Presidente Bush, clueless, again ?

[Geagle]

So what would you have Sharon do? Just sit back and take it? If he did that, the bombings wouldn't stop. If the Palestinians stopped bombings, Israeli incursions WOULD stop. Let's not be naive.

If the Israeli's stopped killing civilians on a daily basis, and stopped assasinating people they claim to be militants, the suicide bombs would stop.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

There was nothing inferred, it was a simple statement. I say it because Sharon is the worst thing thats happened to Israel. He will continue to escalate tensions and only negotiate by using force, attempting to pound palestinians into submission. This plan, unfortunately for palestinians as well as Israelis, will not work because it affects too many innocent palestinians. He's Hamas' best recruiter.

So what would you have Sharon do? Just sit back and take it? If he did that, the bombings wouldn't stop. If the Palestinians stopped bombings, Israeli incursions WOULD stop. Let's not be naive.

The whole perspective has to be broadened and taken off of the recent deaths and attacks, since they are only violence paying back violence in a continuous spiraling circle of death. Then consider for one, no more building in the occupied territories (not the new military occupations the post 1967 occupations), and two, negotiate to give some of the land back.

Summary = negotiate instead of annihilate.

 

[ThePresence]

Little secret: It's all bullsh!t. Even the UN agrees, if you can believe that.

I find it hard to believe that even independent journalists were out to get Israel. Why would they make this stuff up, and why didn't the Israeli's allow the UN to do an inspection?[/quote]
If you knew I hated you, and I accuse you of murder and say that you're hiding a corpse under your bed, would you allow me to go in and search your house, or would you tell me to fsck off? I would choose the latter. So did Israel. Good for 'em.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Geagle

So what would you have Sharon do? Just sit back and take it? If he did that, the bombings wouldn't stop. If the Palestinians stopped bombings, Israeli incursions WOULD stop. Let's not be naive.

If the Israeli's stopped killing civilians on a daily basis, and stopped assasinating people they claim to be militants, the suicide bombs would stop.

That is so naive.

EDIT: I'll try to dig up this thread tommorow, I must get to bed.

 

[Random Variable]

OK, so I guess an Ancient country can go and occupy any part of the world they want, since their ancient ansestors lived there thousands of years ago.

The Arabs were more than happy when the first settlers arrived and cultivated that sparsely-populated, barren, neglected, and malaria-infested POS land around the turn of the 20th century.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Little secret: It's all bullsh!t. Even the UN agrees, if you can believe that.

I find it hard to believe that even independent journalists were out to get Israel. Why would they make this stuff up, and why didn't the Israeli's allow the UN to do an inspection?

If you knew I hated you, and I accuse you of murder and say that you're hiding a corpse under your bed, would you allow me to go in and search your house, or would you tell me to fsck off? I would choose the latter. So did Israel. Good for 'em.[/quote]

In other words, you have no clue the real reason why they didn't allow the inspection.

 

[Geagle]

If you knew I hated you, and I accuse you of murder and say that you're hiding a corpse under your bed, would you allow me to go in and search your house, or would you tell me to fsck off? I would choose the latter. So did Israel. Good for 'em.

Yeah, I guess the UN is Anti-Semetic after all.

That is so naive

Anyone that disagrees with you is naive.

 

[Random Variable]

Summary = negotiate instead of annihilate.

Did the 1990's not happen?

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Vespasian

Summary = negotiate instead of annihilate.

Did the 1990's not happen?

I'm not sure I understand your point. Did you make one?

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Vespasian

Summary = negotiate instead of annihilate.

Did the 1990's not happen?

I'm not sure I understand your point. Did you make one?

I'm not sure. This thread is giving me a nasty headache.

Sometimes I think that the creation of Israel was a huge mistake because its existence has just fueled hatred for the Jewish people.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Vespasian

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Vespasian

Summary = negotiate instead of annihilate.

Did the 1990's not happen?

I'm not sure I understand your point. Did you make one?

I'm not sure. This thread is giving me a nasty headache. Sometimes I think that the creation of Israel was a huge mistake because its existence has just fueled harted for the Jewish people.

The jewish lineage seems to show they will always be a subject of disdain by someone, it must be genetic, however that shouldn't imply that there aren't better ways to handle the current situation while still strengthening their state. Any peace accord might not help this generation of hatred among palestinians (and arabs) and jews but perhaps the next generation, as palestinians hopefully live in a more prosperous economic situation and israelis live without the weekly suicide bombers.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

I can guarantee you that we will see something along the lines of thermonuclear detonation occuring in Israel in our lifetimes. This situation isn't gonna get better, it's gonna get so bad that they will have nothing left to fight for.

My gripe isn't with the US, Palestine, or Israel, it's with the rest of the fscking world. When did the US become the sole power responsible for the world's problems? Now i know that we give aid to Israel, so yes this is as much our problem as it is the Israeli and Palestinians problem. But that still doesn't excuse the rest of the world for just sitting back and doing nothing. If we had a concentrated global effort to stop this violence we could bring about peace, or at least an end to these suicide bombings. What good is the UN if it can't do anything in our most troubling times?

 

[Geagle]

I think a peace deal will be made, but the hostility and occasional gun battles will last forever.

 

[rbhawcroft]

Originally posted by: Vespasian
I'm waiting for the day when a thermonuclear device is denotated in the heart of Tel Aviv and a Palestinian official goes on CNN and says, "The occupation made us do it."

i think they would field bart simpson to say 'it wasnt me'

 

[rbhawcroft]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Vespasian I'm waiting for the day when a thermonuclear device is denotated in the heart of Tel Aviv and a Palestinian official goes on CNN and says, "The occupation made us do it."

You may live to see the day if sharon stays in office.

Yep, because if the Palestinians do it, it's Sharon's fault. Lets not even think of blaming the ones who actually do it. :frown:

Thats not what I said.

But that's what is inferred.

There was nothing inferred, it was a simple statement. I say it because Sharon is the worst thing thats happened to Israel. He will continue to escalate tensions and only negotiate by using force, attempting to pound palestinians into submission. This plan, unfortunately for palestinians as well as Israelis, will not work because it affects too many innocent palestinians. He's Hamas' best recruiter.I'm guessing that within the next couple months Arafat will be assasinated and finally Bush will finally make this issue a priority, altho it could be too late to diffuse the situation because it will engage the hostilities of the palestinians to new levels, as well as other arab nations' leaders and people.

nah, firstly the monkey doesnt want to get whacked if ten years time, second, it would be a disaster for israels negotiatng position.

 

[rbhawcroft]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Vespasian

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Vespasian

Summary = negotiate instead of annihilate.

Did the 1990's not happen?

I'm not sure I understand your point. Did you make one?

I'm not sure. This thread is giving me a nasty headache. Sometimes I think that the creation of Israel was a huge mistake because its existence has just fueled harted for the Jewish people.

The jewish lineage seems to show they will always be a subject of disdain by someone, it must be genetic, however that shouldn't imply that there aren't better ways to handle the current situation while still strengthening their state. Any peace accord might not help this generation of hatred among palestinians (and arabs) and jews but perhaps the next generation, as palestinians hopefully live in a more prosperous economic situation and israelis live without the weekly suicide bombers.

i didnt think it was jewish faith that they should be percecuted but just a natural human reaction to their behaviour:
they go somewhere
dont intergrate and only marry within,
seek to build up power and money over the plebs
say their faith is the only legit one and that they are gods special chosen people,
have a different culture and attitude to everyone else
get persecuted when there is a fight for resources.

 

[Peacekeeper100]

Just curious, why would the settlements have to be abandoned? Why cant some Israelis live in Palestinian controlled land just like Arabs live in Israeli controlled land?

Not all the Palestinians can live in Israel. Sharon has said that the Palestinians will NEVER be let back in to Israel because the whole idea is that it is a Jewish state. If the Palestinians come back then there will be to many non-Jewish people in the country. It came right now of Sharon's mouth during the interview on the discovery channel about the situation in the middle east.

 

[syzygy]

you seem much more adept at discussing that type of post than this where it is evident you once again are clueless

Yes, and if you follow the news........even just a little bit.....you'd know that the Bush admin. has had someone over there nearly monthly to try to come up with something, and Sharon has been here and been chastised on several occasions and just last week Bush invited Palestian officials over here for talks.............just so happens this admin. is tired of Arafat's empty promises and lack of authority or will to enforce it................

'the Bush amin. someone over there nearly every month' ?

our ambassador ? i see you are rich in clues. perhaps bush will extend this idea of his (a bushism?) to other faraway places and open ambassador stands all over the planet. as a texas oilman, he should know how to franchise. i know its bush-loony but you never know.

by the way, an ambassador is 'a diplomatic official of the highest rank appointed and accredited as representative in residence by one government or sovereign to another, usually for a specific length of time'.

dicitonary link

Yes, and if you follow the news........even just a little bit

it would 'seem', that the best place to hide info from you would be right in front of your face.

no more intellectual welfare. cheers.

 

[jjones]

jjsole --- The jewish lineage seems to show they will always be a subject of disdain by someone, it must be genetic,

gimpcroft --- i didnt think it was jewish faith that they should be percecuted but just a natural human reaction to their behaviour:
they go somewhere
dont intergrate and only marry within,
seek to build up power and money over the plebs
say their faith is the only legit one and that they are gods special chosen people,
have a different culture and attitude to everyone else
get persecuted when there is a fight for resources.

Feeling a little anti-semitic today girls?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: jjones

jjsole --- The jewish lineage seems to show they will always be a subject of disdain by someone, it must be genetic,

gimpcroft --- i didnt think it was jewish faith that they should be percecuted but just a natural human reaction to their behaviour:
they go somewhere
dont intergrate and only marry within,
seek to build up power and money over the plebs
say their faith is the only legit one and that they are gods special chosen people,
have a different culture and attitude to everyone else
get persecuted when there is a fight for resources.

Feeling a little anti-semitic today girls?

Here we go again. Since the Jews have been hated and persecuted throughout history, it must be their own fault. Let's blame the Jews not the people doing the hating a persecuting. Kind of like saying, let's blame Sharon not the people actually blowing up and murdering hundreds of people. Hell, it cant be their fault, after all, they are just the one's who are committing the act.

It's a shame this thread had to disintegrate into this.

 

[Random Variable]

i didnt think it was jewish faith that they should be percecuted but just a natural human reaction to their behaviour:
they go somewhere
dont intergrate and only marry within,
seek to build up power and money over the plebs
say their faith is the only legit one and that they are gods special chosen people,
have a different culture and attitude to everyone else
get persecuted when there is a fight for resources.

WTF? :|:|

 

[Corn]

i didnt think it was jewish faith that they should be percecuted but just a natural human reaction to their behaviour:
they go somewhere
dont intergrate and only marry within,
seek to build up power and money over the plebs
say their faith is the only legit one and that they are gods special chosen people,
have a different culture and attitude to everyone else
get persecuted when there is a fight for resources.

I didn't realize that there was a KKK chapter in the UK. Adolph would be proud of you Robert Hawcroft.



Oh, and just a thought, but I would keep these vile and despicable attitudes to yourself--at least until you move out of your parents house.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: jjones

jjsole --- The jewish lineage seems to show they will always be a subject of disdain by someone, it must be genetic,

Here we go again. Since the Jews have been hated and persecuted throughout history, it must be their own fault. Let's blame the Jews not the people doing the hating a persecuting. Kind of like saying, let's blame Sharon not the people actually blowing up and murdering hundreds of people. Hell, it cant be their fault, after all, they are just the one's who are committing the act.

It's a shame this thread had to disintegrate into this.

Please point out where I said their current problems are their fault because of a history of disdain.

/edit...Their current problems are exacerbated by a big fat trigger-happy militant terrorist slob/so-called prime minister, but I don't know where you concluded what you did.

 

[skace]

Here we go again. Since the Jews have been hated and persecuted throughout history, it must be their own faults. Let's blame the Jews not the people doing the hating a persecuting. Kind of like saying, let's blame Sharon not the people actually blowing up and murdering hundreds of people. Hell, it cant be their fault, after all, they are just the one's who are committing the act.

There is a saying that I practically live by: "First time, shame on you. Second time, shame on me." To continue getting persecuted time after time usually means there is a reason that hasn't been fixed. Like a car that keeps breaking time after time, yet you take it to the shop and get it repaired. In all likelyhood, it probably wasn't fixed properly. Putting an arrogant nation smackdab in the middle of an intollerant nation and asking them to behave is similar to throwing a bunch of parakeets in a lions den. For kicks, the zookeeper outfitted the parakeets with tazers and tranqs.

Also,
You keep saying "all fault belongs to he who comitted the act"
Others keep saying "all fault belongs to those who gave reason for he who comitted the act"
I say "the fault falls on ALL who were involved until the fault is fixed"

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: jjones

jjsole --- The jewish lineage seems to show they will always be a subject of disdain by someone, it must be genetic,

Here we go again. Since the Jews have been hated and persecuted throughout history, it must be their own fault. Let's blame the Jews not the people doing the hating a persecuting. Kind of like saying, let's blame Sharon not the people actually blowing up and murdering hundreds of people. Hell, it cant be their fault, after all, they are just the one's who are committing the act.

It's a shame this thread had to disintegrate into this.

Please point out where I said their current problems are their fault because of a history of disdain.

/edit...Their current problems are exacerbated by a big fat trigger-happy militant terrorist slob/so-called prime minister, but I don't know where you concluded what you did.

I was responding to rbhawcroft. I just quoted the entire thing, my bad.