Pro Union? Anti Union?

[PlatinumGold]

i think in general, most ATOTers are anti Union, BUT

if you recently got a job at a Unionized company, would you join the Union?


just curious.

 

[PrinceofWands]

In general they are a good idea, and were a BIG part of the equation that built this nation and saved it's citizens. Unfortunately like all things with power they have become corrupted and abusive.

I'd join one, but I'd be very clear about the conduct I would accept from them, and what things I would back or participate in.

 

[PlatinumGold]

so, for those that would join,

what are the advantages of joining? wouldn't non union workers receive most of the same benefits?


for those that would not join,

what are the advantages of not joining, is it primarily the dues you would have to pay?

 

[Journer]

unions are the worst thing to happen to any company. period. they are never, ever good. they do more harm than they do good. look at the union of the states...if we were still a confederacy (like it should have been) things would be fine.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
so, for those that would join,

what are the advantages of joining? wouldn't non union workers receive most of the same benefits?


for those that would not join,

what are the advantages of not joining, is it primarily the dues you would have to pay?

There aren't necessarily immediate benefits (other than dues not being paid if you didn't join). The key is that you have power on your side should it ever be needed.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Journer
unions are the worst thing to happen to any company. period. they are never, ever good. they do more harm than they do good. look at the union of the states...if we were still a confederacy (like it should have been) things would be fine.

Spoken like someone who has never opened a history book.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Journer
unions are the worst thing to happen to any company. period. they are never, ever good. they do more harm than they do good. look at the union of the states...if we were still a confederacy (like it should have been) things would be fine.

Spoken like someone who has never opened a history book.

agreed.


unions have had their place. anyone that's studied any history at all knows this to be fact.

 

[Glavinsolo]

something that was needed before but now with business practices, minimum wage, workers comp, list goes on... its no longer needed

 

[KeithTalent]

I am anti union and would not join, in the industry that I am in. However, if I were in a different industry I may also have a different opinion.

KT

 

[Glavinsolo]

Originally posted by: Journer
unions are the worst thing to happen to any company. period. they are never, ever good. they do more harm than they do good. look at the union of the states...if we were still a confederacy (like it should have been) things would be fine.

PSST..






























The north won

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Journer
unions are the worst thing to happen to any company. period. they are never, ever good. they do more harm than they do good. look at the union of the states...if we were still a confederacy (like it should have been) things would be fine.

Spoken like someone who has never opened a history book.

agreed.


unions have had their place. anyone that's studied any history at all knows this to be fact.

Yep, but now that place is over and done with. There's nothing I hate more than dealing with union workers on the floor. Most think they are my boss.

 

[mugs]

I don't think unions exist in my industry. My raises have always been above the company average, I'm content with my pay and my working conditions, so I would feel no need to join a union. If I worked in a different industry, I might feel differently.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
so, for those that would join,

what are the advantages of joining? wouldn't non union workers receive most of the same benefits?

It is harder to get fired. The union will fight for you even if you're in the wrong. I've witnessed this many times.


for those that would not join,

what are the advantages of not joining, is it primarily the dues you would have to pay?

Well if you are clearly a superior employee to your coworkers but are low on the seniority latter you get shafted every single time. The lazy and incompetent get rewarded here. So if you bust your ass and work hard and expect to get rewarded for it you shouldn't join the union.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: mugs
I don't think unions exist in my industry. My raises have always been above the company average, I'm content with my pay and my working conditions, so I would feel no need to join a union. If I worked in a different industry, I might feel differently.

i just got a job with Verizon Fios, tech support for Fios. so ya, in IT there really isn't much as far as unions, but the telecom industry is unionized.

i'm curious as to what the union has to offer.

i haven't really made a decision yet whether or not to join the union.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
so, for those that would join,

what are the advantages of joining? wouldn't non union workers receive most of the same benefits?

It is harder to get fired. The union will fight for you even if you're in the wrong. I've witnessed this many times.


for those that would not join,

what are the advantages of not joining, is it primarily the dues you would have to pay?

Well if you are clearly a superior employee to your coworkers but are low on the seniority latter you get shafted every single time. The lazy and incompetent get rewarded here. So if you bust your ass and work hard and expect to get rewarded for it you shouldn't join the union.

so, union decides when you get promoted and not the company?

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Glavinsolo

Originally posted by: Journer
unions are the worst thing to happen to any company. period. they are never, ever good. they do more harm than they do good. look at the union of the states...if we were still a confederacy (like it should have been) things would be fine.

PSST....
...
The north won

PSST...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_Confederation

 

[KK]

I was union when I first hired on, was in it for 3-4 years before I went to management. Some things were good, but you could tell that they didn't have the pull they once did. It was more like a "us vs. them" mentality with the union, which was very counter productive. Since becoming management, I haven't worked any more than 8 hours a day for the most part, where as with the union, there was mandatory coverages that had to be staffed, therefore there was plenty of overtime to go around. Some weeks I'd have 40 hours in overtime. The money was nice, but now that I got kids, I'd rather be at home.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
so, for those that would join,

what are the advantages of joining? wouldn't non union workers receive most of the same benefits?

It is harder to get fired. The union will fight for you even if you're in the wrong. I've witnessed this many times.


for those that would not join,

what are the advantages of not joining, is it primarily the dues you would have to pay?

Well if you are clearly a superior employee to your coworkers but are low on the seniority latter you get shafted every single time. The lazy and incompetent get rewarded here. So if you bust your ass and work hard and expect to get rewarded for it you shouldn't join the union.

so, union decides when you get promoted and not the company?

As far as I've seen. Unless you go after a position within the company that is non-union. I could be wrong about this though, I'm sure there's more to it.

 

[sonambulo]

Depends on the industry. My family has a trade (construction related) union background and I agree with them, natch. There's plenty of corruption at the top but in the trades it's mostly just skimming which happens everywhere else (do not lie to yourself about this). There are plenty of other bullshit unions out there and we all know it; you really can't generalize and say all unions are either bad or good.

 

[HombrePequeno]

I definitely don't agree with closed shops. That's just a monopoly of the labor pool. I don't like too much about unions. They restrict labor mobility and drive up the price of labor.

I can see how they could be useful in developing nations (increasing safety & health standards) but in developed countries they are, for the most part, unneeded.

 

[TehMac]

I wouldn't. They'll just leech off of your hard work. Like they tried to do with mine. Complete leeches.

 

[FoBoT]

anti
but then i don't work in a unionized industry/occupation

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Glavinsolo

Originally posted by: Journer
unions are the worst thing to happen to any company. period. they are never, ever good. they do more harm than they do good. look at the union of the states...if we were still a confederacy (like it should have been) things would be fine.

PSST....
...
The north won

PSST...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_Confederation

Failed...miserably. It took multiple wars for people to even think of The United States as more than what state they were from.

 

[TheSiege]

ok first off, generalizing unions together is like generalizing all companies together. Each occupational union is different and so is each local. With that said I love my union, there are some things I would change but overall I love it. IBEW 354. Are unions needed in all areas of employment...maybe not. But I do strongly believe they are needed in construction. With construction being the largest workforce in America I believe the Unions and locals are better with the union. And I believe most union workers are thankful for their union and thankful they have them or else why would they be working for them?

edit: oh yeah here is my union thread

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...127010&highlight_key=y

 

[SirStev0]

P&N? Not P&N ... you tell me...

Keep your politics out of my neffing.