Price cuts for 4800 series

[dguy6789]

4890 atomic edition is definitely better than the GTX 285.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Its winning on most peoples books.

I second that, also a HD 4890 at 1GHz can rival the GTX 285 at stock speeds and sometimes outperform it like in some games. You could also overclock the GTX 285, but those OCED editions are even more expensive and don't offer you enough justification to pay such premium price.

apoppin: You used to be a very neutral person, I used to remember when you defended strongly your X1950PRO AGP and your HD 2900XT against the adversity who are thinkin the same as you now, that the high end matters the most, even though those cards that I mentioned weren't the fastest cards of their times.

The "N" team is draggin you to their grasp. A pity, because the people which are unbiased are decreasing in number. Who cares if nVidia has the fastest card known as the GTX 295? If in the end it's a multi GPU solution like the HD 4890 in Crossfire or the HD4870X2 which runs faster in higher resolutions with lots of anti aliasing quite often because it won't run out of VRAM that fast and also ATi has faster 8x FSAA. The ultra high end is a very niche market, I could say that the Roll Royce and Lamborghini has the biggest market share because they own the most expensive cars in the world right?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
You keep changing the criteria and ignoring people. Would you say that AMD does or does not have anything that could be considered faster than the GTX295? I don't care if you are selling your trifire or building 5 more rigs based on it. The GTX295 is a great card, no doubt about it. It has it's place in the market. But I'm willing to bet that 3 4870 1GB cards will put up a good fight, even be faster a lot of the time than a GTX295. They also cost a bit less. They also use up more power and probably put out a lot of heat. But we're just taking about speed here.

So the GTX285, we're talking about single GPU? We're talking about at it's price piont? We're talking about GPU's who's designer starts with the letter 'N'? 🙂 Everything I've seen shows that a factory overclocked 4890 would be as fast as a GTX285. A 4850x2 will be generally as fast to faster and save you $100 in the process.

i am ignoring idle speculation
changing the criteria for what? .. i am talking PURE PERFORMANCE

i *guarantee* that my Tri-Fire [either 4870-X2 + 4870 or 4870-X2 + 4890] is slower than my pair of overclocked HD4890s on many occasions
[i ALSO have a HiS 4890 and a Diamond 4890-XOC - both running at Diamonds OC of 925/1050]
--so there goes your theory about TriFire even being faster than a pair of Ocerclocked 4890s 😛

a 4890 - even the "Atomic" does not match GTX285 [which can be overclocked also ]

. . . and your 4850-X2 has issues at the resolutions that GTX285 excels at .. when it scales

Alright man, I don't want to argue with you... so whatever you say. I'll sum up your points as the best I understand them.

*If you want budget/bang for the buck, you buy AMD.
*If you want absolute performance you buy Nvidia.
*AMD has no parts that are capable of competing with the GTX285.
*AMD has no parts that are capable of competing with the GTX295.
*If you have a no-compromise attitude, you pick Nvidia... it's black & white.

This sound silly to anyone else?

 

[LOUISSSSS]

hmm debating: 4890 once price drop hits or wait and get price gouged on 5xxx series

i will be using vid card for 2 years, what do u guys think i should do?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
You keep changing the criteria and ignoring people. Would you say that AMD does or does not have anything that could be considered faster than the GTX295? I don't care if you are selling your trifire or building 5 more rigs based on it. The GTX295 is a great card, no doubt about it. It has it's place in the market. But I'm willing to bet that 3 4870 1GB cards will put up a good fight, even be faster a lot of the time than a GTX295. They also cost a bit less. They also use up more power and probably put out a lot of heat. But we're just taking about speed here.

So the GTX285, we're talking about single GPU? We're talking about at it's price piont? We're talking about GPU's who's designer starts with the letter 'N'? 🙂 Everything I've seen shows that a factory overclocked 4890 would be as fast as a GTX285. A 4850x2 will be generally as fast to faster and save you $100 in the process.

i am ignoring idle speculation
changing the criteria for what? .. i am talking PURE PERFORMANCE

i *guarantee* that my Tri-Fire [either 4870-X2 + 4870 or 4870-X2 + 4890] is slower than my pair of overclocked HD4890s on many occasions
[i ALSO have a HiS 4890 and a Diamond 4890-XOC - both running at Diamonds OC of 925/1050]
--so there goes your theory about TriFire even being faster than a pair of Ocerclocked 4890s 😛

a 4890 - even the "Atomic" does not match GTX285 [which can be overclocked also ]

. . . and your 4850-X2 has issues at the resolutions that GTX285 excels at .. when it scales

Alright man, I don't want to argue with you... so whatever you say. I'll sum up your points as the best I understand them.

*If you want budget/bang for the buck, you buy AMD.
*If you want absolute performance you buy Nvidia.
*AMD has no parts that are capable of competing with the GTX285.
*AMD has no parts that are capable of competing with the GTX295.
*If you have a no-compromise attitude, you pick Nvidia... it's black & white.

This sound silly to anyone else?

Whatever i say ?
😛

That sounds silly
😀

.. but your summary is not totally accurate .. ATi *does* have "parts" that compete with Nvidia - 4870-X2 certainly is faster than GTX 285 but just falls short of GTX 295. There is no single GPU in AMD's camp that directly competes with GTX 285; 4890 competes with GTX 275.

So it is just the highest end and in two "categories" that AMD lacks
--Compared to 2900XT days, AMD/ATi has come a long way
:thumbsup:

i still have my 2900xt; i am testing with it now at 14x9 - i'm comparing it to 9800GT/8800GTX and GTS 250

 

[Cookie Monster]

Not sure why your ignoring the sapphire 4890 Atomic, because that competes against the GTX285 nicely. This proves that a single GPU from AMDs camp can directly compete against the GTX285.

 

[dguy6789]

I wouldn't have the Atomic in general discussion because that card is in extremely limited supply. Not everyone who wants one can get one like they could regular production cards.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Not sure why your ignoring the sapphire 4890 Atomic, because that competes against the GTX285 nicely. This proves that a single GPU from AMDs camp can directly compete against the GTX285.

Yea, it competes against a stock 285.

In case you are forgetting, you can OC/OV GT200 very nicely as well.


Also, nV is about to have the top 2 cards, 295 + ASUS 2X285

And the 9800GX2 still ranks above everything except the 4890 on the ATi side.

http://www.hardware-infos.com/grafikkarten_charts.php

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Not sure why your ignoring the sapphire 4890 Atomic, because that competes against the GTX285 nicely. This proves that a single GPU from AMDs camp can directly compete against the GTX285.

i am not ignoring it.

1) It is a limited-supply specialty card that will still meet GTX 275 O/C'd specialty versions

2) You can also overclock the GTX 285 to maintain its performance dominance

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Why is there even debate over which company is winning? The biggest concern here should be that this is great news for us, the consumers...right now we're all winning because we all have excellent products to choose from at any price point. Price cuts and new hardware will only make things even better. Now if we could only achieve a unified physics acceleration solution (ie nVidia controlled PhysX is not the answer), PC gaming would really start to see some good times.

 

[ExcaliburMM]

I'm thinking maybe I'll pick up a second HD4870 1GB and put it on a nice new DFI X48. Then all I need is a 2x2GB kit of RAM, an E8xxx. But then I'm going to need a bigger monitor, oh dear. The cost of being obsessed. Well, at least SC2 will be at my beck and call at a nice 1900x1200 if all goes well. 🙂

 

[zebrax2]

oh dear god! let this sweet competition continue forever.

 

[nemesismk2]

Wow these 4800 series price cuts sound exciting, here comes my 4890! 😀

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: OCguy
And the 9800GX2 still ranks above everything except the 4890 on the ATi side.

http://www.hardware-infos.com/grafikkarten_charts.php

Could you link a review that shows the GX2 ranking above everything ATI except a 4890 at all resolutions?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: OCguy
And the 9800GX2 still ranks above everything except the 4890 on the ATi side.

http://www.hardware-infos.com/grafikkarten_charts.php

Could you link a review that shows the GX2 ranking above everything ATI except a 4890 at all resolutions?

Wouldn't a 9800GX2 and a 4850x2 be very close to one another in performance?

 

[SunnyD]

Yay, just means I'll be able to get a second 4890 cheaper than the $180 I paid for my first one! I <3 AMD!

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Wouldn't a 9800GX2 and a 4850x2 be very close to one another in performance?

If the HD 4850X2 is faster than the GTX 280 which is slower than the 9800GX2, then yes, the 9800GX2 performs close to the HD4850X2 512MB, because the 1GB version is faster and much better suitable for high resolution gaming.

 

[ibex333]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: brblx
have my babies, ati.

i think nvidia is going to be once again forced into the position of stepping up their value considerably. call me an 'ati fanboy' (i'm not), but they're already winning AND they're going to lower prices? yes please.

How are they winning? By price yeah they are. But they still don't hold the most powerful chip crown. I'm actually fearing for them next gen, because Nvidia's is looking like quite the beast if leaked specs are true.

At almost every price point, AMD has a faster video card. That's winning in most people's book.

Q: What does AMD have against GTX295 - at ANY price point?

A: nothing

Q: what do they have positioned against GTX285 ?

A: .. nothing

- something is wrong with your book

Yes but these are high end models that few people buy. The mid range market is where it's at!

 

[apoppin]

Yes but these are high end models that few people buy. The mid range market is where it's at!

These are the *prestige* cards that encourage people to buy the lower-end models

AMD has not gained any marketshare from their "success" .. somehow they are missing "where it's at"

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Yes but these are high end models that few people buy. The mid range market is where it's at!

These are the *prestige* cards that encourage people to buy the lower-end models

AMD has not gained any marketshare from their "success" .. somehow they are missing "where it's at"

Or AMD may have their current market share due to the price war they engaged in with Nvidia. I don't care what Nvida or AMD have at the $500+ price point if I'm looking to spend $250. What has the prestige part gained Nvidia? They've had two really bad quarters in a row after making money hand over fist prior to the 48x0 cards. I wouldn't say that the GTX285 or GTX295 are doing a whole lot for Nvidia either.

 

[Fox5]

IMO, SLI shouldn't be considered as an option for most people.
SLI has way lower market penetration than Crossfire. SLI is only available on high end motherboards, and generally only on nvidia chipsets, which are considered inferior or overpriced against their AMD and Intel equivalents.

Crossfire is pretty much everywhere, even on relatively low priced boards. It's less common on the Intel side than AMD, but probably still outnumbers SLI.

If I'm speccing out a purchase, the extra cost of a SLI motherboard makes it very unattractive.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Fox5
IMO, SLI shouldn't be considered as an option for most people.
SLI has way lower market penetration than Crossfire. SLI is only available on high end motherboards, and generally only on nvidia chipsets, which are considered inferior or overpriced against their AMD and Intel equivalents.

Crossfire is pretty much everywhere, even on relatively low priced boards. It's less common on the Intel side than AMD, but probably still outnumbers SLI.

If I'm speccing out a purchase, the extra cost of a SLI motherboard makes it very unattractive.

I think my board cost me a grand total of $150 😕

Interesting FUD though...


And who were you even responding to?

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Wouldn't a 9800GX2 and a 4850x2 be very close to one another in performance?

I could be wrong but isn't a GX2 basically 8800GT SLI? If so then the 4850x2 is definitely faster since a single 4850 competes with the 9800GTX+. And that's not even taking into account the 2x1GB version of the 4850x2 which should pull away even more at the higher resolutions and AA.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Wouldn't a 9800GX2 and a 4850x2 be very close to one another in performance?

I could be wrong but isn't a GX2 basically 8800GT SLI? If so then the 4850x2 is definitely faster since a single 4850 competes with the 9800GTX+.

its basically 8800gts 512mb sli on stick. the 8800gt has 112sp where as the 8800gts 512mb has all 128sp.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Fox5
IMO, SLI shouldn't be considered as an option for most people.
SLI has way lower market penetration than Crossfire. SLI is only available on high end motherboards, and generally only on nvidia chipsets, which are considered inferior or overpriced against their AMD and Intel equivalents.

Crossfire is pretty much everywhere, even on relatively low priced boards. It's less common on the Intel side than AMD, but probably still outnumbers SLI.

If I'm speccing out a purchase, the extra cost of a SLI motherboard makes it very unattractive.

I think my board cost me a grand total of $150 😕

Interesting FUD though...


And who were you even responding to?

Yeah, I place $150 as an expensive board. New crossfire boards start at $70 on the AMD side, so basically 0 extra cost.
Perhaps SLI boards will start coming down in price, I see a single SLI capable motherboard for under $100, but historically SLI has commanded a large premium while for the past year or so crossfire motherboards have been available at cost parity with other motherboards. It's reasonable to recommend cheap dual ATI video card setups, but SLI is still only worthwhile for high-end cards due to its cost premium.