Price cuts for 4800 series

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Wouldn't a 9800GX2 and a 4850x2 be very close to one another in performance?

I could be wrong but isn't a GX2 basically 8800GT SLI? If so then the 4850x2 is definitely faster since a single 4850 competes with the 9800GTX+.

its basically 8800gts 512mb sli on stick. the 8800gt has 112sp where as the 8800gts 512mb has all 128sp.

Then even with 8800GTS SLI (aka 9800GX2), the 4850x2 would still be faster since a single 4850 competes with a 9800GTX+ which is faster than a 8800GTS. And again this is assuming the 1GB version of the 4850x2 and not the 2GB which would be even faster at higher resolutions.

Anyone have a link for a recent review showing a 9800GX2/8800GT(S) SLI? I haven't seen one recently but I'm curious as to how fast it still is.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: apoppin

Yes but these are high end models that few people buy. The mid range market is where it's at!

These are the *prestige* cards that encourage people to buy the lower-end models

AMD has not gained any marketshare from their "success" .. somehow they are missing "where it's at"

Or AMD may have their current market share due to the price war they engaged in with Nvidia. I don't care what Nvida or AMD have at the $500+ price point if I'm looking to spend $250. What has the prestige part gained Nvidia? They've had two really bad quarters in a row after making money hand over fist prior to the 48x0 cards. I wouldn't say that the GTX285 or GTX295 are doing a whole lot for Nvidia either.

You ?

it's all about you now? 😛

Nvidia has NOT has 2 bad quarters
[bad pennies maybe]

AMD has had 2 bad quarters; their only profitable division is ATi; and they have NOT gained any marketshare - Nvidia is still entrenched with the OEMS and Notebook makers and they have the HIGH end

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: apoppin
AMD has had 2 bad quarters; their only profitable division is ATi; and they have NOT gained any marketshare - Nvidia is still entrenched with the OEMS and Notebook makers and they have the HIGH end

Simply having the "HIGH" end is a hollow victory when the GTX 295 is still sitting at $530 and the very close performing 2GB 4870X2 can be had for $350.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: apoppin

You ?

it's all about you now? 😛

Nvidia has NOT has 2 bad quarters
[bad pennies maybe]

AMD has had 2 bad quarters; their only profitable division is ATi; and they have NOT gained any marketshare - Nvidia is still entrenched with the OEMS and Notebook makers and they have the HIGH end

Yea, me. Considering I'm your average gamer, your average consumer who buys based on bang for the buck in a given performance and/or price range. Given that I'm probably your very average computer gamer I'm probably more representitive of how the average PC gamer consumer makes purchasing decisions than you.

Nvidia did have a few bad quarters now. With the mobile GPU issues they've had, the very large drop in revenue, and their lack of a profit lately where as before the 48x0 cards they made money left and right, it's safe to say that they haven't been doing so well lately.

Both AMD and Nvidia have parts all over the range, from integrated to the high end. Wouldn't you agree that the Dell XPS 730x H2C that costs $3600 and comes with a Raden 4870x2 is a high-end part?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: apoppin
AMD has had 2 bad quarters; their only profitable division is ATi; and they have NOT gained any marketshare - Nvidia is still entrenched with the OEMS and Notebook makers and they have the HIGH end

Simply having the "HIGH" end is a hollow victory when the GTX 295 is still sitting at $530 and the very close performing 2GB 4870X2 can be had for $350.

"close" only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades 😛

If you want the *top* performer; you pay for it

Hollow victory for who?

it just shows that Nvidia can *hold* their price; ATi has to discount it

and i better sell my X2 quick

make an offer .. best over $300 gets it
:thumbsup:

Yea, me. Considering I'm your average gamer, your average consumer who buys based on bang for the buck in a given performance and/or price range. Given that I'm probably your very average computer gamer I'm probably more representitive of how the average PC gamer consumer makes purchasing decisions than you.

there is nothing average about you
- you are a techie .. posting on a Video forum .. that is far from average

the AVERAGE joe wants the winner .. they ask the salesman at Best Buy, who has the fastest video card. They are impressed by that.

Than me? i have been buying computer HW since 1982. Yeah i am far from average - and i am extraordinarily bang for buck conscious

note my PC ... "ATi graphics"
- if i was highest end enthusiast, it would be i7/Tri-Sli

 

[LOUISSSSS]

the quality of posts in the video forums have gone down the drain.

i noticed mr apoppin likes to play word games and makes all arguments true by those means. there really isn't much discussion in these forums anymore which is why i stopped posting here also.

"it just shows that Nvidia can *hold* their price; ATi has to discount it"
orly? u sure the gtx260 price didn't drop at all due to the 4850/4870 success? nahhhhhhhh i doubt it

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: apoppin
note my PC ... "ATi graphics"
- if i was highest end enthusiast, it would be i7/Tri-Sli

You could do 4x4870 or 3x4890 also and get up to 3x285 performance. 🙂

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...way-sli-crossfire.html

3x285 doesn't win in every instance.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: apoppin
These are the *prestige* cards that encourage people to buy the lower-end models

AMD has not gained any marketshare from their "success" .. somehow they are missing "where it's at"

According to Jon Peddie Q4/08

Nvidia has held a slight edge in the desktop segment with a market share of 37.9%. AMD increased its market share on the desktop from 20.3% in the third quarter to 21.4% in the fourth quarter. Given, the tough circumstances of this quarter, AMD?s increase is no mean accomplishment.

So they did increase desktop marketshare. We will have to wait for the figures for Q1 09 to get a better idea on how much market penetration these cards (along with new cards liek HD4770) are getting due to recent discounts.

Total marketshare paints a different obviously (since it includes mobile/non-discrete etc), especially when apple chose nVIDIA IGPs instead of intels for there next generation Mac series. A huge design win and a huge boost to marketshare for sure.

edit - forgot to include the word "win" 😱

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: apoppin
AMD has had 2 bad quarters; their only profitable division is ATi; and they have NOT gained any marketshare - Nvidia is still entrenched with the OEMS and Notebook makers and they have the HIGH end

Simply having the "HIGH" end is a hollow victory when the GTX 295 is still sitting at $530 and the very close performing 2GB 4870X2 can be had for $350.

"close" only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades 😛

If you want the *top* performer; you pay for it

Hollow victory for who?

it just shows that Nvidia can *hold* their price; ATi has to discount it

and i better sell my X2 quick

make an offer .. best over $300 gets it
:thumbsup:

Yea, me. Considering I'm your average gamer, your average consumer who buys based on bang for the buck in a given performance and/or price range. Given that I'm probably your very average computer gamer I'm probably more representitive of how the average PC gamer consumer makes purchasing decisions than you.

there is nothing average about you
- you are a techie .. posting on a Video forum .. that is far from average

the AVERAGE joe wants the winner .. they ask the salesman at Best Buy, who has the fastest video card. They are impressed by that.

Than me? i have been buying computer HW since 1982. Yeah i am far from average - and i am extraordinarily bang for buck conscious

note my PC ... "ATi graphics"
- if i was highest end enthusiast, it would be i7/Tri-Sli

dude some of your posts dont make sense.

"close" is enough for frame rates. you can't tell the differece between 25 and 27fps, nor can you tell between 50 and 55fps, nor between 100 and 105fps. close is good enough.

if i want the top performer i pay for it? huh? isn't that obvious? but how many % of PC users are willing to pay the premium for something not much better than 2nd best? a few %?

nvidia definitely had to discout their cards due to the success of the ati 4850/4870. ati doesn't need to lower prices and they didn't, their prices dropped pretty normally, not super fast like the price of the gtx260

sell your x2 quick? why? who cares?

again, apop is just an example of how the quality posts of Anandtech has dropped a lot and why this forum is going down

 

[MrX8503]

AMD has already stated that their strategy for the Radeon cards was to have cheaper slower cards, then pair them up in crossfire to compete.

So far this has proven a successful strategy because although the 4850/4870/4890 are not as powerful as the GTX series, in crossfire the ati cards are more powerful and cheaper.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Originally posted by: MrX8503
AMD has already stated that their strategy for the Radeon cards was to have cheaper slower cards, then pair them up in crossfire to compete.

So far this has proven a successful strategy because although the 4850/4870/4890 are not as powerful as the GTX series, in crossfire the ati cards are more powerful and cheaper.

duh, some people r just too retarded to understand that after a year.

"omg gtx 285 is the fastest single gpu blah blah gotta have it"

 

[dev0lution]

Originally posted by: MrX8503
AMD has already stated that their strategy for the Radeon cards was to have cheaper slower cards, then pair them up in crossfire to compete.

So far this has proven a successful strategy because although the 4850/4870/4890 are not as powerful as the GTX series, in crossfire the ati cards are more powerful and cheaper.

You would think so, but the lack of crossfire profiles and support for titles at launch makes this somewhat of PR spin at best.

If you can't afford to invest in a larger more powerful chip, your "strategy" is to build smaller ones by default (if you have half a brain). If you haven't had the best perf in ages, you probably want to steal back some marketshare with cheaper prices too.

Backing that up with an actual investment in ensuring that multi-GPU worked flawlessly might sell the smaller/faster/multi-gpu strategy, but that hasn't happened.

 

[BenSkywalker]

I believe you're mistaken. A quick glance shows the following prices. These are the cheapest of each model on Newegg at the moment.

Geforce GTX 260 $164/ 144.99 After Rebate
Geforce GTX 260 Core 216 $179.99
Geforce GTX 275 $219.99
Geforce GTX 280 $264.99
Geforce GTX 285 $314.99
Geforce GTX 295 $529.99


Radeon HD 4870 1GB $159.99/ $139.99 after rebate
Radeon HD 4890 $199.99/ $179.99 after rebate
Radeon HD 4850x2 2GB $249.99/ $239.99 after rebate
Radeon HD 4870x2 $379.99/ $369.99 after rebate

Core 216 $149.99 AR, a quick glance at NewEgg showed half a dozen boards cheaper then what you quoted, $155 AR for a 650MHZ version. 280 for $245 AR. 285 for $285 AR.

Not trying to say that nV is cheaper, but is there really a need to add $20-$30 to the nV board over what NewEgg has them listed at?

Q1 09 numbers-

According to Mercury's numbers for worldwide shipments, NVIDIA has a 66 per cent share of the discrete market, up from 63 per cent in Q4 2008. It's worth repeating that the percentages refer to shipments and not value, so it's safe to infer that NVIDIA outships AMD-ATI by a factor of least 2:1, if the numbers are correct: selling is a different matter, of course.

Link. Right now, for whatever reason, nVidia is mopping the floor with ATi in terms of marketshare and has been this entire round.

 

[zebrax2]

come on guys, why does it have it turn to this. can't we just all be happy? its a freaking price drop. as for what all of you are arguing just let it slide or if it can't be helped create another topic with an appropriate title

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

I believe you're mistaken. A quick glance shows the following prices. These are the cheapest of each model on Newegg at the moment.

Geforce GTX 260 $164/ 144.99 After Rebate
Geforce GTX 260 Core 216 $179.99
Geforce GTX 275 $219.99
Geforce GTX 280 $264.99
Geforce GTX 285 $314.99
Geforce GTX 295 $529.99


Radeon HD 4870 1GB $159.99/ $139.99 after rebate
Radeon HD 4890 $199.99/ $179.99 after rebate
Radeon HD 4850x2 2GB $249.99/ $239.99 after rebate
Radeon HD 4870x2 $379.99/ $369.99 after rebate

Core 216 $149.99 AR, a quick glance at NewEgg showed half a dozen boards cheaper then what you quoted, $155 AR for a 650MHZ version. 280 for $245 AR. 285 for $285 AR.

Not trying to say that nV is cheaper, but is there really a need to add $20-$30 to the nV board over what NewEgg has them listed at?

Q1 09 numbers-

According to Mercury's numbers for worldwide shipments, NVIDIA has a 66 per cent share of the discrete market, up from 63 per cent in Q4 2008. It's worth repeating that the percentages refer to shipments and not value, so it's safe to infer that NVIDIA outships AMD-ATI by a factor of least 2:1, if the numbers are correct: selling is a different matter, of course.

Link. Right now, for whatever reason, nVidia is mopping the floor with ATi in terms of marketshare and has been this entire round.

What I listed there was what I found exactly at the time I was searching. I sorted by price and noted the price of whatever was at the top. I didn't check if anything was out of stock or anything like that, which is probably the case here.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: zebrax2
come on guys, why does it have it turn to this. can't we just all be happy? its a freaking price drop. as for what all of you are arguing just let it slide or if it can't be helped create another topic with an appropriate title

Yeah its pretty sad when a topic about a price drop gets derailed by "Nvidia has the absolute top card" :roll:

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
the quality of posts in the video forums have gone down the drain.

i noticed mr apoppin likes to play word games and makes all arguments true by those means. there really isn't much discussion in these forums anymore which is why i stopped posting here also.

+1

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Originally posted by: zebrax2
come on guys, why does it have it turn to this. can't we just all be happy? its a freaking price drop. as for what all of you are arguing just let it slide or if it can't be helped create another topic with an appropriate title

Yeah its pretty sad when a topic about a price drop gets derailed by "Nvidia has the absolute top card" :roll:

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
the quality of posts in the video forums have gone down the drain.

i noticed mr apoppin likes to play word games and makes all arguments true by those means. there really isn't much discussion in these forums anymore which is why i stopped posting here also.

+1

Second post in this thread was the kickoff play. Post #3 jumped on the fumble. If anyone wanted to know why it has to turn into this, it's little benign posts that escalate. Usually.

OT: I think it's great about the price cuts. It's pretty unbelievable what GPU power you can get for so little today. From both camps.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: apoppin
AMD has had 2 bad quarters; their only profitable division is ATi; and they have NOT gained any marketshare - Nvidia is still entrenched with the OEMS and Notebook makers and they have the HIGH end

Simply having the "HIGH" end is a hollow victory when the GTX 295 is still sitting at $530 and the very close performing 2GB 4870X2 can be had for $350.

"close" only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades 😛

If you want the *top* performer; you pay for it

Hollow victory for who?

it just shows that Nvidia can *hold* their price; ATi has to discount it

and i better sell my X2 quick

make an offer .. best over $300 gets it
:thumbsup:

Yea, me. Considering I'm your average gamer, your average consumer who buys based on bang for the buck in a given performance and/or price range. Given that I'm probably your very average computer gamer I'm probably more representitive of how the average PC gamer consumer makes purchasing decisions than you.

there is nothing average about you
- you are a techie .. posting on a Video forum .. that is far from average

the AVERAGE joe wants the winner .. they ask the salesman at Best Buy, who has the fastest video card. They are impressed by that.

Than me? i have been buying computer HW since 1982. Yeah i am far from average - and i am extraordinarily bang for buck conscious

note my PC ... "ATi graphics"
- if i was highest end enthusiast, it would be i7/Tri-Sli

dude some of your posts dont make sense.

"close" is enough for frame rates. you can't tell the differece between 25 and 27fps, nor can you tell between 50 and 55fps, nor between 100 and 105fps. close is good enough.

if i want the top performer i pay for it? huh? isn't that obvious? but how many % of PC users are willing to pay the premium for something not much better than 2nd best? a few %?

nvidia definitely had to discout their cards due to the success of the ati 4850/4870. ati doesn't need to lower prices and they didn't, their prices dropped pretty normally, not super fast like the price of the gtx260

sell your x2 quick? why? who cares?

again, apop is just an example of how the quality posts of Anandtech has dropped a lot and why this forum is going down

Didn't they just ban or warn you in the garage for useless attacking posts?
- i believe you are the bad example of not contributing anything useful here 😛

i am again afraid you do not understand my post. AMD *has* lowered prices on its 4870-X2. It has been eclipsed.

i certainly can tell the difference between 27 and 25 FPS. Perhaps "close" is good enough for you - but NOT for the highest end enthusiast - where Nvidia has the market sewn up
^^^that IS the point^^^

As to "price drops" - they are wonderful
- New stock is coming .. is this any surprise?
😕

 

[BenSkywalker]

I sorted by price and noted the price of whatever was at the top. I didn't check if anything was out of stock or anything like that, which is probably the case here.

Nope, none of them have been out of stock at all. The prices you listed are still the top ones when you hit search by price. Scroll down 😉

 

[Nemesis 1]

On the price cuts thing. I like a good deal as well as the next guy . But these pricies are giving me cause for concern . AMD ATI NV IBM SONY Intel all need $$$$$ for research to develop future tech. The margins today are killing research $$$. Which in turn leads to stagnation . I like the pricies. But am hurting myself tomorrow for cheap pricies today?

 

[Wreckage]

Take it with a grain of salt as it's from Fudzilla, but they claim the GTS250 is selling "like mad".
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/14131/1/

This could be a reason for the ATI price cuts.

Not that anyone should care as long as they get a cheaper card. Personally I don't see any DX11 cards until at least the end of October, so both companies need to do something to hold customer interest.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
again, apop is just an example of how the quality posts of Anandtech has dropped a lot and why this forum is going down

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
duh, some people r just too retarded to understand that after a year.

"omg gtx 285 is the fastest single gpu blah blah gotta have it"

Is just hard for some people to understand that the cheaper, smaller 269mm2 die size chip with 956m tranees is nipping the heels or is as fast as the much bigger, 576mm2, 1.4B GTX 2xx card. That thanks to such success, they can enjoy much better competitive prices with their GTX series cards or even both camps, getting so much power for so much little money today is an incredible accomplishment.

But like SunnyD stated, Anand forums are only for two things, to bash AMD and defend nVidia.

That's why you always see AMD threads being derailed by nVidia marketing propaganda. :disgust:

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: apoppin
close" only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades

If you want the *top* performer; you pay for it

Okay, I'll bite. So in your opinion, to get the *top* performer, consumers should be willing to pay any price? In your opinion, are the few extra FPS of the GTX295 worth an additional $180 over the price of the 2GB 4870X2? Value has to enter into the equation at some point.

Originally posted by: apoppin
Hollow victory for who?

it just shows that Nvidia can *hold* their price; ATi has to discount it

You're starting to sound like Rollo now. I remember the time he proclaimed that the 7800GTX was "underpriced" at $750 because some people on ebay paid more than that.

The fact is that the 4870X2 has nearly the same performance level as the GTX295, yet is $180 cheaper. Stop and think about that for a second. For the price of a single GTX295, you can get both a 2GB 4870X2 and an HD4890 (which is no slouch itself).

Kinda puts things in perspective, doesn't it?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
again, apop is just an example of how the quality posts of Anandtech has dropped a lot and why this forum is going down

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
duh, some people r just too retarded to understand that after a year.

"omg gtx 285 is the fastest single gpu blah blah gotta have it"

Is just hard for some people to understand that the cheaper, smaller 269mm2 die size chip with 956m tranees is nipping the heels or is as fast as the much bigger, 576mm2, 1.4B GTX 2xx card. That thanks to such success, they can enjoy much better competitive prices with their GTX series cards or even both camps, getting so much power for so much little money today is an incredible accomplishment.

But like SunnyD stated, Anand forums are only for two things, to bash AMD and defend nVidia.

That's why you always see AMD threads being derailed by nVidia marketing propaganda. :disgust:

So, what are you doing that is any different than AMD marketing propaganda?

You are right in a couple of points .. but "nipping at the heels" is not "as fast" .. nor does a "cheaper smaller die" make ANY difference to ANYONE - *except* Nvidia and AMD
--Nor does it impact market share - obviously - as AMD is not gaining any 😛

We ALL love the price cuts; we also love discussion.
--What is the big deal with that? You want an "ALL ATI" forum .. i think they have those

nothing is hard for me to understand - i own both AMD and Nvidia; here are my current cards:

ASUS HD 4870-1GB
VT HD 4870-X2
Diamond HD 4870-XOC
HiS HD 4890
VT HD 2900XT

BFG GTX 280
Palit 9800GT
Galaxy GTS 250
8800 GTX reference
[and i expect to get a GTX 275 next week]

i LOVE them all; they each have their place

AtM Nvidia has the highest end; AMD competes on price and uses CrossFireX to attempt to match the higher performing Nvidia GPUs

each company employs a different strategy against each other
--resulting in LOWER prices for us [!!]

You're starting to sound like Rollo now. I remember the time he proclaimed that the 7800GTX was "underpriced" at $750 because some people on ebay paid more than that.

You can come visit him anytime you like; i think you forgot how he talks - i deal with that Nvidia troll every single day 🙁

Okay, I'll bite. So in your opinion, to get the *top* performer, consumers should be willing to pay any price? In your opinion, are the few extra FPS of the GTX295 worth an additional $180 over the price of the 2GB 4870X2? Value has to enter into the equation at some point.

Sure value does enter it - FOR ME !!!
-look at what is in my PC .. *value*

you miss the point in your zeal to defend ATi .. the HIGHEST end user - who games at 25x16 with an Overclocked i7 will choose Nvidia over AMD. 😉

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Nor does it impact market share - obviously - as AMD is not gaining any 😛

Oh yeah I forgot, the HD 4x00 is such a failure. The GTX series is outselling the HD 4x00 in a ratio of 100:1

/END SARCASM

Most of nVidia's market share comes from their great success of the GeForce 8 series of cards and their low end 8600 series which comes in almost every laptop sold. Today the nVidia's best selling card is the GTS 250, not the GTX series.