Presidential Debate Round 1 Mccain V Obama

[Carmen813]

Debate didn't change my view on anything. McCain seemed overly hawkish, Obama was to reluctant to throw a punch back. I'd give the nod to Obama for winning just because he actually spoke about what he wants to do, as opposed to McCain who was....mostly concerned about reading talking points (honestly was he even responding to what Obama said half the time? Sounded like he was senile...)

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: Carmen813
Debate didn't change my view on anything. McCain seemed overly hawkish, Obama was to reluctant to throw a punch back. I'd give the nod to Obama for winning just because he actually spoke about what he wants to do, as opposed to McCain who was....mostly concerned about reading talking points (honestly was he even responding to what Obama said half the time? Sounded like he was senile...)

senile indeed

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Barack Obama

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Barack Obama

That's true, the republicans have a terrible times on these forums. BUt i can't recall you ever praising obama despite planning to vote for him.

well, he's articulate and clean... 😛

Ewww

Gross.

Could you two take this conversation elsewhere?

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Watching the debate again I'm going to have to call this one for Obama.

McCain comes off as a grumpy and angry old man. He's rude and condescending towards Obama, never once looking at him at any point in the debate.

Obama, OTOH, is clearly the more Presidential candidate. I can see why he mopped the floor with Independents tonight. I'm interested in how the polling will look tomorrow.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Wow it's incredible that even when McCain is DIRECTLY responding to Obama he doesn't even look at him. This is going to bury him in the fall out of this debate.

 

[Synomenon]

It was like he couldn't talk to Obama face to face. A couple of times, McCain kept interrupting keeping Obama from speaking.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Mill
McCain did much better than I expected him to do, and I don't think anyone can deny that.

Yeah after watching him screw up left and right since the Convention I kind of expected a Sarah Palin perfrormance from him. We forget that McCain, unlike Palin, is a knowledgeable indiovidual.

 

[sportage]

Like I said, having someone toss out so many misleading comments and statements about you that it almost put Obama into response overload. Its like mccain saying you dress funny, your wife is ugly, your kids are dumb, you car is small, you cat has fleas and your hair is messy. Now mr Obama, your response. Naturally your overloaded. Where he's coming from, he's wrong, and where do you begin to respond. Then after you say a few words, mccain fires off ten more nutty statements at you.

That doesn?t look good for mccain. Obama almost won just by default alone.
But I still feel the big problem was the way the whole thing was moderated.
It was more like a bad larry king show than a substance debate.
I blame the format and moderator for its failure.
Any debate ran like that is going to be a 50-50 draw.
Just like talking heads on larry king live.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The Irish Miracle:

According to the Seidman Research Institute of Arizona State University, Ireland?s GDP growth in 2003 is 136% higher than the EU 15 average; in 1987 it was 69% of the EU 15 average. Unemployment dropped from 17% in 1987 to 4% today, during the 1990?s Ireland?s economic growth averaged 6.9% (for those who don?t know economics well, that is an amazing growth rate) and after the tech bubble busted, Ireland?s growth rate still maintained over 4.5%. Government debt shrank as well, falling from 112% of GDP to 33%. Ireland?s standard of living has also surpassed most of Europe.

Ireland did two things to cause the miracle.

They cut the size of their government.
And they cut business taxes.

No no no. That's trickle down economics and that doesn't work. I think Ireland is doing well because Big Mike is roughing up the trouble makers.

Sigh... to credit Reaganomics as the sole cause of Ireland's recent success is disingenuous at best.

Ireland is doing well because they had 17% unemployment in 1987, yet had a well-educated workforce. They're basically the little high tech China in Europe.

...combined with free access to the largest market in the world and massive EU support.
They did very well in the last 20 year (good govt.) but I want to point out that Ireland is one of the few EU countries that is now officially in a recession despite their 11% company tax

they have been hit hard by the credit crunch

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: sportage
Like I said, having someone toss out so many misleading comments and statements about you that it almost put Obama into response overload. Its like mccain saying you dress funny, your wife is ugly, your kids are dumb, you car is small, you cat has fleas and your hair is messy. Now mr Obama, your response. Naturally your overloaded. Where he's coming from, he's wrong, and where do you begin to respond. Then after you say a few words, mccain fires off ten more nutty statements at you.

That doesn?t look good for mccain. Obama almost won just by default alone.
But I still feel the big problem was the way the whole thing was moderated.
It was more like a bad larry king show than a substance debate.
I blame the format and moderator for its failure.
Any debate ran like that is going to be a 50-50 draw.
Just like talking heads on larry king live.

I agree; McCain came out looking very strong in some aspects and I was surprised, but he came up with too many lies. When even Karl Rove, the head of the GOP thinktank, thinks your campaign is lying too much, then it's pretty bad. If McCain had stuck to his guns without the lies he would have come out ahead or at least broke even in this debate.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: IsLNdbOi
It was like he couldn't talk to Obama face to face. A couple of times, McCain kept interrupting keeping Obama from speaking.

^^ Co-signed, Obama gained points with the independents from his body language alone. McCain kept furiously scribbling notes on the paper in the podium, and wouldn't look over at Obama, while Obama would look over at McCain and address him directly many times.

 

[RKDaley]

Originally posted by: Barack Obama

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: jpeyton
You tell me who won.

Here's some straight talk.

the idea that someone would read HuffPo as anything other than a joke makes me weep for the state of humanity.

Here comes loki, the perpetual Devil's advocate. Punching McCain in the gut and slapping him in the ass at the same time.

Yeah, the guy says he will vote for obama but ends up defending McCain at every chance and critizes obama :roll:

Yep.

ETA: And I too noticed how McCain avoided looking at Obama.
It even started at the beginning, when they were shaking hands and continued throughout the debate. McCain looked uncomfortable.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: RKDaley

Originally posted by: Barack Obama

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: jpeyton
You tell me who won.

Here's some straight talk.

the idea that someone would read HuffPo as anything other than a joke makes me weep for the state of humanity.

Here comes loki, the perpetual Devil's advocate. Punching McCain in the gut and slapping him in the ass at the same time.

Yeah, the guy says he will vote for obama but ends up defending McCain at every chance and critizes obama :roll:

Yep.

He's still bitter over Hillary losing out to Obama.

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: RKDaley

ETA: And I too noticed how McCain avoided looking at Obama.
It even started at the beginning, when they were shaking hands and continued throughout the debate. McCain looked uncomfortable.

That may be the most significant aspect of what was, in summary, a fairly average debate. Even with direct prompting from Jim Leherer (who I thought did a tremendous job) McCain avoided engaging Obama one on one-he seemed like a guilty kid at times.


To me at least, Obama seemed far more presidential. McCain seemed to constantly be struggling to keep from displaying his temper (which he did successfully) and stuck to repeating his stump speech lines too often. Plus he couldn't resist dropping another one of his obvious half thought out brain storms-the governmental spending freeze.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Who won???

barack looks much more sinister in the debates. notice how his skin tone changes from light, light brown in the pictures in the ad, to a dark black in the videos. I'm surprised the left hasn't pounced on this by calling it a racial tactic. I'm sure it'll come up on DailyKos, HuffPo or Moveon sooner or later

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: IsLNdbOi
It was like he couldn't talk to Obama face to face. A couple of times, McCain kept interrupting keeping Obama from speaking.

also, obama interrupted mccain a couple of times. see the part where mccain was talking about russia/georgia conflict. Kudos to mcain for ignoring obama's rude, obstinate attempt to cut mccain off by continuing to talk and get his point across. Obama can't even adhere to simple debate rules. This is obama's idea of a "gentleman debating"? My favorite is when Obama tried to quickly get past his lack of foreign policy comprehension by trying to get Jim to quickly move on to the next question.

try to learn to wait your turn, barry

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: sportage
Like I said, having someone toss out so many misleading comments and statements about you that it almost put Obama into response overload. Its like mccain saying you dress funny, your wife is ugly, your kids are dumb, you car is small, you cat has fleas and your hair is messy. Now mr Obama, your response. Naturally your overloaded. Where he's coming from, he's wrong, and where do you begin to respond. Then after you say a few words, mccain fires off ten more nutty statements at you.

That doesn?t look good for mccain. Obama almost won just by default alone.
But I still feel the big problem was the way the whole thing was moderated.
It was more like a bad larry king show than a substance debate.
I blame the format and moderator for its failure.
Any debate ran like that is going to be a 50-50 draw.
Just like talking heads on larry king live.

I agree; McCain came out looking very strong in some aspects and I was surprised, but he came up with too many lies. When even Karl Rove, the head of the GOP thinktank, thinks your campaign is lying too much, then it's pretty bad. If McCain had stuck to his guns without the lies he would have come out ahead or at least broke even in this debate.

yes one more comment about the debate. I am a big Meher fan, but he screwed up at the beginning. He kept asking the candidates how the bailout plan was going to effect what they want to do in office. And both candidates kept trying to answer, but Jim wasn't getting the response he wanted.

Problem is, his question sucked. I was hoping someone would reframe it for him. There is no bail out plan, so therefore how can any candidate respond to a plan that they dont have in front of them. Obama stated that they haven't read the langauge of the plan, but Jim still persisted on the point.

I hope to see better moderation in future debates.

 

[theeedude]

McCain proved to me he was a loose cannon when he criticized Obama for saying that both sides should show restraint in the Russia - Georgia situation.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I watched the debate and thought it extremely disrespectful that McCain wouldn't look at Obama directly. Obama directly addressed McCain throughout the debate but McCain rarely even glanced at Obama the entire time. Extremely disrespectful IMO.

I thought Obama's comments and opinions were well thought out, he was articulate, engaging and came off as someone who has a plan and someone who is intelligent and can think on his feet.

McCain stuck to his bullet points and didn't come off as having much to say other than to attack Obama. I thought he came off as a bitter old man.

Obama 1
McCain 0

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I watched the debate and thought it extremely disrespectful that McCain wouldn't look at Obama directly. Obama directly addressed McCain throughout the debate but McCain rarely even glanced at Obama the entire time. Extremely disrespectful IMO.

I thought Obama's comments and opinions were well thought out, he was articulate, engaging and came off as someone who has a plan and is an intelligent who can think on his feet.

McCain stuck to his bullet points and didn't come off as having much to say other than to attack Obama. I thought he came off as a bitter old man.

Obama 1
McCain 0

I think in the next few days most people are going to stick to the fact that McCain wouldnt look at Obama imo that is what most people are going to remember from this debate.

How it plays out though will be the real trick.

 

[theeedude]

The other behavioral thing was McCain repeating how voters know him and trust him, which was kind of presumptuous and silly.
Made him look senile.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I watched the debate and thought it extremely disrespectful that McCain wouldn't look at Obama directly. Obama directly addressed McCain throughout the debate but McCain rarely even glanced at Obama the entire time. Extremely disrespectful IMO.

I thought Obama's comments and opinions were well thought out, he was articulate, engaging and came off as someone who has a plan and is an intelligent who can think on his feet.

McCain stuck to his bullet points and didn't come off as having much to say other than to attack Obama. I thought he came off as a bitter old man.

Obama 1
McCain 0

I think in the next few days most people are going to stick to the fact that McCain wouldnt look at Obama imo that is what most people are going to remember from this debate.

How it plays out though will be the real trick.

Is that what the BHO fluffing left is going to use coming out of the debate? Talk about desperate....

IF BHO won like the BHO fluffers keep trying to claim(big surprise) then don't you think you'd have something more real than "he didn't look at him".

:roll:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: newnameman
Just to clear up the Kissinger point:

Henry Kissinger believes Barack Obama misstated his views on diplomacy with US adversaries and is not happy about being mischaracterized. He says: "Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality."

Just as I said - Kissinger is misrepresenting Obama's position as being about *presedential* talks with Iran, but both times it came up, Obama indicated otherwise.

What are you talking about Craig??

The direct quote includes Presidential talks.

Question:In the spirit of that type of bold leadership, would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?

OBAMA: I would. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them -- which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration -- is ridiculous.

The question is VERY clear. Would YOU as in President Obama.

Yep, and his site basically says the same thing. He's trying to play the nuanced "prepared" BS but anyone with 2 licks of sense knows that "preparations" does not mean "preconditions".

I had to laugh at the fact that Kissinger came out so quickly with his refutation of BHO's blathering. Kissinger was unequivocal in his support for McCain's position and was against what BHO wants to do.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Dari
SOMEBODY ANSWER THIS OR I'LL TO START A NEW THREAD:

Why was McCain so condescending and why did he never look at Obama or the cameras? He kept looking down.

I didn't even notice that, really.

LOL 🙂

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I watched the debate and thought it extremely disrespectful that McCain wouldn't look at Obama directly. Obama directly addressed McCain throughout the debate but McCain rarely even glanced at Obama the entire time. Extremely disrespectful IMO.

I thought Obama's comments and opinions were well thought out, he was articulate, engaging and came off as someone who has a plan and is an intelligent who can think on his feet.

McCain stuck to his bullet points and didn't come off as having much to say other than to attack Obama. I thought he came off as a bitter old man.

Obama 1
McCain 0

I think in the next few days most people are going to stick to the fact that McCain wouldnt look at Obama imo that is what most people are going to remember from this debate.

How it plays out though will be the real trick.

Is that what the BHO fluffing left is going to use coming out of the debate? Talk about desperate....

IF BHO won like the BHO fluffers keep trying to claim(big surprise) then don't you think you'd have something more real than "he didn't look at him".

:roll:

ACTUALLY I think BHO and McCain both had their good and their bad.

But the lasting impression, one that most viewers I THINK will take away from this debate, is the fact that McCain didn't look at Obama. The moderator even enouraged direct candidate to candidate communication and McCains behavior imo implied he wanted nothing to do with that.

Now, spin it however you want. McCain thinks he is better than Obama, McCain was angry at Obama, McCain was afraid of Obama. I am sure you can come up with other ideas...you spin so well.

But there is nothing desparate about this, McCains body language was on display just as much as Obama's was. And there were stark contrasts between the two in this area.