Prisoner Abuse Pattern: American Penchant for Homosexual Acts?

[Infohawk]

As more and more prisoner abuse stories come out, one of the oddest aspects is that American troops seem obsessed with homosexual acts. Moreover, they like to take pictures of the homosexual acts and naked men. Where did these interests come from?

I always thought the army promoted masculinity. Should we afraid that US reputation will be associated with homosexuality? Will US troops be seen not just as Western imperialists but now also as homosexual rapists by their prey?

What is your view view of this pattern?

And don't tell me they simply want to humiliate the Arabs. This goes beyond that. They are taking pictures for their own use and there are many ways to hurt people-- there is an intrinsic fascination with homosexuality among our troops. Why?

 

[alchemize]

Why is there an intrinsic fascination with homosexuality on this board? I can't begin to count the number of times someone has made homosexual slurs. Usually liberals.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Why is there an intrinsic fascination with homosexuality on this board? I can't begin to count the number of times someone has made homosexual slurs. Usually liberals.

:roll: Yeah...the "liberals" are the ones making slurs. The "liberals" are the ones opposing gay marriage. Yeah.

Go play in traffic.





Back on topic, I look at these guards as not much different from the "dumb jocks" back in our high school days. The ones who made the lewd, crude, Beavis and Butthead-type jokes. These people were left woefully understaffed to manage thousands of prisoners, received little or no training re:the Geneva Convention but also, apparently, had received orders/authorization/whatever to use abusive interrogation techniques.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Why is there an intrinsic fascination with homosexuality on this board? I can't begin to count the number of times someone has made homosexual slurs. Usually liberals.

Uh..Calling someone a Neocon isn't calling them a queer.

 

[Moonbeam]

Well in order to enter the kingdom of heaven your ego has to die and people left with out a living light always screw that up. They think that by torture and denial of want then can defeat the ego, but all they do is repress what is healthy and natural. So once the devil got religion all screwed up this way he could just sit back and laugh and watch the mechanical religious types destroy themselves in the name of God. Unfortunately, as a Christian nation we got a bad case of this. Sex and the body are really really bad. The repression that was built into our Calvinistic fundamentalist Christian heritage has lasted for generations and we, as a result are really hung up on sex. Sex, oh sweet sex you are the devil and homosexual sex is even worse. So our repressed hate of our bodies and our sexuality comes out as a fixation on sex. We either go apesh!t over it or look at it as sick. We have also to put down everybody who's healthy and having fun. We are a festering cesspool of unhealthy repressed sexual desire and it makes us every manner of perverts. And the fear, the fear of sexuality, makes us into a real mean mess. We are mentally ill and we want everybody to suffer just like us so we delight in sexual torture. We become what we repress and are what we fear. Try to get to the doctor as soon as you can. He is also sick and needs your help, at least more than likely.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Why is there an intrinsic fascination with homosexuality on this board? I can't begin to count the number of times someone has made homosexual slurs. Usually liberals.

Your post is inflammatory and off-topic. That said, as conjur noted, it seems hard to believe that that liberals (who are less likely to be homophobic given their positions), would be more apt to make homosexual slurs.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Homosexuality is considered a disgrace to many of the Muslim & third world countries.

By subjecting the prisoners to this treatment, they are having their resistance being broken.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Homosexuality is considered a disgrace to many of the Muslim & third world countries.

By subjecting the prisoners to this treatment, they are having their resistance being broken.

As I mentioned in my original post, I don't buy that argument. The troops are taking pictures and loving it. They're keeping the pictures for themselves. They could stick to killing and torturing them (which they are doing in part), but no: they want to see homosexual acts.

"Homosexuality is considered a disgrace to many of the Muslim & third world countries."
LOL. And it is not in the army? Let's not pretend the troops understand Muslim culture. As far as I can tell, portions US army are trying to create gay porn. If it was just to humiliate them, then they would keep the cameras off or destroy the recordings. No, they share them with their (gay?) friends.

If this continues the US army will become associated with homosexuality. (I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing, just that it is a reasonable consequence).

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Homosexuality is considered a disgrace to many of the Muslim & third world countries.

By subjecting the prisoners to this treatment, they are having their resistance being broken.

As I mentioned in my original post, I don't buy that argument. The troops are taking pictures and loving it. They're keeping the pictures for themselves. They could stick to killing and torturing them (which they are doing in part), but no: they want to see homosexual acts.

"Homosexuality is considered a disgrace to many of the Muslim & third world countries."
LOL. And it is not in the army? Let's not pretend the troops understand Muslim culture. As far as I can tell, portions US army are trying to create gay porn. If it was just to humiliate them, then they would keep the cameras off or destroy the recordings. No, they share them with their (gay?) friends.

If this continues the US army will become associated with homosexuality. (I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing, just that it is a reasonable consequence).

Step by step:
By forcing the acts, they are breaking the prisoners. Taking pictures is part of the process.
Many people can get a rush from seeing people doing abnormal things. It hightens their own perceived superiority.
The purpose of having the pictures later is a reminder on how the were able to exert control/bully the prisoners. It can show how much better "good" vs "evil" is. I do not like it, but that is the way of human nature.

Most of these troops out there are in their 20's. Age of machoism.

I do not think the Army will be associated with homosexuality. This is a unique situation that will be perceived in the context that it is happening

Remember it is not our troops which are doing the acts. Right or wrong, they are forcing others to do so to accomplish a mission.

 

[Infohawk]

I accept the core of your argument, but I don't agree with it. I still think there's a fixation on homosexuality on the part of our troops. The Japanese cut off eyelids, they didn't force them to have gay sex. They could have, but they didn't even though they had the same aims US troops do now. Dominate and own the enemy and break spirits.

"Remember it is not our troops which are doing the acts."
It's the choice of what they have others do that reflects on them. Cutting off people's fingers would suggest cruelty on the part of the torturers. Making prisoners have sex suggests homosexuality on the part of the prisoners.

(And thought it is off-topic, I don't think there is any misssion in Iraq [be it unofficial or official] that is dependant on the Iraqis having gay sex.)

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: alchemize
Why is there an intrinsic fascination with homosexuality on this board? I can't begin to count the number of times someone has made homosexual slurs. Usually liberals.

Your post is inflammatory and off-topic. That said, as conjur noted, it seems hard to believe that that liberals (who are less likely to be homophobic given their positions), would be more apt to make homosexual slurs.

Actually, the left also told me that the military are all recruited from trailer parks and ghettos. That also explains it.

 

[dahunan]

I personally do not believe the story of these reporters. I think they are lying. (honestly)

 

[ParStyles]

All I can say is:

Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I accept the core of your argument, but I don't agree with it. I still think there's a fixation on homosexuality on the part of our troops. The Japanese cut off eyelids, they didn't force them to have gay sex. They could have, but they didn't even though they had the same aims US troops do now. Dominate and own the enemy and break spirits.

"Remember it is not our troops which are doing the acts."
It's the choice of what they have others do that reflects on them. Cutting off people's fingers would suggest cruelty on the part of the torturers. Making prisoners have sex suggests homosexuality on the part of the prisoners.

(And thought it is off-topic, I don't think there is any misssion in Iraq [be it unofficial or official] that is dependant on the Iraqis having gay sex.)

The mission is not that the Iraqis msut have gay sex.
The mission is to extract information from the Iraqis. This is accomplished by wearing down there resistance to the point that they will provide up information to aviod another session.
I am sure that other prisoners may be wrapped up in pigskin.

Their culture fears embarassement/loss of face more than toture.
One targets the fears of the prisoner. Also, there is more knowledge about the internal mindset of the enemy.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I personally do not believe the story of these reporters. I think they are lying. (honestly)

Are you specifically talking about the Arab reporters or the US media too? Do you think the pictures were fabricated?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I accept the core of your argument, but I don't agree with it. I still think there's a fixation on homosexuality on the part of our troops. The Japanese cut off eyelids, they didn't force them to have gay sex. They could have, but they didn't even though they had the same aims US troops do now. Dominate and own the enemy and break spirits.

"Remember it is not our troops which are doing the acts."
It's the choice of what they have others do that reflects on them. Cutting off people's fingers would suggest cruelty on the part of the torturers. Making prisoners have sex suggests homosexuality on the part of the prisoners.

(And thought it is off-topic, I don't think there is any misssion in Iraq [be it unofficial or official] that is dependant on the Iraqis having gay sex.)

The mission is not that the Iraqis msut have gay sex.
The mission is to extract information from the Iraqis. This is accomplished by wearing down there resistance to the point that they will provide up information to aviod another session.
I am sure that other prisoners may be wrapped up in pigskin.

Their culture fears embarassement/loss of face more than toture.
One targets the fears of the prisoner. Also, there is more knowledge about the internal mindset of the enemy.

"I am sure that other prisoners may be wrapped up in pigskin."
Exactly. There are other ways to degrade the prisoners. I haven't heard of any pigskin stories yet. That's the point. I have heard of some other anti-muslim acts but for the most part it seems to be sexual depravity more than more religious degrading. When I see a gulf between the use of gay sex and pigskin, I attribute it to the interest of the soldiers.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: dahunan
I personally do not believe the story of these reporters. I think they are lying. (honestly)

Are you specifically talking about the Arab reporters or the US media too? Do you think the pictures were fabricated?

Pics not fabricated (unless you are talking about the rape pics)

Arab reporters forced to lick finger was fabricated

 

[Zephyr106]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: alchemize
Why is there an intrinsic fascination with homosexuality on this board? I can't begin to count the number of times someone has made homosexual slurs. Usually liberals.

Your post is inflammatory and off-topic. That said, as conjur noted, it seems hard to believe that that liberals (who are less likely to be homophobic given their positions), would be more apt to make homosexual slurs.

Actually, the left also told me that the military are all recruited from trailer parks and ghettos. That also explains it.

"the left"

Is this kind of like how Bush was told by God to wage war?

Zephyr

 

[Infohawk]

In the context of the real pictures we've seen, isn't it believable that the US soldiers would have been able to make them do that? If US soldiers forced men to have sex, I don't see why they would not have forced them to do this.

Would you have believed the other prisoner abuse stories had it not been for the pictures? I think it's safe to assume there's been a lot of abuse that just was not captured on film.

 

[Rogue]

Something that hasn't been mentioned at all in this inquiry of yours is with regards to the female soldiers involved. It's very possible that the female soldiers were driving the male-on-male actions themselves. It's a stretch to assume that all involved were acting out their homoerotic tendencies through these prisoners, but I can certainly see the female soldiers being more interested in seeing something like that than the average male soldier.

 

[Infohawk]

Rogue, I think your scenario is not realistic. I have NEVER met or even heard of a woman who was turned on by man-on-man sex. I do not think it is the equivalent of men enjoying lesbian sex. Studies have also shown that women are not as interested in pornography and visual displays of sexuality. In my experience, this is the kind of thing that men think up (and it's reasonable to wonder if it's something that in particular gay men think up).

 

[Steeplerot]

Rednecks/frat boys/football jocks -the most homophobic people you run into are the closeted gayest people of all it seems. .
couple of 6 packs and their blowing each other. (skinheads too)
Not surprised since these people are all into joining up in the military also.
Just repressed homoerotic stuff.
Nothing surprising.
Just letting off "steam" as Rush says

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

I am sure that other prisoners may be wrapped up in pigskin.

Their culture fears embarassement/loss of face more than toture.
One targets the fears of the prisoner. Also, there is more knowledge about the internal mindset of the enemy.

"I am sure that other prisoners may be wrapped up in pigskin."
Exactly. There are other ways to degrade the prisoners. I haven't heard of any pigskin stories yet. That's the point. I have heard of some other anti-muslim acts but for the most part it seems to be sexual depravity more than more religious degrading. When I see a gulf between the use of gay sex and pigskin, I attribute it to the interest of the soldiers.

Pigskin does not make good media news.
Sexual depravity is considered worse the religious. Challenges ones manhood/ego.

 

[Infohawk]

"Pigskin does not make good media news."
I disagree. Religious insults would be news. They were talking about making a guy put a shoe in his mouth. That's not very exciting but they reported it, because apparently it insults their religion. I would gamble there's more pictures of homoerotic stuff than religious stuff. I think it's reasonable to think this is because the soldiers are more interested in taking pictures of the gay stuff.

 

[EagleKeeper]

With most people not understanding the fear of pigs, it would take a lot of work to educate the audience.

Media needs impact 15 seconds blurbs. Pictures are worth a thousand words. Or what someone can relate to which assults their minds and creates a bizarre interest in the presentation.