Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[sd]

Your right, the insult was uncalled for. My bad.

The MD I'm referring to was killed at the dinner table in front of his wife and children. His last words were, "They got me." "They" meaning the demonstrators that were in front of his clinic, intimidating him on a daily basis. Whether what he did for a living was right or wrong, he did not deserve to be killed.

I just can't see how you can compare him to an unwanted, unborn fetus.

 

[Pastore]

Pro-life

 

[poop]

Anti-Human.

Save the planet, kill yourself!

 

[Dameon]

SD-

Let me explain what I feel is most likely the mindset of those. It runs something like this:

If life begins at conception, fetus is alive.
If fetus is alive, abortion is murder.
If abortion is murder, then those who perform it are mass murderers.
If they are mass murderers, and police are doing nothing to stop it, someone has to stop the bloodshed.

That is "generally" their line of logic. Essentially, they equate it to the police being aware of Jeffrey Dahmer, and failing to do anything about it.

Corallary: You saying the fetus doesn't count to them because it isn't alive in their minds would be like the police saying, "well, Dahmers only riddin the world of a few fags that'll burn in hell anyway." (or die from AIDS, whatever) They find the term fetus just as nauseating as most people today find the terms i love you and great person. To them, calling an unborn child an "unpleasant inconvenience" is denying humanity to something they feeling is human.

They feel it is essentially denying humanity to someone strictly because they haven't emerged from the womb yet.

 

[Blackhawk2]

<<...I just can't see how you can compare him to an unwanted, unborn fetus.>>

IMO one life is as valuable as another. A baby's life is as valuable as the life of a 50 year old man/woman. It comes back to the question of wether you beleive the fetus is a separate living human being. If your idea of life is that you pop out of your mother and your instantly alive, so be it.

 

[Dameon]

* Personal note - not saying that I AGREE with that mindset / pattern of logic, but if you understand the thought pattern, you may have at least a chance of knowing WHY.

 

[Abomination]

One word: Freedom

(well I guess that would be 3 words hehhe)




<< fags that'll burn in hell anyway >>



lol, hell... that's a good one.

 

[sd]

Dameon: So according to that FU*KED UP mindset, 2 wrongs do make a right.

Blackhawk2: I see your point, but I respectfully disagree.

 

[Dameon]

sd - essentially, yes. Much as I'm sure most everyone here would view shooting a Nazi SS guard who was about to pour the cyanide pellets into a gas chamber would be a morally good thing, and heralded as a hero for saving the lives of those about to be executed.

Again, I'm not saying I agree with it, just trying to explain HOW and WHY they come to the assertion that the MD &quot;deserved to die&quot;.

 

[LadyJessica]

GirlFriday,

I wasn't looking for a fight. I was being ironic. poop got the message (I think).

Blackhawk2,

Your line of reasoning doesn't hold up. Those fags that Mr. Dahmer killed and ate were humans with their own needs, wants, etc. For a developing fetus, it is important to distinguish between the &quot;mostly conscious&quot; stage and the &quot;just a ball of cells&quot; stage. Why the two distinctions? Because humans, like many multicellular animals, have brains which give rise to consciousness. Now a newly conceived embryo does not have a brain. Does aborting it raise any issues? It shouldn't because it's not even conscious. At that stage it's more like removing a malignant tumor.

 

[Blackhawk2]

<<...Does aborting it raise any issues? It shouldn't because it's not even conscious...>>

LadyJessica what about a fully grown human who is in a comma? According to the same logic they shouldn't be alive either. Yet on occasion it has been reported that these unconscious humans reach out and grab ahold of a love ones hand. Simple reflex action? I doubt it.

 

[Yeeny]

GirlFriday, I wasn't looking for a fight. I was being ironic. poop got the message (I think).


Believe me, I caught the irony in your post. But what you said was clearly looking to make somebody mad. Posting your views is one thing, saying something that you know will make some people mad is another. I believe your post fell into the latter category. Just my two cents on the matter.

 

[Zucchini]

&quot;LadyJessica what about a fully grown human who is in a comma? According to the same logic they shouldn't be alive either. Yet on occasion it has been reported that these unconscious humans reach out and grab ahold of a love ones hand. Simple reflex action? I doubt it. &quot;

Well at some point the person was obviously capable of consciousness. I don't see a fetus as a scentient life form

 

[LadyJessica]

GirlFriday,

That often happens with irony.

Blackhawk2,

LadyJessica what about a fully grown human who is in a comma? According to the same logic they shouldn't be alive either. Yet on occasion it has been reported that these unconscious humans reach out and grab ahold of a love ones hand. Simple reflex action? I doubt it.

First of all, both an embryo and a fully developed human in a coma are living entities. The difference is that the person in the coma was once conscious and would probably prefer to return to that state (unless a DNR form was filled out). On the other hand, the embryo was never conscious in the first place.

 

[Zipperhead]

choice

 

[ManSnake]

Blackhawk 2,

If it is only our definition of the word &quot;living&quot; that differs, then I can respect your view on this issue.

However, I will tell you this, if you or anyone else try to force other people into not aborting a fetus just because you think it is &quot;murder&quot;, I can say with confidence that every righteous, rational person in United States will fight vigourously for his/her right to choose! If US were to ban abortion, then how different is it between us (supposedly a democratic country vs. that of a country controlled by a totalitarian regime?)

Banning abortion is threat our democracy, it is a threat to our freedom, it is a threat to our fundamental right to choose!!

 

[vi edit]

I didn't take the time to read the thread because most peoples opinions never change. It's a subjective belief, and nobody but themselves will persuade their belief otherwise.

But for shits 'n giggles I'll give you mine.

- I'll change my views on abortion when the government makes it illegal for a pregnant woment to smoke and drink while carrying child.

Until that day, I'll will remain pro-choice.

 

[Superwombat]

I'm 100% Pro-Cheese.

And nothing you say will change my mind.

 

[Blackhawk2]

<<..And nothing you say will change my mind>>

Thats not what I tryed to do. I wanted to present the other sides point of view. I respect your choice.

 

[Abomination]

Good point vi_edit. And Wombat, I also am Pro-cheese especially mozzerella cheese that's been microwaved for about 1 minute... now that's a high quality dinner all in itself. As for the argument. Freedom (there, that time it was one word ). If it was my body, I'd have a say.

 

[Format C:]

If you say that a woman has the right to choose what to do with her body then I'll certainly agree with you 100%. As long as you'll agree with me that she can do whatever she wants with any part of her body that she was born with or can keep inside her longer than nine months.

If it is NOT life that begins at conception then what is it? Just exactly what nice sounding term would you give to the process that is being terminated?

Yes, abortion is a symptom of a much bigger ill. The cheapening of and disrespect for the fundamental sanctity of life. Today it is the innocent unborn. Soon it will be euthanasia of the elderly and the infirm. Not long after it may be those who are somehow less than &quot;ideal&quot;. When will it be your turn?

 

[Dameon]

for all you of you that say &quot;it's my choice&quot; I hope you all support legalizing prostitution too... because that's a choice of what to do with &quot;a woman's body&quot;.

 

[Blackhawk2]

Yes I agree Red Dawn, all parties involved should have a choice, including the baby.
If you disagree with me thats fine.

 

[ArkAoss]

deleted a thread crap :| :| :|

 

[Rebels7]

In my opinion anyone who is deeply religious or a christian, can not be pro-choice. Except, in a case of rape or when it endangers the mother's life.