Pretty overwhelming evidence Lance doped.

[Zeze]

I couldn't help but revive this thread to see what Hacp and EagleKeeper think of the fact that Lance apparently admitted today to Oprah that he doped.

I understand you were both saying not that Lance was necessarily innocent, but that there was not sufficient evidence to conclude his guilt. I take it, assuming the reports are accurate and he did confess, that you'd be comfortable believing him?

If they're not, it's bordering on religious blindness.

 

[Doppel]

I think all this anti-doping mentality is coming from this 'war on drugs' that our government seems to be stuck on.

what I'd like to see is a 2 tier system, one with those that can openly do performance enhancing drugs and one for those that do it without drugs.

So they can kill themselves for our entertainment? Because they will, especially desperate athletes who otherwise are completely average. They will take as much crap as they can, have a nice career 3-4 years long, quit with organ issues, and die at 40. No, I don't think we need to see sporting go that route.

 

[Zorba]

NY Times Link

 

[PokerGuy]

A lot of the information I read last night makes what Lance actually did much worse than what I thought. In a sport where just about everyone was doping, he was one of the ringleaders in the doping and cheating process. That's bad enough, but I can understand that. A lot worse is all the other stuff now coming out about the things he's done to other people (suing those telling the truth into bankruptcy, threatening people, slandering them and so on). That's a lot worse than just the cheating IMO.

I don't see any other way to see Lance now but as a scumbag.

 

[tgferg67]

Some of the PED's he took increase risk of cancer - did he cause his own cancer? Then after beating cancer he continues to take PED's that would increase his risk of getting cancer again.

 

[sportage]

Bottom line... Who really cares?

All sports celebrities are dopers.
The Oscars are rigged.
The greatest autobiographies were written by ghost writer.
All politicians are crooked.
All Catholic Bishops are paedophiles.
Objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are.
Moms apple pie came out of a box.
Toco Bell has nothing to do with mexican food.
Your dog doesn’t "deserve" Alpo.
Geritol never made anyone feel better fast.
And the grass is never greener on the other side of the street.

So who really cares?

 

[Phokus]

A lot of the information I read last night makes what Lance actually did much worse than what I thought. In a sport where just about everyone was doping, he was one of the ringleaders in the doping and cheating process. That's bad enough, but I can understand that. A lot worse is all the other stuff now coming out about the things he's done to other people (suing those telling the truth into bankruptcy, threatening people, slandering them and so on). That's a lot worse than just the cheating IMO.

I don't see any other way to see Lance now but as a scumbag.

More on this:

6. What do you say to Emma O'Reilly, who was a young Dublin native when she was first hired by the U.S. Postal team to give massages to the riders after races?
In the early 2000s, she told stories of rampant doping and how she was used to transport the drugs across international borders. In the USADA report, she testified that you tried to "make my life hell."
Her story was true, Lance, wasn't it? And you knew it was true. Yet despite knowing it was true, you, a famous multimillionaire superstar, used high-priced lawyers to sue this simple woman for more money than she was worth in England, where slander laws favor the famous. She had no chance to fight it.
She testified that you tried to ruin her by spreading word that she was a prostitute with a heavy drinking problem.
"The traumatizing part," she once told the New York Times, "was dealing with telling the truth."

7. In 2011, former teammate Tyler Hamilton spoke about you and doping on "60 Minutes." He later said you two ran into each other in a Colorado restaurant where he says you tried to intimidate him, saying, "I'm going to make your life a living hell both in the courtroom and out of the courtroom."
Yet you knew he was telling the truth, right Lance? So why threaten him?

8. Greg LeMond, a three-time Tour de France champion, once raised the following hypothetical question: "If Lance's story is true, it's the greatest comeback in the history of sport. If it's not, it's the greatest fraud."
The allegation is that you heard that and decided to use your influence with Trek bikes to drop its association with LeMond's brand. The company even went to court to end a long-term contract. "Greg's public comments hurt the LeMond brand and the Trek brand," a company official said at the time.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/questions-oprah-should-ask-lance-armstrong-230849439.html

 

[Phokus]

As someone looking from the outside in, I am not going to believe anything the USADA says. To me, it doesn't looks like the USADA is being sincere in figuring out the truth. The organization has an agenda, which is to attack Lance Armstrong and his reputation and it will do anything in its power to make people blindly believe what its saying. The arbitration hearing, the releasing of the documents it means squat and they know it. Why are they doing this? To ruin his reputation.

Boy you look fucking retarded, as usual

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

A lot of the information I read last night makes what Lance actually did much worse than what I thought. In a sport where just about everyone was doping, he was one of the ringleaders in the doping and cheating process. That's bad enough, but I can understand that. A lot worse is all the other stuff now coming out about the things he's done to other people (suing those telling the truth into bankruptcy, threatening people, slandering them and so on). That's a lot worse than just the cheating IMO.

I don't see any other way to see Lance now but as a scumbag.

Just so you know, but that "other stuff" you are talking about, has been out for a long time.

For just one example, read about Betsy Andreau and how she has been vilified (along with her husband) for over a decade. This isn't "new" news by any means.

 

[Attic]

Yes, I'd actually respect him more if he'd just be honest about it. "Everybody was doing it, I did too. I felt I needed that edge. In hindsight I wish I hadn't."

This continued nonsense about a vast conspiracy out to get him is getting beyond ridiculous.

This. That would have been understandable.

I think Lance lost his sense of reality and was without a true friend to give him any guidance/advice during this time.

 

[PokerGuy]

Just so you know, but that "other stuff" you are talking about, has been out for a long time.

For just one example, read about Betsy Andreau and how she has been vilified (along with her husband) for over a decade. This isn't "new" news by any means.

True, but it hasn't been in the public stream as much. People who didn't follow cycling or armstrong closely (people like me) might not have known. I agree it's not really new information, but new to many (including me).

 

[Slew Foot]

yup. lance is looking more like a giant douche.

 

[HumblePie]

Glad I never bought one of those yellow armbands. I don't feel bad either at laughing at people that did 🙂

 

[Matt1970]

I read the "evidence". I can not see a smoking gun in it. Alot of the evidence is circumstantial or if there was a "positive" test, the sample was taken so far back that it may have been contaminated with other rider's urine.

There is nothing in there that makes me think, ok, no matter what Lance Armstrong has to say to defend himself, he is guilty.

You are more than welcome to argue it with Lance himself.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Somewhere, Lance is uncorking a bottle of champagne and toasting Manti Te'O today for taking the heat off him.

 

[monovillage]

A day late and a dollar short, but at least Lance had the ball to finally come forward and admit his guilt.

 

[irishScott]

And the world learns yet another lesson in why you typically shouldn't make professional athletes your heroes.

 

[lotus503]

The biggest hit here is the livestrong foundation. I hope they can be as productive with Lance's destroyed brand.

 

[LumbergTech]

So they can kill themselves for our entertainment? Because they will, especially desperate athletes who otherwise are completely average. They will take as much crap as they can, have a nice career 3-4 years long, quit with organ issues, and die at 40. No, I don't think we need to see sporting go that route.

Should we ban boxing and mma as well? What about contact sports?

 

[Doppel]

Should we ban boxing and mma as well? What about contact sports?

Do you think those sports are as injurious as a free for all regimen of the wildest perf. drugs man can think up would be?

 

[Wreckem]

The sad thing is, they all doped. They all lied. They all covered it up. They only came out and started naming names to reduce their own punishment and/or get rewarded for it. And one in particular is going to make a massive profit off of it. Landis, the guy who started the domino effect of elite cyclists getting busted for doping is in all likelihood going to get upwards of $30million from his whistle-bower lawsuit. Active participants, people with very unclean hands, shouldn't be allowed to get the whistle-blower reward from a whistle-blower lawsuit. Just my opinion though.

I don't have any sympathy for Lance, but for his sake I hope he has his money in offshore accounts. He is about to get hit over and over by multi-million dollar civil suits, including the aforementioned whistle-blower suit.

 

[Ns1]

nooooooooooooooooo

(CNN) -- Now-disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong says he used an array of performance enhancing drugs -- including EPO, testosterone and human growth hormone -- to win seven Tour de France titles followed by years of often angry denials.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/17/sport/armstrong-doping/index.html?on.cnn=3

 

[lotus503]

The sad thing is, they all doped. They all lied. They all covered it up. They only came out and started naming names to reduce their own punishment and/or get rewarded for it. And one in particular is going to make a massive profit off of it. Landis, the guy who started the domino effect of elite cyclists getting busted for doping is in all likelihood going to get upwards of $30million from his whistle-bower lawsuit. Active participants, people with very unclean hands, shouldn't be allowed to get the whistle-blower reward from a whistle-blower lawsuit. Just my opinion though.

I don't have any sympathy for Lance, but for his sake I hope he has his money in offshore accounts. He is about to get hit over and over by multi-million dollar civil suits, including the aforementioned whistle-blower suit.

Yeah I agree fuck landis, the entire cesspool of cycling is better off with these assholes out of it.

 

[Doppel]

Yeah I agree fuck landis, the entire cesspool of cycling is better off with these assholes out of it.

Landis wasn't even a great cyclist with drugs, what a dick.

It really is interesting watching lance talk about this after soooo long lying.

 

[Doppel]

He is denying some things like doping in 2009 or 2010. I find any denials hard to believe in light of him being a professional liar. It is good to see him come clean but I have to honestly assume he is still ling about things including which could land him in hotter legal water.