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Price cuts for 4800 series
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thilanliyan
Lifer
The leaked specs may not necessarily make the biggest difference in games but in GPGPU. Either way, judging a brand new architecture is difficult.
SlowSpyder
Lifer
Wow, the cheapest 4870 is under $150 on Newegg right now. It'd be nice to see some sub-$120 4870's... that might be enough to make me try out Crossfire.
Originally posted by: apoppin
Q: What does AMD have against GTX295 - at ANY price point?
A: nothing
Q: what do they have positioned against GTX285 ?
A: .. nothing
- something is wrong with your book
I believe you're mistaken. A quick glance shows the following prices. These are the cheapest of each model on Newegg at the moment.
Geforce GTX 260 $164/ 144.99 After Rebate
Geforce GTX 260 Core 216 $179.99
Geforce GTX 275 $219.99
Geforce GTX 280 $264.99
Geforce GTX 285 $314.99
Geforce GTX 295 $529.99
Radeon HD 4870 1GB $159.99/ $139.99 after rebate
Radeon HD 4890 $199.99/ $179.99 after rebate
Radeon HD 4850x2 2GB $249.99/ $239.99 after rebate
Radeon HD 4870x2 $379.99/ $369.99 after rebate
The Radeon HD 4870 1GB is cheaper before and after rebate compared to the Geforce GTX 260 192 AND Core 216. No brainer there.
The Radeon HD 4890 is a good bit cheaper than the GTX 275. Yet another no brainer for two similarly performing cards.
The Radeon HD 4850 X2 2GB is cheaper than the GTX 280 and GTX 285 AND faster than both as well. Yet another no brainer. For the record, not once ever since the launch of the 4850X2 has the GTX 280 or 285 EVER been a good buy performance vs price. The 4850x2 2GB has always been cheaper and faster from day one.
The Radeon HD 4870 X2 is $379.99 compared to the $529.99. Considering the GTX 295 has a performance edge of less than 10% in pretty much every scenario, but loses to the 4870 X2 in some situations, especially ultra high res with tons of AA(where you're most likely to be using these cards anyway) I can't see any reason to justify the enormous price difference. Two 4890s will also mop the floor with a GTX 295 and be cheaper than it. So there you go. Either way, AMD wins.
SlowSpyder
Lifer
2 x 4890's? Nothing that takes up one slot though, I'll give you that.
How about the 4850x2? If you don't like mutli-GPU wouldn't one of those 950-1000MHz factory overclocked 4890's give you pretty much the same performance?
Nvidia may have a few price points where an AMD solution is above and/or below it, or you have to get a bit creative with the AMD options to get about the same performance, but for the most part I'd say right now it's cheaper to achieve a given performance goal with AMD cards.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: dguy6789
Originally posted by: apoppin
Q: What does AMD have against GTX295 - at ANY price point?
A: nothing
Q: what do they have positioned against GTX285 ?
A: .. nothing
- something is wrong with your book
I believe you're mistaken. A quick glance shows the following prices. These are the cheapest of each model on Newegg at the moment.
Geforce GTX 260 $164/ 144.99 After Rebate
Geforce GTX 260 Core 216 $179.99
Geforce GTX 275 $219.99
Geforce GTX 280 $264.99
Geforce GTX 285 $314.99
Geforce GTX 295 $529.99
Radeon HD 4870 1GB $159.99/ $139.99 after rebate
Radeon HD 4890 $199.99/ $179.99 after rebate
Radeon HD 4850x2 2GB $249.99/ $239.99 after rebate
Radeon HD 4870x2 $379.99/ $369.99 after rebate
The Radeon HD 4870 1GB is cheaper before and after rebate compared to the Geforce GTX 260 192 AND Core 216. No brainer there.
The Radeon HD 4890 is a good bit cheaper than the GTX 275. Yet another no brainer for two similarly performing cards.
The Radeon HD 4850 X2 2GB is cheaper than the GTX 280 and GTX 285 AND faster than both as well. Yet another no brainer. For the record, not once ever since the launch of the 4850X2 has the GTX 280 or 285 EVER been a good buy performance vs price. The 4850x2 2GB has always been cheaper and faster from day one.
The Radeon HD 4870 X2 is $379.99 compared to the $529.99. Considering the GTX 295 has a performance edge of less than 10% in pretty much every scenario, but loses to the 4870 X2 in some situations, especially ultra high res with tons of AA(where you're most likely to be using these cards anyway) I can't see any reason to justify the enormous price difference. Two 4890s will also mop the floor with a GTX 295 and be cheaper than it. So there you go. Either way, AMD wins.
First of all there is NO comparison between HD4890 and GTX285
- 4890 is positioned against GTX 275 - in *every* way; price and performance
-so there is NOTHING against GTX 285; it sits alone unchallenged, performance wise
i have a HD4870-X2; the GTX 295 *outclasses* it
= performance wise, it sits UNchallenged
Two 4890s will be destroyed by 2 - GTX285s
- they will match 2 GTX 275s in SLi
Either way, Nvidia has the highest performing solutions
*except* at the highest end.
Cookie Monster
Diamond Member
Originally posted by: apoppin
Q: What does AMD have against GTX295 - at ANY price point?
A: nothing
Q: what do they have positioned against GTX285 ?
A: .. nothing
- something is wrong with your book
HD4850X2 or crossfire is positioned against the GTX285 or even a HD4890 1GB OCed comes pretty close while being cheaper. GTX295 is actually slower than the HD4870X2 when you start using a combination of high res/AA because of the former only having 896MB of vram and i.e runs out of memory at those settings. (Not sure if they fixed this memory management issue yet unless its on hardware level)
But when it comes to value which 95% of more of the market caters for, AMD wins hands down. So what dguy6789 said was right.
Its winning on most peoples books.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Originally posted by: apoppin
Q: What does AMD have against GTX295 - at ANY price point?
A: nothing
Q: what do they have positioned against GTX285 ?
A: .. nothing
- something is wrong with your book
HD4850X2 or crossfire is positioned against the GTX285 or even a HD4890 1GB OCed comes pretty close while being cheaper. GTX295 is actually slower than the HD4870X2 when you start using a combination of high res/AA because of the former only having 896MB of vram and i.e runs out of memory at those settings. (Not sure if they fixed this memory management issue yet unless its on hardware level)
But when it comes to value which 95% of more of the market caters for, AMD wins hands down. So what dguy6789 said was right.
Its winning on most peoples books.
enough with this "comes close" nonsense
if you want the absolute fastest; you pick Nvidia
if you want budget and great bang for buck, well then, you do what i did
and AMD is NOT winning marketshare .. although it appears that they should
sanders4617
Member
Crap. Just bought a Radeon 4770 for $100 yesterday. Could wait a month and get a 4870 for not much more than that... or a 4890.
brblx
Diamond Member
yeah, all that garbage was really worth it to say that nvidia has the fastest single slot card. just admit that you have a desire to exploit any little variable to 'correct' people.
quite frankly i find anyone who would pay an extreme premium for 'top end' performance to be pretty silly, anyway. pay 50% less for 20% less performance and quit trying to keep up with the joneses.
Zstream
Diamond Member
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Originally posted by: apoppin
Q: What does AMD have against GTX295 - at ANY price point?
A: nothing
Q: what do they have positioned against GTX285 ?
A: .. nothing
- something is wrong with your book
HD4850X2 or crossfire is positioned against the GTX285 or even a HD4890 1GB OCed comes pretty close while being cheaper. GTX295 is actually slower than the HD4870X2 when you start using a combination of high res/AA because of the former only having 896MB of vram and i.e runs out of memory at those settings. (Not sure if they fixed this memory management issue yet unless its on hardware level)
But when it comes to value which 95% of more of the market caters for, AMD wins hands down. So what dguy6789 said was right.
Its winning on most peoples books.
enough with this "comes close" nonsense
if you want the absolute fastest; you pick Nvidia
if you want budget and great bang for buck, well then, you do what i did
and AMD is NOT winning marketshare .. although it appears that they should
Are you sure? Or are you placing your information off of non-discrete graphics sales? AMD's CPU market share increased because of cheaper priced chips so I would image the GPU is the same way.
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16903
SlowSpyder
Lifer
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Originally posted by: apoppin
Q: What does AMD have against GTX295 - at ANY price point?
A: nothing
Q: what do they have positioned against GTX285 ?
A: .. nothing
- something is wrong with your book
HD4850X2 or crossfire is positioned against the GTX285 or even a HD4890 1GB OCed comes pretty close while being cheaper. GTX295 is actually slower than the HD4870X2 when you start using a combination of high res/AA because of the former only having 896MB of vram and i.e runs out of memory at those settings. (Not sure if they fixed this memory management issue yet unless its on hardware level)
But when it comes to value which 95% of more of the market caters for, AMD wins hands down. So what dguy6789 said was right.
Its winning on most peoples books.
enough with this "comes close" nonsense
if you want the absolute fastest; you pick Nvidia
if you want budget and great bang for buck, well then, you do what i did
and AMD is NOT winning marketshare .. although it appears that they should
*edit - Using Newegg for the prices below.
The cheapest GTX285 is $315. The cheapest 4850x2 is $205AR. The cheapest 4870 512MB card is $147 (two of them cost less than the GTX285). I don't believe that Nvidia wins at the GTX285 level unless you absolutely refuse to go multi-GPU. If that is the case, you want the fastest single GPU option money can buy, than the GTX285 is right for you. I think most of us would pay $25 more than the GTX285 and game on a $350 4870x2 though, if we were looking around that price range.
If you go with the GTX295, that means you are open to multi-GPU. So unless you are trying to build a high end rig on a motherboard that only has a single PCIE slot, given all the multi card options available, I'd hardly call it the fastest performing option within it's price range. How would you compare your 4870 trifire rig to your GTX295? Right now 3 of the cheapest 4870 1GB cards will set you back $35 LESS than the cheapest GTX295.
Obiviously it's easy to change the criteria to make AMD or Nvidia look to have 'the absolute fastest'. We can say of single GPU's, with two PCIE slots, within $xxx.xx price range, at 8xAA, etc. etc. etc. But I think it's not so black & white to say that the GTX295 or GTX285 is "the absolute fastest."
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: dguy6789
Originally posted by: apoppin
Q: What does AMD have against GTX295 - at ANY price point?
A: nothing
Q: what do they have positioned against GTX285 ?
A: .. nothing
- something is wrong with your book
I believe you're mistaken. A quick glance shows the following prices. These are the cheapest of each model on Newegg at the moment.
Geforce GTX 260 $164/ 144.99 After Rebate
Geforce GTX 260 Core 216 $179.99
Geforce GTX 275 $219.99
Geforce GTX 280 $264.99
Geforce GTX 285 $314.99
Geforce GTX 295 $529.99
Radeon HD 4870 1GB $159.99/ $139.99 after rebate
Radeon HD 4890 $199.99/ $179.99 after rebate
Radeon HD 4850x2 2GB $249.99/ $239.99 after rebate
Radeon HD 4870x2 $379.99/ $369.99 after rebate
The Radeon HD 4870 1GB is cheaper before and after rebate compared to the Geforce GTX 260 192 AND Core 216. No brainer there.
The Radeon HD 4890 is a good bit cheaper than the GTX 275. Yet another no brainer for two similarly performing cards.
The Radeon HD 4850 X2 2GB is cheaper than the GTX 280 and GTX 285 AND faster than both as well. Yet another no brainer. For the record, not once ever since the launch of the 4850X2 has the GTX 280 or 285 EVER been a good buy performance vs price. The 4850x2 2GB has always been cheaper and faster from day one.
The Radeon HD 4870 X2 is $379.99 compared to the $529.99. Considering the GTX 295 has a performance edge of less than 10% in pretty much every scenario, but loses to the 4870 X2 in some situations, especially ultra high res with tons of AA(where you're most likely to be using these cards anyway) I can't see any reason to justify the enormous price difference. Two 4890s will also mop the floor with a GTX 295 and be cheaper than it. So there you go. Either way, AMD wins.
First of all there is NO comparison between HD4890 and GTX285
- 4890 is positioned against GTX 275 - in *every* way; price and performance
-so there is NOTHING against GTX 285; it sits alone unchallenged, performance wise
i have a HD4870-X2; the GTX 295 *outclasses* it
= performance wise, it sits UNchallenged
Two 4890s will be destroyed by 2 - GTX285s
- they will match 2 GTX 275s in SLi
Either way, Nvidia has the highest performing solutions
*except* at the highest end.
Please read my post before responding to it. Nobody compared the 4890 and the GTX 285. You completely ignored the 4850x2. 4890 Crossfire performs just about identically to GTX 285 SLI. Link
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Originally posted by: apoppin
Q: What does AMD have against GTX295 - at ANY price point?
A: nothing
Q: what do they have positioned against GTX285 ?
A: .. nothing
- something is wrong with your book
HD4850X2 or crossfire is positioned against the GTX285 or even a HD4890 1GB OCed comes pretty close while being cheaper. GTX295 is actually slower than the HD4870X2 when you start using a combination of high res/AA because of the former only having 896MB of vram and i.e runs out of memory at those settings. (Not sure if they fixed this memory management issue yet unless its on hardware level)
But when it comes to value which 95% of more of the market caters for, AMD wins hands down. So what dguy6789 said was right.
Its winning on most peoples books.
enough with this "comes close" nonsense
if you want the absolute fastest; you pick Nvidia
if you want budget and great bang for buck, well then, you do what i did
and AMD is NOT winning marketshare .. although it appears that they should
*edit - Using Newegg for the prices below.
The cheapest GTX285 is $315. The cheapest 4850x2 is $205AR. The cheapest 4870 512MB card is $147 (two of them cost less than the GTX285). I don't believe that Nvidia wins at the GTX285 level unless you absolutely refuse to go multi-GPU. If that is the case, you want the fastest single GPU option money can buy, than the GTX285 is right for you. I think most of us would pay $25 more than the GTX285 and game on a $350 4870x2 though, if we were looking around that price range.
If you go with the GTX295, that means you are open to multi-GPU. So unless you are trying to build a high end rig on a motherboard that only has a single PCIE slot, given all the multi card options available, I'd hardly call it the fastest performing option within it's price range. How would you compare your 4870 trifire rig to your GTX295? Right now 3 of the cheapest 4870 1GB cards will set you back $35 LESS than the cheapest GTX295.
Obiviously it's easy to change the criteria to make AMD or Nvidia look to have 'the absolute fastest'. We can say of single GPU's, with two PCIE slots, within $xxx.xx price range, at 8xAA, etc. etc. etc. But I think it's not so black & white to say that the GTX295 or GTX285 is "the absolute fastest."
FIRST OF ALL, i am gonna *dump* 4870-X2 and Tri-Fire
- it is a waste; 2 Overclocked 4890s come SO close, performance wise that i am tired of a space heater in my PC
There is *nothing* that compares to GTX295; i wouldn't want one either 😛
Now we are left with GTX285; *undeniably* the fastest single GPU video card
Yes, it is pretty black & white. If you have a "no compromise" attitude and want the fastest; you pick Nvidia at the highest end.
SlowSpyder
Lifer
You keep changing the criteria and ignoring people. Would you say that AMD does or does not have anything that could be considered faster than the GTX295? I don't care if you are selling your trifire or building 5 more rigs based on it. The GTX295 is a great card, no doubt about it. It has it's place in the market. But I'm willing to bet that 3 4870 1GB cards will put up a good fight, even be faster a lot of the time than a GTX295. They also cost a bit less. They also use up more power and probably put out a lot of heat. But we're just taking about speed here.
So the GTX285, we're talking about single GPU? We're talking about at it's price piont? We're talking about GPU's who's designer starts with the letter 'N'? 🙂 Everything I've seen shows that a factory overclocked 4890 would be as fast as a GTX285. A 4850x2 will be generally as fast to faster and save you $100 in the process.
So the GTX285, we're talking about single GPU? We're talking about at it's price piont? We're talking about GPU's who's designer starts with the letter 'N'? 🙂 Everything I've seen shows that a factory overclocked 4890 would be as fast as a GTX285. A 4850x2 will be generally as fast to faster and save you $100 in the process.
apoppin
Lifer
i am ignoring idle speculation
changing the criteria for what? .. i am talking PURE PERFORMANCE
i *guarantee* that my Tri-Fire [either 4870-X2 + 4870 or 4870-X2 + 4890] is slower than my pair of overclocked HD4890s on many occasions
[i ALSO have a HiS 4890 and a Diamond 4890-XOC - both running at Diamonds OC of 925/1050]
--so there goes your theory about TriFire even being faster than a pair of Ocerclocked 4890s 😛
a 4890 - even the "Atomic" does not match GTX285 [which can be overclocked also ]
. . . and your 4850-X2 has issues at the resolutions that GTX285 excels at .. when it scales
Cookie Monster
Diamond Member
I found two reviews on the sapphire HD4890 atomic and each of them conclude that this card is faster than your stock GTX285 while being quite abit cheaper.
Bit-tech
Hardware Canucks
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