers on purpose, I see it all the time on sites like gunfacts.org

 

[Svnla]

There is almost 3 times as many blacks as Asians
So if you triple the amount of Asian gang members to compare them with the Black population, you get 21&#37;

I may be wrong here, I did not graduate high school and only got my grade 10 math.
But that may be at least equivalent to your Collage degree

WTF, if I triple? You use "IF"..let change this to this from a study to make a statement of "very high number of Asians gang members"? LOL, you got to be kidding me.

So let triple number of whites from your link - 13% becomes 39% and let do it with hispanics -47% becomes 141%..and keep blacks the same at 31%..and let keep the total percentage still to 100%???. Yayyyy, a perfect scientific study. ROTFLMAO.

Do you know anything about data integrity in a study? Goodness, now you are a troll. Go away.

or you could just be fudging your numbers on purpose

My data is from the FBI report and my report dated 2007 vs. 1999 of yours. Feel free to check.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Exactly how long have you been posting under Nemesis's nic Bob ?

I didn't know Bod had replied to this topic ,Till after I replied in it. Than I read the whole thing . Referring to topic you pulled quote

 

[Orignal Earl]

WTF, if I triple? LOL

So let triple number of white from your link - 13% becomes 39% and let do it with hispanics -47% becomes 141%. ROTFLMAO.

Do you know anything about data integrity in a study? Goodness, now you are a troll. Go away.

To compare White gang members to the Asian gang members, you would have to divide not multiply.
And it would not be by 3.

Your understanding of this is obliviously pretty messed up. Maybe I'll wait for my youngest to come over after school and explain it to you.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I didn't know Bod had replied to this topic ,Till after I replied in it. Than I read the whole thing . Referring to topic you pulled quote

Good to see you pulled through so quickly Nemesis. By the sound of Bob's post, it didn't look like you were going to make it.
Maybe we can hear more from Bob some other time.

 

[Svnla]

To compare White gang members to the Asian gang members, you would have to divide not multiply.
And it would not be by 3.

Your understanding of this is obliviously pretty messed up. Maybe I'll wait for my youngest to come over after school and explain it to you.

OK, I will show you how dumb you really are.

Let pretend to play your game. Let triple the percentage of Asians in gangs - 7&#37; becomes 21% and let keep blacks in gangs the same at 31% as you think it will make everything kosher.

Blacks still have more in gangs (31% is larger than 21%) even if the numbers were skewed per your punny mind. Now you see how stupid you really are when you said "The very high number of Asian gang members"?

 

[BigDH01]

Goodness, are you that dense or not too bright?

Fabulous, I can see that everything I typed was above your head.

Wiki is full of inaccuracies and misinformation.

Awesome, then it ought to be relatively easy for you to show Original Earl's data from Wiki was false or fabricated. So go ahead and do it. All I've seen thus far is hyperbole.

You/Original Earl want to pick it over data from the FBI? Dislaimer of FBI report over wiki?? ROTFLMAO. Stop, please stop, you are killing me with laughter. Too much. Must. Resist. Laughing.

Nonsense, my question was to illustrate the ridiculousness of arbitrary deciding what data is or is not false. Apparently, you think it's ridiculous too. Data can stand on its own merit without your seal of approval.

I bet my last dollar that any college would allow the FBI information on a report over wiki.

What if the Wiki sourced the FBI data?

Oh, my. Dislaimer: data from FBI not valid (but wiki is ok).....

I know, such a ridiculous statement to make, right? I mean, who arbitrarily dismisses data without even looking at the source?