Privacy Ruling goes against Verizon - DMCA

[astartz]

There's a lot of us here that don't believe that downloading mp3s is stealing. The RIAA never actually made the mp3.. So what exactly am I stealing from them?

That is crazy

What if I steal $100 from the bank, The bank did not make the Bill so its not stealing.

What is I steal your hard drive. You bought it but you did not make it. The record lables pay the people who make music. If offspring want to give away there music them let them give it away for free once there contract with a record lable is up. We all know they will not do that as that will not make them money.

 

[astartz]

As to those that compare downloading music comparing it to stealing from Wallmart, it is not comparable because when you steal from Wallmart you have stolen a tangeble object and once you have stolen it they no longer have it. When you steal music by downloading it the owner of the music still has the music. They cannot be compared in this way.

Ok, what if you write a software program. Then I get your source code. Compile it and give it away for free is that stealing?

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: astartz
If some one stole a cd from a store and than ran into a office. The police will ask the people in the office where the people went.

This is kind of the same thing. Download copyrighted software is illegeal. I am no fan of the music industry but stealing is stealing.

nah

this is more kin to me copying a lot of music from CD to tape OR copying Music to tape off the radio and giving it to friends.

 

[human2k]

So they are going to punish two poor college students (more than likely)? Heck if they do convict them, lets all go support and protest for em!

 

[astartz]

this is more kin to me copying a lot of music from CD to tape OR copying Music to tape off the radio and giving it to friends.

More like you copying tapes or cd and giving it away to anyone who wants it. And that is illegal. You can not giveaway copyrighted materials for free.

So they are going to punish two poor college students (more than likely)? Heck if they do convict them, lets all go support and protest for em

What does them being poor college students have to do with it. That does not make it right. I can not affort a lexus so I dont drive one. I could steal one and say I am just a poor college student.

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
:|

looks like we're going to have to start using transparent proxies. and anonymous emails.

Oh, don't worry, I'm sure that DOJ will get both of those tools outlawed soon enough. I mean, only terrorists and pirates would want PRIVACY on the Internet, right?

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
:|

looks like we're going to have to start using transparent proxies. and anonymous emails.

Oh, don't worry, I'm sure that DOJ will get both of those tools outlawed soon enough. I mean, only terrorists and pirates would want PRIVACY on the Internet, right?

Privacy on the internet isn't the issue anymore - it's invisibility. People are looking for ways to be totally invisible and anonymous. Privacy doesn't conceal everything, only things that are appropriate to conceal. If you walk into a store and people look at your face, you stilll have your privacy. If you visit a site and they record your IP, you still have your privacy. You don't have your invisibility, which people seem to think is their right on the internet.

 

[damonpip]

Well it's obviously time that the media industry is going to have to change, and adapt to the internet. If you could purchase movies and music online to download for reasonable prices, I think many people would start to apy again. Music and movies on Kazaa are generally not the same quality that the media companies could offer, so I think many people would like to purchase the media. The problem is, the media companies will have to settle for lower profits than they were making with CDs and DVDs.

 

[her209]

I have a problem when the RIAA wants to see everything I send and receive from the internet.

 

[spanner]

I have a problem when the RIAA wants to see everything I send and receive from the internet.

My thoughts exactly. Its not like they won't stumble across other stuff apart from mp3s. I would be more comfortable if it were some goverment body doing this and not some association run by companies that want our money. I just see major conflict of interest here, I mean do you trust the entertainment industry to not invade your privacy if they could? Why can't they just go with the subscription service that both Kazaa and Napster were willing to go for?

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: astartz

this is more kin to me copying a lot of music from CD to tape OR copying Music to tape off the radio and giving it to friends.

More like you copying tapes or cd and giving it away to anyone who wants it. And that is illegal. You can not giveaway copyrighted materials for free.

So they are going to punish two poor college students (more than likely)? Heck if they do convict them, lets all go support and protest for em

What does them being poor college students have to do with it. That does not make it right. I can not affort a lexus so I dont drive one. I could steal one and say I am just a poor college student.

You work for a recording industry, don't you?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

I want to know what's so special about these two individuals that separates them from the rest of the millions of people out there involved in warez - including the thousands upon thousands on the Verizon network.

What makes these to so freaking special that the OompaLoompaPolice are going after them alone?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: astartz
If some one stole a cd from a store and than ran into a office. The police will ask the people in the office where the people went.

Actually this would be as if the police arrested anyone who didn't cooperate by telling them everything they know.

Which is also illegal. It's called "obstruction of justice"

 

[Oakenfold]

Where is the proof in all this?
Did I miss the part back in Jan when they actually said how they obtained evidence to make the accusation?

 

[astartz]

You work for a recording industry, don't you?

No, I am a network Admin for a software company.

 

[WhiteKnight77]

Originally posted by: astartz

this is more kin to me copying a lot of music from CD to tape OR copying Music to tape off the radio and giving it to friends.

More like you copying tapes or cd and giving it away to anyone who wants it. And that is illegal. You can not giveaway copyrighted materials for free.

Copying tapes CDs, albums is legal. Giving them away is legal. Selling said tapes IS illegal. The recording industry said the same thing about blank audio tape and the movie industry has said the same about blank video tape. I can record movies straight off of cable movie channels. I can watch them all I want and watch with friends. You can't charge people to watch the movie or sell them (and that could lead to counterfeiting charges for both audio and video.)

 

[Mallow]

this sux... internet privacy is going out the window... wonder if verizon is gonna appeal

 

[astartz]

Originally posted by: WhiteKnight77

Originally posted by: astartz

this is more kin to me copying a lot of music from CD to tape OR copying Music to tape off the radio and giving it to friends.

More like you copying tapes or cd and giving it away to anyone who wants it. And that is illegal. You can not giveaway copyrighted materials for free.

Copying tapes CDs, albums is legal. Giving them away is legal. Selling said tapes IS illegal. The recording industry said the same thing about blank audio tape and the movie industry has said the same about blank video tape. I can record movies straight off of cable movie channels. I can watch them all I want and watch with friends. You can't charge people to watch the movie or sell them (and that could lead to counterfeiting charges for both audio and video.)

I might be off on this but if I remember fair use laws let you shar a copy of a audio tape(or CD) for free with a PERSONAL FRIEND and FAMILY. Not eveyone on the net.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: astartz

There's a lot of us here that don't believe that downloading mp3s is stealing. The RIAA never actually made the mp3.. So what exactly am I stealing from them?

That is crazy

What if I steal $100 from the bank, The bank did not make the Bill so its not stealing.

What is I steal your hard drive. You bought it but you did not make it. The record lables pay the people who make music. If offspring want to give away there music them let them give it away for free once there contract with a record lable is up. We all know they will not do that as that will not make them money.

But....its not the Bank Managers job to go out and get the people who stole it. Its the job of the police to do that.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: astartz

this is more kin to me copying a lot of music from CD to tape OR copying Music to tape off the radio and giving it to friends.

More like you copying tapes or cd and giving it away to anyone who wants it. And that is illegal. You can not giveaway copyrighted materials for free.

So they are going to punish two poor college students (more than likely)? Heck if they do convict them, lets all go support and protest for em

What does them being poor college students have to do with it. That does not make it right. I can not affort a lexus so I dont drive one. I could steal one and say I am just a poor college student.

So...if someone bought a Lexus and then gave it too you, would you be stealing from Lexus?

 

[tcsenter]

I might be off on this but if I remember fair use laws let you shar a copy of a audio tape(or CD) for free with a PERSONAL FRIEND and FAMILY. Not eveyone on the net.

Actually the fair use statute permitting a copy applies only to computer software. This is to permit backups (copies) of entire systems and networks for data protection and disaster recovery, and allows the owner to make a backup copy of computer programs/software in the event the original disks are lost, stolen, damaged, etc.

There is no, and never has been, any sort of "fair use" exemption to make copies of music. Not since the days of vinyl, not since the days of cassette, not ever. Its a complete myth.

However, that's not to say that making a copy of your music for the same reasons is 'illegitimate' or 'immoral' just because the law doesn't expressly allow it. I used to buy a CD then dub it to cassette, because my car and portable stereos were cassette, so I would dub a CD to cassette then listen to the cassette in my car.

I also had several CDs stolen out of my [ex] girlfriend's car. I did not consent to transfer my rights to that music, it was stolen from me. So do I feel like I'm doing something 'immoral' because I might downloaded those albums or make a copy of a friend's CD instead of being forced to pay for them twice? Nope.