Pro-Choice or Pro-Life (to kill or not to kill?, should that be the question, is that the question?

[loosbrew]

<< Adoption is a good option for kids who become pregnant. Abortion can give them emotional turmoil the rest of their life. >>



you really need to read up on what pregnancy does to a girl.

loosbrew

 

[FettsBabe]

<< if laws are broken you pay the consequence. >>



They didn't break a law. They had a license to have the child. It wasn't their fault that twins were created. You cannot be a father or mother because a father or mother would not turn in their child to the gov. so they could murder it. You make absolutely NO SENSE AT ALL.

First off, I don't really go to church. I know what pregnancy does. I've read all about it because Psycho and I will probably have one later this year or next year.

If Scott Stapp is a BS'er then what does that make you? At least his song has meaning...

So, you are saying that a mother goes through more in nine months that a mother or father does by raising the child? I'm sure GF and Isla could tell you exactly how much harder it is to raise the child, worry about them, take care of them when they are sick, support them when they fail, and teach them right or wrong. Just ask a parent which is harder...I assure you its not the first nine months. Maybe you have a lot to learn.

Loos - You are hardly right, in fact, you are not even close

 

[convex]

pro choice with a twist... the mother gets her tubes tied at absolutely no cost... problem solved.

 

[Yeeny]

FettsBabe: I agree with you that adoption is a much better alternative. Hopefully if that ever (God forbid) happened to my daughter, I will have raised her to know she can come to me, and I will do anything I can to help her either raise her child or give it up for adoption. But what about the girls whose parents are telling them, if you get pregnant don't come home? What are they supposed to do, they cannot live on the streets, they are too young to get a job and support themselves. What is their alternative? That is what I always try to keep in mind with abortion, sometimes they really feel like they have no choice. And I know the decision should have been made before they had sex, and ultimately I agree. But it's just not always that way.

 

[loosbrew]

i do have a lot to learn. everyone always has a lot to learn. i do belive that woman go through a tremendous amount change in which they will never be the same after a pregancy. harmonal, chemical, and emotional. i want to point out that i never directly insulted anyone during this debate. its obvious(as always) that no two people will always agree on eveything. im sorry, but i cant say that i respect your opinion on this topic, but i can respect your right to your opinion. i guess im saying im done with this debate as i have to continue with my work and then go home and relax for a three day weekend. the best of luck to you and Psycho and youre future children.

Luis

 

[Thorn]

<< What are they supposed to do, they cannot live on the streets, they are too young to get a job and support themselves. What is their alternative? That is what I always try to keep in mind with abortion, sometimes they really feel like they have no choice. And I know the decision should have been made before they had sex, and ultimately I agree. But it's just not always that way. >>


I know, that's why I grudgingly support pro-choice through the first trimester... I still think convenience abortions are awful and wrong, but some concessions have to made. I accept it, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

 

[jobert]

>>then go home and relax for a three day weekend.<<

Is Monday a holiday?

What Holiday??

 

[FettsBabe]

In NC there are places for those teenagers to go that will help them with their baby. I don't know how it is in all states, but our state has wonderful organizations. There are even organizations that help the parents cope with a pregnant teenager. Apparently, the problem wasn't the child but the parents. Why must a baby die because of immature parents? Why must that teenager feel that she has to kill her baby (which she probably loves) to live with her parents? Why does she have to live with the &quot;what ifs&quot;? She doesn't in our state, but some women still use it as a form of birth control.

Have a good weekend Loos.

 

[loosbrew]

jobert,

unfortunately i work for the state of ct DEP, so i get every mentionable holiday off. monday is Lincolns BDay!

loosbrew

 

[jobert]

>>But what about the girls whose parents are telling them, if you get pregnant don't come home? What are they supposed to do, they cannot live on the streets, they are too young to get a job and support themselves. What is their alternative?<<

We have any number of non-profit organizations
in every state whose mission it is to help unwed
mothers. In fact in some states have so
many they compete with each other.

But to answer your question
(What are they supposed to do??)...
they are supposed to take responsibility
for their actions and get to work.
They are NOT supposed to flush the baby down
a toilet to avoid the next very difficult five years.

 

[Elledan]

Humans should be grown in growing chambers, not in a womb.

Problems solved:
> No more abortions
> No more 'unexpected' pregnancies
> No more women who die during pregnancy or birth
> No more women who have to carry their baby/babies around for months
> No more mating needed, which reduces jealousy between males => less violence out of rivality between males
> No more senseless discussions about abortion
> No more expensive and time-consuming marriages
> etc.

 

[jobert]

Loos...
Are you the guy who keeps
cleaning the drains on the WilburCross Pkwy.
during rush hour and causing all kinds of
jamups?

 

[Ornery]

That's pretty cool wxman, no soul eh? When does it get it's soul then? At what instant?

 

[MrPALCO]

<< to kill or not to kill?, should that be the question, is that the question >>


Killing for convenience is Sin.

 

[DannyLove]

GirlFriday: good point

 

[loosbrew]

<< Loos...
Are you the guy who keeps
cleaning the drains on the WilburCross Pkwy.
during rush hour and causing all kinds of
jamups? >>




LOL, nope...i work for the helpdesk! if i were on the pkwy i wouldnt have all this time to argue!

loosbrew

 

[Str8UpKiller]

Why is it that left over pizza tastes better then when its served hot and fresh?

 

[loosbrew]

because all of the flavors have had time to settle and mix. not to mention that the texture of the cheese is always nicer when it has been melted then reharden.

loos

 

[DannyLove]

LOL, haahha, ...... where that q come from?

 

[wxman]

The soul tests out its new body during the pregnancy, and then stays for good around the time of birth. What is there to do and learn while in utero?

Study the progress and lessons of the soul, and then this thread sounds like childern fighting in a school yard. In the eternal time frame, abortion is a non-issue.

Focus on what is important in YOUR life.

 

[SirFshAlot]

you really need to read up on what pregnancy does to a girl.

if it's so horrible and damaging, then why are so many women willing to go through it more than the first time to bring the joy of children into their lives?

I would guess that most of you that are pro-choice in this thread are not parents yet.
Your values are very different than those of us who treasure our roles of creating and parenting little lifeforms.

 

[TAsunder]

I don't have a whit of a clue what a battle of whits is, but I admit that your whit is superior to mine. I am sorry that you don't have a whit of understanding about what I wrote as well. I was only attempting to elaborate on someone else's point, but accidentally let slip in my psychopathic tendencies. I am not sure that what you stated was a fact, since the only statement you made was concerning the rules governing a battle of whits, and I'm pretty sure that someone with no arms could still win a battle of whits against someone else, depending of course on what a battle of whits is.

As for your question, I am a natural idiot. I am proud of this fact, as some people work all their lives to attain the status. In reality, it's probably more like regret as defined by Devito's character in The Big Kahuna...

I wish I had known where the promiscuous 13 year olds hung out when I was that age, would have probably made me more well-adjusted now.

Since I am male and therefore have not and probably will not ever get pregnant (at this point even getting laid anytime soon is seeming unlikely), it is hard for me to speculate about what things are like, but I'm sure we can all come up with averages, medians, extremes, and the like in the way of examples. I refer you to Mark Twain's w(h)itticism regarding statistics.

I'm sure I've met someone who got pregnant under the most vile and ludicrous circumstance, and I'm sure I've met someone who got pregnant due to being irresponsible. I personally am pro-choice because I do not believe our society has evolved enough to support all people who are pregnant, much less all people who have a child, or all children given up for adoption. We can say that we should value life all we want, and I in fact agree with this, but if we forsake the unfortunate and tell them what to do while we spit on them, maybe it's time to rethink our plan. That in fact is the crux of my theory about adoption, and I hope that I have the courage to adopt my first child instead of doing it the natural (in my case: idiotic) way.

 

[SirFshAlot]

That unborn body has no soul attached to it, so it really isn't an issue at all. No one is killed, and God's eternal plan goes on, without missing a beat.

how do you know this?
what are you privy to that the rest of the world isn't?
are you the second son of God incarnate?

 

[Elledan]

<<you really need to read up on what pregnancy does to a girl.

if it's so horrible and damaging, then why are so many women willing to go through it more than the first time to
bring the joy of children into their lives?>>

Because they're programmed to do so.

BTW I wouldn't call it exactly a 'joy' to 'bring children into their lives'. The parents (or at least the female) is programmed to think it's ok and nice. It's in the genes.

 

[Thorn]

<< Humans should be grown in growing chambers, not in a womb.

Problems solved:
> No more abortions
> No more 'unexpected' pregnancies
> No more women who die during pregnancy or birth
> No more women who have to carry their baby/babies around for months
> No more mating needed, which reduces jealousy between males => less violence out of rivality between males
> No more senseless discussions about abortion
> No more expensive and time-consuming marriages
> etc. >>


Quit horsing around and be serious. This is a joke, right?

If not, seek help. Soon.