Presidente Bush, clueless, again ?

[JellyBaby]

Palestinians weren't labelled as terrorists until Sharon came along.

Um, the labeling started 30 years ago when Arafat began the PLO and self-described himself as a terrorist after commiting (you guess it) acts of terrorism. But I don't believe by any stretch all Ps are terrorists.

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: Geagle

If Arafat were told that the IDF would kill him if he didn't aggressively reign in the terror, I guarantee that the violence would subside.

LOL, dont be such an idiot. Arafat can't control his people. Thats why he should step down. Sharon should step down since he is a war criminal. Will any of this happen? Hell no!

A peace deal will be achieved when a moderate Israeli leader and a new Palestinian leader sit on the same table together.

In the late 1990's there were very few terrorist attacks. In fact, in 1999 there were none. When Arafat wants to be control, he can be.

 

[Geagle]

In the late 1990's there were very few terrorist attacks. In fact, in 1999 there were none. When Arafat wants to be control, he can be.

When Sharon came along and visited Al Aqsa Mosque in September 2000, the Palestinians got pissed off. Arafat warned Ehud Barak that there was going to be a huge backlash if Sharon went. This proves that he wants peace, and he warned the Israeli's not to do it. Now look at whats going on.

 

[bjc112]

Here's a tissue. Get over it.

Thank you...

I'm tired of this crying....

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Geagle

In the late 1990's there were very few terrorist attacks. In fact, in 1999 there were none. When Arafat wants to be control, he can be.

When Sharon came along and visited Al Aqsa Mosque in September 2000, the Palestinians got pissed off. Arafat warned Ehud Barak that there was going to be a huge backlash if Sharon went. This proves that he wants peace, and he warned the Israeli's not to do it. Now look at whats going on.

Ha. I doubt there is anyone who still believes that Arafat wants peace. That must be the reason he turned down Barak's offer. Yep, he's a peaceloving man.

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: Geagle

In the late 1990's there were very few terrorist attacks. In fact, in 1999 there were none. When Arafat wants to be control, he can be.

When Sharon came along and visited Al Aqsa Mosque in September 2000, the Palestinians got pissed off. Arafat warned Ehud Barak that there was going to be a huge backlash if Sharon went. This proves that he wants peace, and he warned the Israeli's not to do it. Now look at whats going on.

If Arafat wanted peace, he would have been willing to negotiate the terms of the peace plan proposed by Barak and former President Clinton. And he would not have emptied the Palestinian jails of militants in late 2000.

 

[Geagle]

Barak's offer was pretty good, but Arafat turned it down since Barak didn't want to let the 5 million Palestinian refugees return, and the new Israeli settlements would still stay.

Saab Erakat said if the Israeli elections were delayed, and Barak was around for 6 more weeks, then there most likely would've been a deal.

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: Geagle
Barak's offer was pretty good, but Arafat turned it down since Barak didn't want to let the 5 million Palestinian refugees return, and the new Israeli settlements would still stay.

Saab Erakat said if the Israeli elections were delayed, and Barak was around for 6 more weeks, then there most likely would've been a deal.

Saeb Erekat was also the Palestinian official who started the rumor that 500 civilians had been massacred in Jenin earlier this year.

And what do you mean by "new Israeli settlements?"

 

[Random Variable]

I'm waiting for the day when a thermonuclear device is denotated in the heart of Tel Aviv and a Palestinian official goes on CNN and says, "The occupation made us do it."

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Vespasian
I'm waiting for the day when a thermonuclear device is denotated in the heart of Tel Aviv and a Palestinian official goes on CNN and says, "The occupation made us do it."

You may live to see the day if sharon stays in office.

 

[Geagle]

Saeb Erekat was also the Palestinian official who started the rumor that 500 civilians had been massacred in Jenin earlier this year.

And what do you mean by "new Israeli settlements?"

I still believe the Israeli's were hiding stuff after they finished with Jenin.

The settlements by the Israeli's in land that is under Palestinian control, and un-sactioned by the UN.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Vespasian
I'm waiting for the day when a thermonuclear device is denotated in the heart of Tel Aviv and a Palestinian official goes on CNN and says, "The occupation made us do it."

You may live to see the day if sharon stays in office.

Yep, because if the Palestinians do it, it's Sharon's fault. Lets not even think of blaming the ones who actually do it. :frown:

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Vespasian
I'm waiting for the day when a thermonuclear device is denotated in the heart of Tel Aviv and a Palestinian official goes on CNN and says, "The occupation made us do it."

You may live to see the day if sharon stays in office.

Yep, because if the Palestinians do it, it's Sharon's fault. Lets not even think of blaming the ones who actually do it. :frown:

Hey, this is the 21st century. No one is accountable for their actions!

 

[ThePresence]

I still believe the Israeli's were hiding stuff after they finished with Jenin.

What are you basing your opinion on? How is it possible for you to know what they are hiding or not, or if they are actually hiding anything or not. Were you there?

The settlements by the Israeli's in land that is under Palestinian control, and un-sactioned by the UN.

The UN! OH! Israel should really give a rats ass about the UN. The same UN that helped participate in the kidnapping of 3 israeli soldiers and then refused to show them the video. THAT UN! sure.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Vespasian I'm waiting for the day when a thermonuclear device is denotated in the heart of Tel Aviv and a Palestinian official goes on CNN and says, "The occupation made us do it."

You may live to see the day if sharon stays in office.

Yep, because if the Palestinians do it, it's Sharon's fault. Lets not even think of blaming the ones who actually do it. :frown:

Thats not what I said.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Vespasian I'm waiting for the day when a thermonuclear device is denotated in the heart of Tel Aviv and a Palestinian official goes on CNN and says, "The occupation made us do it."

You may live to see the day if sharon stays in office.

Yep, because if the Palestinians do it, it's Sharon's fault. Lets not even think of blaming the ones who actually do it. :frown:

Thats not what I said.

But that's what is inferred.

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: Geagle

Saeb Erekat was also the Palestinian official who started the rumor that 500 civilians had been massacred in Jenin earlier this year.

And what do you mean by "new Israeli settlements?"

I still believe the Israeli's were hiding stuff after they finished with Jenin.

The settlements by the Israeli's in land that is under Palestinian control, and un-sactioned by the UN.

The UN issued a report on the Jenin matter. Maybe you should read it.

And of course settlements were going to be abandoned. The Palestinians would have had 100-percent control of the Gaza Strip, and I believe somewhere around 95-percent control of the West Bank (In December 2000 the percentage was increased.). There would even have been a land bridge that would have connected the West Bank with Gaza.

 

[Geagle]

What are you basing your opinion on? How is it possible for you to know what they are hiding or not, or if they are actually hiding anything or not. Were you there?

Many independent journalists have written online reports of seeing mass graves being dug. Also, if the Israeli's had nothing to hide, why did they deny anyone of going in to inspect?

Well, its also the same UN that made Israel a country!

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Vespasian

Originally posted by: Geagle

Saeb Erekat was also the Palestinian official who started the rumor that 500 civilians had been massacred in Jenin earlier this year.

And what do you mean by "new Israeli settlements?"

I still believe the Israeli's were hiding stuff after they finished with Jenin.

The settlements by the Israeli's in land that is under Palestinian control, and un-sactioned by the UN.

The UN issued a report on the Jenin matter. Maybe you should read it.

And of course settlements were going to be abandoned. The Palestinians would have 100-percent control of the Gaza Strip, and I believe somewhere around 95-percent control of the West Bank (In December 2000 the percentage was increased.). There would even be be a land bridge that would connect the West Bank with Gaza.

Just curious, why would the settlements have to be abandoned? Why cant some Israelis live in Palestinian controlled land just like Arabs live in Israeli controlled land?

 

[ThePresence]

Many independent journalists have written online reports of seeing mass graves being dug. Also, if the Israeli's had nothing to hide, why did they deny anyone of going in to inspect?

Little secret: It's all bullsh!t. Even the UN agrees, if you can believe that.

Well, its also the same UN that made Israel a country!

Not exactly. The UN envisioned a tiny Israel alongside an Arab Palestine. The Arabs however, strongly disagreed that Israel should have a right to exist (as most still believe today), and tried to eradicate it (as some are trying to do today). Israel eventually beat them back, so Israel is what made Israel into a country, not the UN.

 

[Random Variable]

Not exactly. The UN envisioned a tiny Israel alongside an Arab Palestine. The Arabs however, strongly disagreed that Israel should have a right to exist (as most still believe today), and tried to eradicate it (as some are trying to do today). Israel eventually beat them back, so Israel is what made Israel into a country, not the UN.

There was only supposed to be one Jewish state (Israel) and one Arab state (Jordan). The creation of a second Arab state alongside Israel was very much a last minute thing.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Vespasian I'm waiting for the day when a thermonuclear device is denotated in the heart of Tel Aviv and a Palestinian official goes on CNN and says, "The occupation made us do it."

You may live to see the day if sharon stays in office.

Yep, because if the Palestinians do it, it's Sharon's fault. Lets not even think of blaming the ones who actually do it. :frown:

Thats not what I said.

But that's what is inferred.

There was nothing inferred, it was a simple statement. I say it because Sharon is the worst thing thats happened to Israel. He will continue to escalate tensions and only negotiate by using force, attempting to pound palestinians into submission. This plan, unfortunately for palestinians as well as Israelis, will not work because it affects too many innocent palestinians. He's Hamas' best recruiter.

I'm guessing that within the next couple months Arafat will be assasinated and finally Bush will finally make this issue a priority, altho it could be too late to diffuse the situation because it will engage the hostilities of the palestinians to new levels, as well as other arab nations' leaders and people.

 

[Random Variable]

I'm guessing that within the next couple months Arafat will be assasinated and finally Bush will finally make this issue a priority, altho it could be too late to diffuse the situation because it will engage the hostilities of the palestinians to new levels, as well as other arab nations' leaders and people.

Stop guessing.

 

[ThePresence]

There was nothing inferred, it was a simple statement. I say it because Sharon is the worst thing thats happened to Israel. He will continue to escalate tensions and only negotiate by using force, attempting to pound palestinians into submission. This plan, unfortunately for palestinians as well as Israelis, will not work because it affects too many innocent palestinians. He's Hamas' best recruiter.

So what would you have Sharon do? Just sit back and take it? If he did that, the bombings wouldn't stop. If the Palestinians stopped bombings, Israeli incursions WOULD stop. Let's not be naive.

 

[Geagle]

Not exactly. The UN envisioned a tiny Israel alongside an Arab Palestine. The Arabs however, strongly disagreed that Israel should have a right to exist (as most still believe today), and tried to eradicate it (as some are trying to do today). Israel eventually beat them back, so Israel is what made Israel into a country, not the UN.

OK, so I guess an Ancient country can go and occupy any part of the world they want, since their ancient ansestors lived there thousands of years ago.

Little secret: It's all bullsh!t. Even the UN agrees, if you can believe that.

I find it hard to believe that even independent journalists were out to get Israel. Why would they make this stuff up, and why didn't the Israeli's allow the UN to do an inspection?