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pro abortion fanatics inspired by satan.

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Let's get real. Most of the contributors here are male and pregnancy is a condition of the female body. Any or all women reading this have a perfect right to tell us to STFU. A woman's uterus is her domain, we might have opinions but courts this side of rampant paternalism tell us that a woman's body is her own.

But as the American lawyer/philosopher, Ronald Dworkin pointed out, people who claim rights also have duties. A woman who becomes pregnant by accident and wants a termination has that right but has a duty to make sure it does not keep happening. There is evidence (BBC radio 4, July 2013) of a very few women having as many as 8 abortions. This is exceptional but implies an awful want of imagination, to put it mildly.

So that statement gives you a hint about my view on early abortions. A single early abortion will have a long-term emotional impact on a woman. Given the vast array of contraception available in many western nations there is little excuse for a request for second or subsequent terminations, IMO. But then a physician might say that a woman who repeatedly asks for terminations is probably living such a chaotic life that she is the least able to be a good mother. The doctor then faces a eugenic dilemma. You can see how things pan out.

My ethics come from my culture, much like yours. I have soaked up Judeo-Christian values as a child and have rejected some of them as an adult. But they lurk in my sub-conscious telling me that "abortion is a bad thing". My intellect tells me "Yes it is, but it is sometimes necessary".

I saw the immensely brave Michelle Knight, one of Castro's Cleveland captives, describe her fight back to normality after a lost decade of false imprisonment. I have absolutely no idea of her attitude about pregnancy or abortion but whatever it is I demand her right to choose what is best for her.

Abortion is only morally permissible if it is conducted to save the mother's life, or if the woman was raped. A child ought not have to die because his or her parents engaged in consensual intercourse and felt their lifestyles threatened with the natural result.
 
Abortion is only morally permissible if it is conducted to save the mother's life, or if the woman was raped. A child ought not have to die because his or her parents engaged in consensual intercourse and felt their lifestyles threatened with the natural result.

Child <> Fetus.
It's like comparing a seed to a tree.
 
Child <> Fetus.
It's like comparing a seed to a tree.

No, comparing an egg or sperm to a human is like comparing a seed to a tree.

Comparing a child with 4 limbs and a body full of organs who happens to be in the womb to a born child is no stretch.
 
Abortion is only morally permissible if it is conducted to save the mother's life, or if the woman was raped. A child ought not have to die because his or her parents engaged in consensual intercourse and felt their lifestyles threatened with the natural result.

Not all protection works. Not all people will be good parents. Let them decide in the first 3 months.
 
No, comparing an egg or sperm to a human is like comparing a seed to a tree.

Comparing a child with 4 limbs and a body full of organs who happens to be in the womb to a born child is no stretch.

No - a seed is in fact an apt analogy.

A seed is fertilized - you do know that right? There is a pollination process before the seed is formed. The pollen is the equivalent of sperm.
 
How the hell would I know? One would think a child, or anyone in their right mind, prefers life to death, however short it may be.

To prejudge a child's quality of life, especially with the ulterior motive of wanting not to be inconvenienced by it, is barbaric.

It's not about the convenience/inconvenience. It's about what the Child is likely to endure. A short Life filled with pain can be considered inhumane by many.
 
It's not about the convenience/inconvenience. It's about what the Child is likely to endure. A short Life filled with pain can be considered inhumane by many.

I love the lack of short term thinking by some people in here.

"Let the child live - it's a child, even at 6 weeks!" Then the kid is born, because of dumb laws restricting abortion and cutbacks on funding for the clinic, lives a life of criminality because it grew up without a dad to a broke mom on welfare and deals drugs, joins a gang, then shoots some white people in a car jacking, then all of a sudden the same person protecting said child says "they ought to just put them in front of a firing squad".

Unwanted children oftentimes live pretty depressing / messed up lives. It's sad but true, and there is typically a good reason that the mother wants the abortion in the first place. People need to think deeper about the social ramifications of protecting every unborn fetus and then not giving a care about how the child grows up in a broken home.
 
Didn't see this posted yet. What does it say about the so-called "pro-choice" movement? Apparently some of them were quite vocal about their support for satan.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/pro-abortion-crowd-chants-hail-satan.html



He seems fair in granting that it's probably not the case that all proabortionists are satanists, but he also notes,



What do you guys think? Whether or not you think satan exists, the teachings attributable to him are pure evil.

I dunno, seems like a pretty one sided argument. Maybe Satan is being the bigger man and not being petty like god and his shit talking? Until the devil puts out his own book telling his side of the story how can we be sure?
 
I dunno, seems like a pretty one sided argument. Maybe Satan is being the bigger man and not being petty like god and his shit talking? Until the devil puts out his own book telling his side of the story how can we be sure?

Say what?
 
Abortion is only morally permissible if it is conducted to save the mother's life, or if the woman was raped. A child ought not have to die because his or her parents engaged in consensual intercourse and felt their lifestyles threatened with the natural result.

I have never understood this line of thinking from people who truly believe abortion is murdering an innocent child. Since when is it EVER acceptable or "morally permissible" to kill an innocent child simply because something bad happens to the childs mother? I mean, at least in my mind, if there is absolutely no gray area then there simply isn't any gray area and its murder. If its acceptable in certain situations then it can't be cold blooded murder. I just don't see how it can be both.
 
Say what?

God talks shit about Satan in the bible which the OP alludes to.

Since Satan doesn't have his own book its a completely one sided story.

How do we know that god isn't just talking shit in his book and that satan isn't taking the high road by not getting into a "tit for tat" argument?

Better?
 
I love the lack of short term thinking by some people in here.

"Let the child live - it's a child, even at 6 weeks!" Then the kid is born, because of dumb laws restricting abortion and cutbacks on funding for the clinic, lives a life of criminality because it grew up without a dad to a broke mom on welfare and deals drugs, joins a gang, then shoots some white people in a car jacking, then all of a sudden the same person protecting said child says "they ought to just put them in front of a firing squad".

Unwanted children oftentimes live pretty depressing / messed up lives. It's sad but true, and there is typically a good reason that the mother wants the abortion in the first place. People need to think deeper about the social ramifications of protecting every unborn fetus and then not giving a care about how the child grows up in a broken home.

Of course everything you are saying equally contradicts the pro-choice ideology. Perhaps more so.

I would rather have a child raised by a crackwhore that wanted an abortion, but was denied one instead of a child raised by a crackwhore that thought popping out a child was a good idea.
 
Of course everything you are saying equally contradicts the pro-choice ideology. Perhaps more so.

I would rather have a child raised by a crackwhore that wanted an abortion, but was denied one instead of a child raised by a crackwhore that thought popping out a child was a good idea.

What about a child raised by a gay man married to a toaster?
 
As a gay man and a toaster cannot reproduce together no matter how much hot hot toaster loving sex they have I don't think that is a concern.

Cloning... the future is now. But will the toaster have the right to abort the clone if their marriage ends in divorce during the incubation period?
 
God talks shit about Satan in the bible which the OP alludes to.

Since Satan doesn't have his own book its a completely one sided story.

How do we know that god isn't just talking shit in his book and that satan isn't taking the high road by not getting into a "tit for tat" argument?

Better?

Nope. Sorry. Try again.
 
Of course everything you are saying equally contradicts the pro-choice ideology. Perhaps more so.

I would rather have a child raised by a crackwhore that wanted an abortion, but was denied one instead of a child raised by a crackwhore that thought popping out a child was a good idea.

What if the child raised by the crackwhore wears a hoodie?
 
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