PROBLEM IS BACK!! X1900XT is performing ok * YOUTUBE!!!

[SPARTAN VI]

The "ripping issue" sounds like the typical tearing you get with v-sync off. I noticed it too with my 7800GT SLI. V-sync should fix it.

 

[Pabster]

Yep, sounds like tearing. Try enabling vertical sync.

 

[SpeedZealot369]

I enable v-snyc through ati tool, didn't fix it

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
Ok guys, there is definitly something wrong here. I set all the cpu settings to low, ran it at 640x480 and it still stuttered (it ran alot smoother though)

I then raised the rez to 1280x860 or something like that and it still stuttered.

Anyone here have any suggestions as to how to fix this? Thanks for any help

-SZ

are you perchance aksyht's disiple or something. why can't ppl reporting performance issues ever do it correctly.

get fraps. do a benchmark and report the min,max,average frames. work from there.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: dug777
The problem here is that there are a billion individual 'your rig' specific things it could be, from mobo drivers, to sound card drivers, to BIOS settings, to the way you installed your drivers, to another program stealing cpu cycles intermittently, to most likely you're internet connection. Try playing OFFLINE before you start exploring other possibilities, it's by far the easiest thing to check

:thumbsup: I certainly had sound card/ chipset issues with hl2, did the same thing. New mb and cpu solved the problem, so I guess you need a rig for each game you play.

 

[Maximilian]

Dunno about the ripping but the stuttering is related to turning around corners and a lot of people seem to have this issue, i also had that issue.

 

[josh6079]

...install the AMD Dual Core Optimizer...

He has a single core CPU.

I hosted my own game, and it still does it.

By "hosted" do you mean single player? Or did you try to play on your computer while being a server over the internet?

Have you installed your chipset drivers yet?

If you have, and everything is still going wrong do this.

[*]Uninstall everything that says "ATI" in the Control Panel/Add or Remove Programs section

[*]Reboot computer into safe mode

[*]Open Driver Cleaner Pro

[*]Select everything that says "ATI" and add it to the cleaning list and hit "Start"

[*]Reboot computer after cleaning is finished into as you would normally. (no special safe mode)

[*]Install Cat 6.6 drivers first.

[*]Install ATI Tray Tools (latest version)

[*]Turn on Vsync + Triple Buffering through ATT (ATI Tray Tools)

If you continue to have problems you should probably uninstall/reinstall the game or possibly even do a reformat. Of course, you may also want to reset your modem and/or router as well.

 

[SpeedZealot369]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
Ok guys, there is definitly something wrong here. I set all the cpu settings to low, ran it at 640x480 and it still stuttered (it ran alot smoother though)

I then raised the rez to 1280x860 or something like that and it still stuttered.

Anyone here have any suggestions as to how to fix this? Thanks for any help

-SZ

are you perchance aksyht's disiple or something. why can't ppl reporting performance issues ever do it correctly.

get fraps. do a benchmark and report the min,max,average frames. work from there.

What are you like the video forum nazi or something? All you need to do is ask.

SHEEEESH

Originally posted by: josh6079

...install the AMD Dual Core Optimizer...

He has a single core CPU.

I hosted my own game, and it still does it.

By "hosted" do you mean single player? Or did you try to play on your computer while being a server over the internet?

Have you installed your chipset drivers yet?

If you have, and everything is still going wrong do this.

[*]Uninstall everything that says "ATI" in the Control Panel/Add or Remove Programs section

[*]Reboot computer into safe mode

[*]Open Driver Cleaner Pro

[*]Select everything that says "ATI" and add it to the cleaning list and hit "Start"

[*]Reboot computer after cleaning is finished into as you would normally. (no special safe mode)

[*]Install Cat 6.6 drivers first.

[*]Install ATI Tray Tools (latest version)

[*]Turn on Vsync + Triple Buffering through ATT (ATI Tray Tools)

If you continue to have problems you should probably uninstall/reinstall the game or possibly even do a reformat. Of course, you may also want to reset your modem and/or router as well.

My chipset doesn't have any pci-e drivers, only AGP and everything else is installed I believe.

I will do that whole shebang tonight, hopefully it will work. I have 6.8 installed now and it seems to be playing FEAR smoother so at least thats good.

-SZ

 

[hmorphone]

Originally posted by: dug777
The problem here is that there are a billion individual 'your rig' specific things it could be, from mobo drivers, to sound card drivers, to BIOS settings, to the way you installed your drivers, to another program stealing cpu cycles intermittently, to most likely you're internet connection. Try playing OFFLINE before you start exploring other possibilities, it's by far the easiest thing to check

QFT. I just ran into probs with Halflife 2 Ep 1 freezing up on me, and after much googling I solved it by dropping audio playback - hardware acceleration in XP down a notch and dropping the in game sound quality setting down. Shouldn't have had the prob to begin with, but there you go... My suggestions to the OP. Try offline play, like has been suggested, defrag the hard drive, follow as many of the other suggestions as practical, and don't give up!

 

[xtknight]

How think are the lines? Thin lines (as in seams or geometric problems) or thick (sync problems)? What direction are they going?

We can never be sure VSync is on. I'm sure the game still has the ability to disable it. If the NVIDIA control panel can force it, so can the game, so we honestly have no idea. We can only hope FEAR obeys the rules of the control panel.

Why don't you just see if there's tearing (move at a steady, consistent speed against a wall and detect any hitches in motion). If there's very minor hitching it could just be your monitor (uncontrollable refresh rate inconsistencies or response time), but if there's big ripping then VSync is off.

Does the problem still happen on ALL LOW settings (but with VSync on)?

 

[hmorphone]

Why not turn on VSync in the in game control panel instead of trying to force it in the control panel?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
I hosted my own game, and it still does it.

And also I get this wierd "ripping" on my viewsonic vx2025wm when I shoot, like a lot of black lines across the screen, more visible when I'm shooting in dark areas. I try capturing it in fraps and it doesn't show up. Had the same problem with the 2005fpw I had.

The muzzle flash from the weapon getting unexpectedly choppy you mean? That's just from the lack of high enough refresh rate. Unfortunately many LCDs are limited to 60 Hz.

 

[SpeedZealot369]

Ok, I finally fixed the problem, I disabled Catalyst A.I. in tray tools and it completely fixed the problem!

Thanks for all your help guys I appreciate it.

-SZ

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
Ok guys, there is definitly something wrong here. I set all the cpu settings to low, ran it at 640x480 and it still stuttered (it ran alot smoother though)

I then raised the rez to 1280x860 or something like that and it still stuttered.

Anyone here have any suggestions as to how to fix this? Thanks for any help

-SZ

are you perchance aksyht's disiple or something. why can't ppl reporting performance issues ever do it correctly.

get fraps. do a benchmark and report the min,max,average frames. work from there.

What are you like the video forum nazi or something? All you need to do is ask.

SHEEEESH

Originally posted by: josh6079

...install the AMD Dual Core Optimizer...

He has a single core CPU.

I hosted my own game, and it still does it.

By "hosted" do you mean single player? Or did you try to play on your computer while being a server over the internet?

Have you installed your chipset drivers yet?

If you have, and everything is still going wrong do this.

[*]Uninstall everything that says "ATI" in the Control Panel/Add or Remove Programs section

[*]Reboot computer into safe mode

[*]Open Driver Cleaner Pro

[*]Select everything that says "ATI" and add it to the cleaning list and hit "Start"

[*]Reboot computer after cleaning is finished into as you would normally. (no special safe mode)

[*]Install Cat 6.6 drivers first.

[*]Install ATI Tray Tools (latest version)

[*]Turn on Vsync + Triple Buffering through ATT (ATI Tray Tools)

If you continue to have problems you should probably uninstall/reinstall the game or possibly even do a reformat. Of course, you may also want to reset your modem and/or router as well.

My chipset doesn't have any pci-e drivers, only AGP and everything else is installed I believe.

I will do that whole shebang tonight, hopefully it will work. I have 6.8 installed now and it seems to be playing FEAR smoother so at least thats good.

-SZ

sorry. i lost the ability to ask ppl for frap results during my confrontation with akshyt and his SUCKY x1900xtx.

sorry OP. i apologize. that was rude of me. please provide benches from frpa showing the min,max,avg frams in the areas the game stutters.

 

[hmorphone]

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369


p.s. I had the same problem with my 7800gtx, what could explain that if it was catalyst AI doing it?

-SZ

Nvidia does also have "optimizations", they doesn't go by the same name though.

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: dug777
It amazes me that people continue to clutch to this bizarre belief that ATI are the only ones who ever have driver quirks

I've had plenty of minor (and a few major) driver quirks with both nvidia and ATI, and i'm extremely loth to say their either company is 'better' these days with regard to drivers. This is also the impression i get from *most* people who've actually used both companies in the last few years.

ATI driver issues have been well documented. If you only read video card reviews these may not be easily noticeable. While reading Mobo, Chipset, NIC, and even CPU (recent C2D) reviews, I still see comments like "Unfortunately ATI drivers are not compatible so we had to use NV cards", "It turned out the ATI drivers were the problem", "ATI cards don't support this yet", "ATI cards show severe performance loss, and we think it's the drivers", etc.

My recent example: I placed an order for X1950 yesterday and found out that there is no official drivers that support it as of yet. (CAT 6.9 came out the other day, btw) Do you find this acceptable?

I consider ATI top-line hardware to be superior to NV's. But as far as drivers/software goes, ATI has long way to go.

 

[lopri]

Now, ATI drivers' inferiority might not necessarily stem from their lazy programmers. It could very well be the product of NV's marketing. That is, it's very possible that NV sends out cards and resources for the developers so that they are made sure to use NV's cards. Whatever the case is, the end-user experience doesn't change.

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: josh6079

...install the AMD Dual Core Optimizer...

He has a single core CPU.

Whoops, thanks for catching that Josh.

 

[SpeedZealot369]

bump

 

[josh6079]

If you're using Tray Tools do this:

[*]Right click on a FEAR shortcut or launcher

[*]Go to properties

[*]Copy the "Target" path

[*]Open up ATT Game Profiles/Manage Profiles

[*]Put "FEAR" in the Profile name

[*]Paste the path you copied in the "Executeable" blank.

[*]Check "Direct3D to" and select "Custom Settings" in the blank to the right.

[*]Click "Edit"

This will bring you to the "Smoothvision/Performance/Refresh Rate Override" sections. I'm going to tell you how to set this up so that you have the exact same settings I have and have had even when I used that same monitor and same card. Do ONLY these steps, nothing more, nothing less.

There are two tabs, "General" and "Additional".

Under "General":

[*]Set Anti-Aliasing to "Application Controlled"

You can set the "Adaptive anti-aliasing" modes if you wish, it doesn't matter as far as screen tears and such.

[*]Set "Anisotropic Filtering" to 16x and check the "Enable High Quality AF" below it.

[*]Set "Wait for Vertical Sync" to "Always On"

Under "Additional"

[*]Set Catalyst A.I. to "Low"

[*]Make sure that the boxes "Support DXT texture format", "Support Bump Mapping", and "Geometry Instancing" are all checked and "Texture LOD Adjustment" is at "0". (Which they should be by default, but just incase they're not....)

Then go back into your main screen and under "Direct 3D tweaks" check the box "Force to use Triple-Buffers"

After you're done, your screens should look like this:

General Tab

Additional Tab

Direct 3D tweaks

This way now you have the correct method of Vsync and very close settings to what I used.

If that doesn't help, then I suggest the following:

Now, you're motherboard does too have drivers for the chipset. I don't know why they aren't on the disc that you've got. I'm assuming you have this motherboard?

If so, here is the correct driver download for your ULI Northbridge chipset. First on the list--Integrated 220, 10MB's.

If the problem still persits, reset your modem/router.

If still there, reinstall the game.

If still there reformat.

 

[SpeedZealot369]

will try that, thanks josh

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: josh6079
If you're using Tray Tools do this:

[*]Right click on a FEAR shortcut or launcher

[*]Go to properties

[*]Copy the "Target" path

[*]Open up ATT Game Profiles/Manage Profiles

[*]Put "FEAR" in the Profile name

[*]Paste the path you copied in the "Executeable" blank.

[*]Check "Direct3D to" and select "Custom Settings" in the blank to the right.

[*]Click "Edit"

This will bring you to the "Smoothvision/Performance/Refresh Rate Override" sections. I'm going to tell you how to set this up so that you have the exact same settings I have and have had even when I used that same monitor and same card. Do ONLY these steps, nothing more, nothing less.

There are two tabs, "General" and "Additional".

Under "General":

[*]Set Anti-Aliasing to "Application Controlled"

You can set the "Adaptive anti-aliasing" modes if you wish, it doesn't matter as far as screen tears and such.

[*]Set "Anisotropic Filtering" to 16x and check the "Enable High Quality AF" below it.

[*]Set "Wait for Vertical Sync" to "Always On"

Under "Additional"

[*]Set Catalyst A.I. to "Low"

[*]Make sure that the boxes "Support DXT texture format", "Support Bump Mapping", and "Geometry Instancing" are all checked and "Texture LOD Adjustment" is at "0". (Which they should be by default, but just incase they're not....)

Then go back into your main screen and under "Direct 3D tweaks" check the box "Force to use Triple-Buffers"

After you're done, your screens should look like this:

General Tab

Additional Tab

Direct 3D tweaks

This way now you have the correct method of Vsync and very close settings to what I used.

If that doesn't help, then I suggest the following:

Now, you're motherboard does too have drivers for the chipset. I don't know why they aren't on the disc that you've got. I'm assuming you have this motherboard?

If so, here is the correct driver download for your ULI Northbridge chipset. First on the list--Integrated 220, 10MB's.

If the problem still persits, reset your modem/router.

If still there, reinstall the game.

If still there reformat.

hey nice job!
I wish I was able to use ati tray tools with crossfire.