Previous civilization

[spaceman]

 

[UberNeuman]

if they were truly advanced they wouldve kept records and backups of their history

It was all kept on their major tech at the time, which was the 3 1\2 floppy disc - and thus was destroyed by AOL in the '90s...

/where did you think all those free floppies came from?

 

[HAL9000]

Who's that?

 

[destrekor]

if they were truly advanced they wouldve kept records and backups of their history

notsureifserious.png :hmm:


See: Alexandria fires; library fires; Alexandria library; ...

 

[JS80]

Who's that?

Bronze tan god.

 

[HAL9000]

Bronze tan god.

Oh OK.

 

[IronWing]

Nope, not a chance. Could human civilizations existed that were more thoughtful, spiritual, logical, insightful? Sure. But more technologically advanced than our current one? Nope, zero chance. Building an infrastructure leaves traces, chemical signatures, earthworks. Nothing we've found suggests that other civilizations mastered advanced metallurgy, organic synthesis, nuclear reactions, oil drilling, mechanical agriculture, or earth moving on the scale we routinely engage in today.

Reflect of what physical evidence would remain of our civilization over time if we were to just vanish.

 

[Malak]

notsureifserious.png :hmm:


See: Alexandria fires; library fires; Alexandria library; ...

Even more modern day book burnings, books about book burnings... So much lost that we don't even know what we have lost.

 

[Malak]

Nope, not a chance. Could human civilizations existed that were more thoughtful, spiritual, logical, insightful? Sure. But more technologically advanced than our current one? Nope, zero chance. Building an infrastructure leaves traces, chemical signatures, earthworks. Nothing we've found suggests that other civilizations mastered advanced metallurgy, organic synthesis, nuclear reactions, oil drilling, mechanical agriculture, or earth moving on the scale we routinely engage in today.

You are assuming they proceeded on the same route we do. Potentially there was a resource then that no longer exists? Or even better, society evolved without technological advances? There are societies today that continue to exist without technology...

 

[IronWing]

You are assuming they proceeded on the same route we do. Potentially there was a resource then that no longer exists? Or even better, society evolved without technological advances? There are societies today that continue to exist without technology...

See my first line. Edit: second sentence.

 

[Nik]

You are assuming they proceeded on the same route we do. Potentially there was a resource then that no longer exists? Or even better, society evolved without technological advances? There are societies today that continue to exist without technology...

Technology doesn't have to be electronic. One caveman picking up a stick to reach fruit in a tree is technologically evolving.

Back in the day, men realized they could kill other men. Then they realized it's easier to kill other men using a technological advancement that their target had not yet achieved. Weapons against the weaponless, swords against clubs, spears against swords, etc.

I saw some article a few weeks ago on CNN about an Amazonian tribe that hasn't ever been contacted, or even seen until just recently. They've been living their lives completely oblivious that other humans even exist on the planet. They were pictured looking up at this mysterious floating wonder in the sky, probably thinking it's GOD because their brains are so primitive. The helo taking pictures showed them using stick/rock tools.

 

[destrekor]

Even more modern day book burnings, books about book burnings... So much lost that we don't even know what we have lost.

And that's the pain of it.

There is evidence that a certain theorem was almost certainly fully understood at one point, and then almost all evidence was wiped in the first fires in Alexandria. Hundreds of years if not thousands may have passed before the same idea was redeveloped by someone else, rediscovered in a way.

We know things that were deemed historically important, large volumes of information, were lost. And then the new records, restored originals, and whatnot, was again lost some time later.
We know it happened. We don't know what we lost. It is quite likely that some information found in certain myths is actually based on, at one time, common knowledge or otherwise rooted in facts.... but now no records exist and stories have been grossly altered and reinterpreted over the generations.

I think that event taught humanity the importance of data parity. And yet, we ignore the greater lessons the idea might suggest.

 

[mmntech]

I doubt there's one more advanced than we are now (I assume we're just talking about Earth civilizations). I do think a lot of people don't give much credit to past civilizations though, and instead of giving them credit for the amazing stuff they did, try to explain it with deities and aliens.

Makes for sexy TV. Gotta put something on the history channel.

I like how they talk about advanced materials and mathematically precise buildings being impossible to ancient cultures. Hoover Dam was built without computers or laser guider machinery. Must have been aliens too. :hmm:

A lot of the stuff we take for granted today was invented in the Classical Age. Political philosophy and democracy by the Greeks. The Romans had concrete, advanced architecture and a semi-modern public works system. The Chinese had advanced sailing ships and gunpowder.

 

[Malak]

And that's the pain of it.

There is evidence that a certain theorem was almost certainly fully understood at one point, and then almost all evidence was wiped in the first fires in Alexandria. Hundreds of years if not thousands may have passed before the same idea was redeveloped by someone else, rediscovered in a way.

We know things that were deemed historically important, large volumes of information, were lost. And then the new records, restored originals, and whatnot, was again lost some time later.
We know it happened. We don't know what we lost. It is quite likely that some information found in certain myths is actually based on, at one time, common knowledge or otherwise rooted in facts.... but now no records exist and stories have been grossly altered and reinterpreted over the generations.

I think that event taught humanity the importance of data parity. And yet, we ignore the greater lessons the idea might suggest.

A couple stories found in the bible are the most intriguing to me. The story of Babel and the idea that humans lived for 10x as long prior to the flood. Biological and societal changes to the extreme.

 

[Nik]

A couple stories found in the bible are the most intriguing to me. The story of Babel and the idea that humans lived for 10x as long prior to the flood. Biological and societal changes to the extreme.

Even though the tower of babel hasn't ever been found? Even though there's no scientific basis in reality for an entire nation literally waking up one morning all speaking different languages that isn't recorded anywhere else in history anywhere on the planet? You'd think something so significant would have been recorded by SOMEBODY.

Science has shown, repeatedly, that man's lifespan is increasing, not decreasing, which is in direct conflict with the Bible on that one.

 

[davmat787]

Who's that?

That is George S. something... greek sounding. He is a leading propronent of the ancient astronaut theory. Google it.

 

[dawp]

who said anything about it being our ancestors? dinosaurs with lasers!!!

 

[So]

Why would it have to be in the ocean? For instance, an entire city was discovered in asia that is thought to be the precursor to Russia, but was originally only known about in written history. Many cultures and civilizations have been wiped out and replaced, cities built on cities. Jerusalem used to be Jebus, etc.

Natural or unnatural, or supernatural, causes could potentially destroy much of the evidence. There is so little we actually know about history past a few thousand years ago. The oldest book in the bible is 4000 years old and is more than likely just a moral story without any relevant history, with newer documents talking about events and locations that dated far before this. There is mention of differences in biology and technology, not to mention several widespread massive impacts on society. Some of these ancient events are described by all the cultures that existed then across the world, in what documents we can find. Given what has survived, all we are left with are questions and nothing to go on. The dust we walk on is more than likely history we cannot ever decipher.

The real question is, what do you mean by "advanced"? Sure, I could see a city with like, medieval technology being lost to history, but an industrial civilization? No way, no how. The massive impact that industrial civilization makes on the earth, from deforestation and mining for fuel, and all the random durable trinkets we tend to pass around and drop idly (from wood screws to iphones), we would have found lots of technologically advanced debris, picked up or traded by said civilization.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

The tower of babble is required if you want to be able to find your way back to the spawn point.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

I saw some article a few weeks ago on CNN about an Amazonian tribe that hasn't ever been contacted, or even seen until just recently. They've been living their lives completely oblivious that other humans even exist on the planet. They were pictured looking up at this mysterious floating wonder in the sky, probably thinking it's GOD because their brains are so primitive. The helo taking pictures showed them using stick/rock tools.

http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/2008/06/22/brazilian-lost-tribe-photo-was-a-fake/

This? It's all fake.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

The tower of babble is required if you want to be able to find your way back to the spawn point.

This isn't related to the OP. Keep up the weight loss! Cutting out most drinks besides water and a little bit of soda (sprite) and adding in a lot of cardio exercise got me to drop 19 pounds in 3 months. And this is at a much lower weight at 193.5lbs. You should see even better results if you go this route. Keep in mind I still carbo-load, eat tons of meat and even chocolate.

You wouldn't believe what going to a normal salt diet does for your blood pressure. Pro-tip: Cut out the processed foods. It could (and probably would) save your life.

 

[HAL9000]

That is George S. something... greek sounding. He is a leading propronent of the ancient astronaut theory. Google it.

Just did it, it's errrm interesting I suppose.

 

[JTsyo]

A couple stories found in the bible are the most intriguing to me. The story of Babel and the idea that humans lived for 10x as long prior to the flood. Biological and societal changes to the extreme.

I read that in LotR. Humans used to be stronger and live longer but their bloodlines have become diluted through time.

It's more likely that there was another advanced species that were more advanced than us millions of years ago than humans being more advanced in the, relativity, short time that we've been around. Think of how long it would take to erase the mark humans currently have on the earth. All they would have to do is invent plastics and there would be remains of that.

 

[HAL9000]

I read that in LotR. Humans used to be stronger and live longer but their bloodlines have become diluted through time.

It's more likely that there was another advanced species that were more advanced than us millions of years ago than humans being more advanced in the, relativity, short time that we've been around. Think of how long it would take to erase the mark humans currently have on the earth. All they would have to do is invent plastics and there would be remains of that.

That's true, I read it in Harry Potter.... No that was the Bible. I always get them confused.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I read that in LotR. Humans used to be stronger and live longer but their bloodlines have become diluted through time.

It's more likely that there was another advanced species that were more advanced than us millions of years ago than humans being more advanced in the, relativity, short time that we've been around. Think of how long it would take to erase the mark humans currently have on the earth. All they would have to do is invent plastics and there would be remains of that.

In H2G2 it was a bunch of telephone sanitizers, marketers and hair stylists... which actually explains quite a lot.