President Trump Tweets Against Transgender People in the Military

[Sunburn74]

you should care more about Trump golfing on your dime.

Apparently this year alone Trumps back and forth travels to Mar A Lago will cost the taxpayer in the neighborhood of 3.6 million dollars per trip.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ow-much-do-donald-trumps-trips-mar-lago-cost/
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...costs-first-family-vacation-capitalism-584551

The entire budget spent on gender-reassignment surgery last year was 8.4 million (out of a total military budget of something like 584 million).

Rather than cruelly deny healthcare to servicemen who are putting their lives and limbs on the line, why not just ask Trump to actually just say in DC and do actual work?

 

[zinfamous]

Apparently this year alone Trumps back and forth travels to Mar A Lago will cost the taxpayer 6.6 million dollars additionally compared to simply saying in DC or paying for his own travel costs (he is a billionaire after all).

The entire budget spent on gender-reassignment surgery last year was 8.4 million (out of a total military budget of something like 584 million).

Rather than cruelly deny healthcare to servicemen who are putting their lives and limbs on the line, why not just ask Trump to actually just say in DC and do actual work?

No one told Donald there would be actual work! So unfair! he is being mistreated worse than any president except maybe Lincoln! so cruel!

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Apparently this year alone Trumps back and forth travels to Mar A Lago will cost the taxpayer 3.6 million dollars per trip.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ow-much-do-donald-trumps-trips-mar-lago-cost/

The entire budget spent on gender-reassignment surgery last year was 8.4 million (out of a total military budget of something like 584 million).

Rather than cruelly deny healthcare to servicemen who are putting their lives and limbs on the line, why not just ask Trump to actually just say in DC and do actual work?

I was with you until your last paragraph. Then you lost me. Think about the consequence there for a second.....

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Apparently this year alone Trumps back and forth travels to Mar A Lago will cost the taxpayer in the neighborhood of 3.6 million dollars per trip.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ow-much-do-donald-trumps-trips-mar-lago-cost/
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...costs-first-family-vacation-capitalism-584551

The entire budget spent on gender-reassignment surgery last year was 8.4 million (out of a total military budget of something like 584 million).

Rather than cruelly deny healthcare to servicemen who are putting their lives and limbs on the line, why not just ask Trump to actually just say in DC and do actual work?

"the failing politifact and failing newsweek are both fake news. my trips down to the southern white house are actually making the taxpayers money, in fact, it's the most any of them have ever made, ever. And I'm doing it"

 

[JMC2000]

Thats your problem, Skeik Yourtrolli, you dont think think...

BWA HA HA HA!!!

Isn't it ironic...

 

[HomerJS]

That is one thirty-sixth of what ONE of Dear Leaders trips to Mar a Lago cost.

FDC has his tongue so far up Trump's ass he can't do basic math

 

[soundforbjt]

I have complete authority as a person who has to foot the bill for these shenanigans. I am an American taxpayer who has had enough of this foolishness. Read my lips - no more surgeries!

How do you feel about the viagra and cialis costs, you ok with those larger expenditures?

 

[mikeymikec]

Just because a problem hasn't been brought to your attention doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

That was a total non-response to what he said. You're the one making the argument that transpeople are a problem for the military (bit of an understatement there), perhaps you should bring some evidence to the table.

Stop comparing trans to blacks or gays, neither require surgery or life long hormone treatment by default, this is a life long disability, just by definition.

So every woman taking the pill (or other forms of hormonal contraception) is disabled? And before you think of quibbling over the word 'require', I think you'll find that most fertile women who are pursuing a career are interested in having sex without becoming pregnant and would therefore say that it's non-optional for them.

Its the most special of rules being applied to allow trans/transitioning in the military. No one else would get long periods off duty to recover from optional surgery.

And you're basing this assertion on what facts exactly?

Taking HRT for mtf is effectively turning a combat ready soldier into a woman, and lets be honest about this, women are not equivalent front line soldiers.

And you're basing this assertion on what facts exactly? For starters, every person serving in the military is not a 'front line soldier'. There are tonnes of roles available in the modern military, and you'd have to be a 5-star fucking idiot to think that being a man inherently makes one better suited for those roles. If both men and women are officially deemed capable of doing these jobs, what exactly is your argument that a transperson automatically isn't capable (especially when one considers that there are transpeople serving in both the US and UK military)?

Considering we turn away people from enlisting for countless ailments and health standards, this is the ultimate form of special rules, and it hasn't even come into full bloom as hrt requres commanders permission,which eventually won't be a question because it will be considered trans-phobic to refuse.

I think maybe you need to take a step back and think that the military will have a list of health conditions that are either considered a minus point for possible military service or automatically disqualify one from joining the military. Every item on that list will likely have an evidence base in medical science. The US military has one of the largest (probably the largest) budget in the world, which means they can afford decent lawyers. If there's a strong evidence base for barring someone with a specific medical condition from serving in the military, they're not going to lose, no matter how major a delusion you've built about the "cult of the extreme left's PC police".

You should wonder what's next.

Why on earth are you spending your time worrying about this? What exactly is the nature of your worry here? Honestly, rhetorical question. Think it over. In all likelihood, people who aren't personally invested in women-hating and/or other forms of bigotry will have studied in actually relevant fields and can readily supply scientifically sound evidence rather than YouTube videos to help make the choices that you think you're educated well enough on to have an opposing opinion about.

I personally have no problem admitting that even if I was trained sufficiently to pass tests required to allow me to serve on the front line that there are women who could absolutely kick my ass with many skills that the military would consider to be relevant to a life in the military, and even though I'd be pretty physically fit, they could still literally kick my ass. I have as much problem with the notion that some transpeople could do the same. I also have no problem with the idea that if there was a sufficient scientific evidence base to deem transpeople as not qualified for serving in any role in the military (as unlikely as that seems to me), to accept such a judgement.

 

[Sunburn74]

I was with you until your last paragraph. Then you lost me. Think about the consequence there for a second.....

Well its 3.6 million spent per trip to Florida to mostly golf and promote his Club down there that wouldn't be spent if he stayed in DC on weekends. Its very straightforward unless you think golfing every weekend is a reasonable work expense for a sitting president and the US taxpayer is really getting 3.6 million dollars worth of benefit from these trips?

If costs are such an issue (and don't forget the entire transgender medical care budget is estimated to be as low as 2.4 million to as high as about 8 million yearly), just tell trump to skip a few golfing trips or just pay for it out of pocket since has he continually reminds us "is a very rich man"?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Well its 3.6 million spent per trip to Florida to mostly golf and promote his Club down there that wouldn't be spent if he stayed in DC on weekends. Its very straightforward unless you think golfing every weekend is a reasonable work expense for a sitting president and the US taxpayer is really getting 3.6 million dollars worth of benefit from these trips?

If costs are such an issue (and don't forget the entire transgender medical care budget is estimated to be as low as 2.4 million to as high as about 8 million yearly), just tell trump to skip a few golfing trips or just pay for it out of pocket since has he continually reminds us "is a very rich man"?

I completely agree. What might have been lost in my post is that fact that I'd rather Trump stay in Washington and do absolutely nothing. His "work" is worse than his vacations.

 

[0roo0roo]

That was a total non-response to what he said. You're the one making the argument that transpeople are a problem for the military (bit of an understatement there), perhaps you should bring some evidence to the table.

Hormones make men weak, and women not quite men. The logical reveals the inherent problem.

So every woman taking the pill (or other forms of hormonal contraception) is disabled? And before you think of quibbling over the word 'require', I think you'll find that most fertile women who are pursuing a career are interested in having sex without becoming pregnant and would therefore say that it's non-optional for them.

Sorry not equivalent, you women don't require birth control to remain women, again, logic.

And you're basing this assertion on what facts exactly?

Who else has srs?
I mean really.
*apparently this is nsfw? Its just text
https://www.susans.org/wiki/index.php/Vaginal_dilation

And you're basing this assertion on what facts exactly? For starters, every person serving in the military is not a 'front line soldier'. There are tonnes of roles available in the modern military, and you'd have to be a 5-star fucking idiot to think that being a man inherently makes one better suited for those roles. If both men and women are officially deemed capable of doing these jobs, what exactly is your argument that a transperson automatically isn't capable (especially when one considers that there are transpeople serving in both the US and UK military)?

There is the expectation that if the necessity arises, they all become military assets. This is why we have military standards for enlistment. You have not made a case of military necessity to enlist more disabled soldiers.

I think maybe you need to take a step back and think that the military will have a list of health conditions that are either considered a minus point for possible military service or automatically disqualify one from joining the military. Every item on that list will likely have an evidence base in medical science. The US military has one of the largest (probably the largest) budget in the world, which means they can afford decent lawyers. If there's a strong evidence base for barring someone with a specific medical condition from serving in the military, they're not going to lose, no matter how major a delusion you've built about the "cult of the extreme left's PC police".

Lawyers mean little when politics are involved, or did you think the university system wanted mattress girl to be a thing.

Why on earth are you spending your time worrying about this? What exactly is the nature of your worry here? Honestly, rhetorical question. Think it over. In all likelihood, people who aren't personally invested in women-hating and/or other forms of bigotry will have studied in actually relevant fields and can readily supply scientifically sound evidence rather than YouTube videos to help make the choices that you think you're educated well enough on to have an opposing opinion about.
I personally have no problem admitting that even if I was trained sufficiently to pass tests required to allow me to serve on the front line that there are women who could absolutely kick my ass with many skills that the military would consider to be relevant to a life in the military, and even though I'd be pretty physically fit, they could still literally kick my ass. I have as much problem with the notion that some transpeople could do the same. I also have no problem with the idea that if there was a sufficient scientific evidence base to deem transpeople as not qualified for serving in any role in the military (as unlikely as that seems to me), to accept such a judgement.

Why on earth are you worrying about pushing this group into the military when it wasn't even a thing a few years ago. Do you know how long gays have been around vs trans? Its not even comparable.

The bar isn't whether they could "kick your ass", its whether the enemy will kick their ass, and whether others will pay the cost for your social experiments in making the our units weaker. I'm sorry but perhaps you should look up who beat the Williams sisters back to back, and how many times school boys have beaten female professional athletes, mother nature doesn't care about modern liberal ideology of denying basic biological differences.

http://usatodayhss.com/2017/the-fc-dallas-u-15-academy-team-beat-the-u-s-women-s-national-team-5-2
http://www.dailywire.com/news/6072/...team-lose-7-0-amanda-prestigiacomo#exit-modal
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-Newcastle-Jets-15s-Rio-Olympics-warm-up.html


This is the reality of biological difference, and the consequences.
http://nypost.com/2015/11/22/struggling-firefighter-injured-after-just-10-days-into-new-job/
Science does not matter in the face of political correctness, this much is simply a proven record at this point.

The point of the military is to make war as unfair as possible for the enemy. Fairness isn't even part of the equation.

 

[0roo0roo]

Again, it's one thirty-sixth of what ONE of Trumps Mar a Lago trips cost. Either you ditch your support for him first or YOU pay for his trips, fair enough?
Don't give me that bullshit about how this is some great cost when anyone with half a braincell knows that it's not going to net you a quarter a year in taxes.
Getting rid of impotent men in the armed forces would save a lot more but that's not a group you hate so you don't want that, do you?
Pathetic.

Its always amusing when someone's only defense is to frame it as a waste of money, that is what you just did.

So congrats on that.

First of all, I'm asking for anyone to present a problem and no one has ever even heard of there being a problem. If it's to solve a problem that actually exists then I'd expect the military to make the request or at least explain the problem but they didn't even know that Trump was going to ban some of their currently serving members from continuing their service.

I am not comparing blacks or gays to transexuals you fucking moron, I'm comparing the ATTITUDES and ARGUMENTS made against blacks and gays that are NOW used against transexuals.

If you don't understand the difference then having a conversation with you will be impossible.

Its inherent to the argument. The attempt to frame it as some kind of civil rights issue fails to acknowledge the fundamental differences, without medical science, this condition does not exist, not in the way we see it today at the very least, don't even try referencing india.

When militaries around the western world are so paralyzed by political correctness that some force their men expected to run into gunfire to march in heels to "understand" that true sacrifice isn't valor, its walking in uncomfortable shoes, we will have a problem with what they are "allowed" to object to.

The human animal is sexist, just not in the way the left and feminists imagine, anything unflattering when it comes to women, cannot be acknowledged. And so by association it also applies to trans issues, because the men become women, and the women who become men, were women.

 

[fskimospy]

Its always amusing when someone's only defense is to frame it as a waste of money, that is what you just did.

So congrats on that.



Its inherent to the argument. The attempt to frame it as some kind of civil rights issue fails to acknowledge the fundamental differences, without medical science, this condition does not exist, not in the way we see it today at the very least, don't even try referencing india.

When militaries around the western world are so paralyzed by political correctness that some force their men expected to run into gunfire to march in heels to "understand" that true sacrifice isn't valor, its walking in uncomfortable shoes, we will have a problem with what they are "allowed" to object to.

The human animal is sexist, just not in the way the left and feminists imagine, anything unflattering when it comes to women, cannot be acknowledged. And so by association it also applies to trans issues, because the men become women, and the women who become men, were women.

Have you considered the idea that you might be mentally ill?

My guess is no.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Its always amusing when someone's only defense is to frame it as a waste of money, that is what you just did.

So congrats on that.

What the hell are you talking about? FDC framed it as a waste of his tax money which I was responding to.

Its inherent to the argument. The attempt to frame it as some kind of civil rights issue fails to acknowledge the fundamental differences, without medical science, this condition does not exist, not in the way we see it today at the very least, don't even try referencing india.

When militaries around the western world are so paralyzed by political correctness that some force their men expected to run into gunfire to march in heels to "understand" that true sacrifice isn't valor, its walking in uncomfortable shoes, we will have a problem with what they are "allowed" to object to.

You think the thousands of service members that have served honourably in wars were doing so in heels? What the fuck is wrong with your brain, kid?

The human animal is sexist, just not in the way the left and feminists imagine, anything unflattering when it comes to women, cannot be acknowledged. And so by association it also applies to trans issues, because the men become women, and the women who become men, were women.

That's quite the conspiracy theory you've got there kid, did you get it from the Shah of Iran?

If you're not gong to make any sense what so ever then what is the point of this? You have absolutely nothing to add, not a single coherent argument to make and not a sane thought in your mind.

 

[cytg111]

The human animal is sexist, just not in the way the left and feminists imagine, anything unflattering when it comes to women, cannot be acknowledged. And so by association it also applies to trans issues, because the men become women, and the women who become men, were women.

You either get on this train:

Sorry to break it to you pal, the world is pushing forward at a fastest pace in our history. If you refuse to accept all human being equal you have a long ass road ahead.

Or you dont.

 

[mikeymikec]

Hormones make men weak, and women not quite men. The logical reveals the inherent problem.

That's still not a response to the point he made. Furthermore, this argument logically excempts women from the military, which is not a position that either the US or UK military holds either.

Sorry not equivalent, you women don't require birth control to remain women, again, logic.

Goalpost movement: Changing your argument from a requirement of constant medication equalling a disability.

Who else has srs?
I mean really.
https://www.susans.org/wiki/index.php/Vaginal_dilation

Ok, when I ask you a question, could you kindly answer it rather than repeating irrelevant things you've already said?

There is the expectation that if the necessity arises, they all become military assets. This is why we have military standards for enlistment. You have not made a case of military necessity to enlist more disabled soldiers.

Err, they're already a military asset. Presumably you meant that they would be required to serve on the front line as a grunt if the need arose. I don't need to make a case for military necessity, since it has already been made: There are transpeople already in the US and UK military; they already passed the required tests. Your argument is that they shouldn't be there. Your argument here is complete bunk for what ought to be obvious reasons if you had more carefully considered the topic and my previous point: There are hundreds of roles available in the modern military. In what stupid scenario do you envisage sending say a 60-year-old general, or a submariner, an air force pilot, or a comms expert into land-based front line combat where physical strength may conceivably become important? Do you honestly think a guy who has spent say the last ten years working on submarines is going to be as physically fit as a full-time solder? Have you considered that modern warfare is so far removed from the days of swinging a two-handed battleaxe that physical strength is not necessarily an important concern any more (or at least anywhere near as important), or that just because someone is trans that it doesn't mean that they automatically wouldn't be able to meet whatever physical fitness standards are deemed a requirement by a modern military organisation? And just to point out one further fallacy (NB: I don't buy the notion that trans people are disabled) do you honestly think that no disabled people work in the military?

Lawyers mean little when politics are involved, or did you think the university system wanted mattress girl to be a thing.

Not even vaguely comparable (one is a rape accusation and another is eligibility to serve in the military... christ, how on earth did you think these were comparable?). Try a vaguely similar example that didn't involve dropping complaints and undisclosed settlements.

Why on earth are you worrying about pushing this group into the military when it wasn't even a thing a few years ago. Do you know how long gays have been around vs trans? Its not even comparable.

I am not pushing any group into the military. THEY ARE ALREADY THERE. THE MILITARY WAS (probably still is) FINE WITH THAT.

And it's time to acquaint yourself with a bit of history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history

 

[J.Wilkins]

There is the expectation that if the necessity arises, they all become military assets. This is why we have military standards for enlistment. You have not made a case of military necessity to enlist more disabled soldiers.

Naturally this Transgender Navy Seal who earned a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart is not quite up to the standards you want for service members.

Why on earth are you worrying about pushing this group into the military when it wasn't even a thing a few years ago. Do you know how long gays have been around vs trans? Its not even comparable.

Do you know how long gays have been around vs trans in the military? I'd say it's been about the same amount of time but rules and regulations enforced it to be hidden and secret.

It is cute that you're trying to turn the tables though, you're on the side that tries to push them OUT of the military where they have served with honour.

WHY, since it's obviously never been a problem before, are you doing that? It can't be for rational reasons or you'd have a coherent argument to present, not made up stories about how all the thousands of transgenders serving in the military would suddenly start wearing heels in combat. Note that the ban isn't just for combat soldiers, it's for holding ANY position in the military.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

@FelixDeCat

What is a medically unecessary procedure?

Yes, good question, and WHY is it unnecessary? Be specific.

so you got nothing on these questions.. shocking, simply shocking. Could someone please get me my fainting couch? I feel a most severe case of the vapors coming on.

 

[mikeymikec]

When militaries around the western world are so paralyzed by political correctness that some force their men expected to run into gunfire to march in heels to "understand" that true sacrifice isn't valor, its walking in uncomfortable shoes, we will have a problem with what they are "allowed" to object to.

Oh, fancy that for a change, 0roo0roo making disingenuous and bullshit arguments:

http://www.military.com/daily-news/...heels-for-sexual-assault-awareness-spurs.html

I bet after one afternoon of volunteering to wear heels, by dinnertime they had all signed up for gender reassignment surgery, or had been traumatised for life and turned into peace-loving commies!

Oh look, there's one not wearing heels. Colour me un-fucking-surprised.

0roo0roo, either you made this BS claim up yourself for your own ends, or someone else's BS somehow passed your BS detector unscathed and you went on to parrot it yourself. Why? How?

 

[IronWing]

Jesus railed against heels with his last hours on earth. We should take heed.

 

[brycejones]

I have complete authority as a person who has to foot the bill for these shenanigans. I am an American taxpayer who has had enough of this foolishness. Read my lips - no more surgeries!

Sorry can't see your lips since your head is up Trump's bum.

 

[brycejones]

Oh, fancy that for a change, 0roo0roo making disingenuous and bullshit arguments:

http://www.military.com/daily-news/...heels-for-sexual-assault-awareness-spurs.html

I bet after one afternoon of volunteering to wear heels, by dinnertime they had all signed up for gender reassignment surgery, or had been traumatised for life and turned into peace-loving commies!

Oh look, there's one not wearing heels. Colour me un-fucking-surprised.

0roo0roo, either you made this BS claim up yourself for your own ends, or someone else's BS somehow passed your BS detector unscathed and you went on to parrot it yourself. Why? How?

LOL like underroos has a BS detector.

 

[ch33zw1z]

He's got a BS detector. He just likes the taste. It's like a homing beacon.

 

[nakedfrog]

And it's time to acquaint yourself with a bit of history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history

That's cute. As long as you've been around, and you think he's willing to entertain an opposing viewpoint or educate himself from any non-alpha (and therefore beta-cuck) website.

 

[mikeymikec]

That's cute. As long as you've been around, and you think he's willing to entertain an opposing viewpoint or educate himself from any non-alpha (and therefore beta-cuck) website.

Frankly I'm not sure I've ever seen him actually argue a viewpoint with multiple sentences in paragraph format before, so that was something new. Maybe he was bored of doing the job of collating a weekly newsletter of bias and bigotry and posting it in semi-related threads? If BM can post second-hand bigotry without looking like a bot most of the time, maybe 0roo0roo can too? 0roo0roo probably has some life goal aspirations.

LOL like underroos has a BS detector.

You don't think that if some random media outlet posted a news article saying that Milo was running an underage boy brothel beneath a pizza parlour that he'd be on Google to fact-check it as fast as a heat-seeking missile?