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President to let state run pot programs alone.

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ch33zw1z said:
Similar to alcohol, states will be free to set limits on personal manufacture of usable product. The vast majority of users will likely just purchase high quality products at a store, as smoking as an viable ingestion method is greatly diminished by alternatives. It's not as easy as one plant in a container and you're ready to roll.
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Is pot garlic bread not a thing anymore then? 🙁
 
IJTSSG said:
Legalize, regulate and tax the fvck out of it. Solve a whole bunch of fiscal shortfalls.
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Careful, now. Tax it, yes. We need to be cautious that we don't over tax it to the point that an illegal black market is still viable/lucrative. One of the key benefits of decriminalization is the elimination of the violent black market.
 
WelshBloke said:
That.
Although if it's legal how are you going to tax stuff grown for person use? Everyone is just going to have a potted pot plant in the kitchen next to the basil.
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You don't even try to tax personal grows. You just try to limit their size to something appropriate for personal consumption. It works most of the time because growing high quality cannabis isn't as easy as just having a plant in the kitchen. There's a whole industry of grow stores providing the equipment & supplies necessary for successful indoor growing. It's starting to creep outdoors here in CO where per plant production can be much greater. The worst case scenario is a fine or somebody stealing it. It's a grey area in CO law where enforcement is generally complaint driven, at least here in Denver.

The other side of it is that ordinary consumers don't want to deal with black market bullshit if they don't have to. They much prefer the safety & convenience of the retail environment.
 
I'm waiting to see this "in other news today" on cable tv on Cnn, Nbc or Fox but the Syria story is manhandling most everything atm.
 
WelshBloke said:
That.
Although if it's legal how are you going to tax stuff grown for person use? Everyone is just going to have a potted pot plant in the kitchen next to the basil.
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I live in a legal recreational state, but no personal growing for recreational use. So, not a problem here.
 
IJTSSG said:
Legalize, regulate and tax the fvck out of it. Solve a whole bunch of fiscal shortfalls.
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I agree with your sentiment, but question what you mean by "tax the fvck out of it".

Reasonable taxation, ala alcohol works just fine, but over taxing allows the black market cartels to under-cut the "legal" price.
 
feralkid said:
I agree with your sentiment, but question what you mean by "tax the fvck out of it".

Reasonable taxation, ala alcohol works just fine, but over taxing allows the black market cartels to under-cut the "legal" price.
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I didn't really mean over tax to the point of diminishing returns but I understand it reads that way. Tax it similar to alcohol or tobacco maybe?
 
IJTSSG said:
I didn't really mean over tax to the point of diminishing returns but I understand it reads that way. Tax it similar to alcohol or tobacco maybe?
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You could probably tax it higher than either of those. Its easier to grow and process than tobacco and the end user doesn't use as much at a time.
 
Jhhnn said:
It works most of the time because growing high quality cannabis isn't as easy as just having a plant in the kitchen.
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"High quality cannabis" is what put ne off pot all together. This weird drive towards making stuff as strong as possible is understandable when it's an illegal product that needs to be smuggled (a small amount of very strong drugs is easier to distribute rather than a large amount of weaker), but it's not great for the user.
It's like if the drinks industry just all tried to make and sell everclear. I want my evening to last. I want to be able to have lots of drinks without getting blasted and enjoy each one. With pot it got to the stage where everyone was blitzed right at the start of the evening.
 
WelshBloke said:
That.
Although if it's legal how are you going to tax stuff grown for person use? Everyone is just going to have a potted pot plant in the kitchen next to the basil.
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Yeah!! Let's also tax those dicks who grow their basil in the kitchen too! And let's stick it to people who have an apple tree in the back yard! Relax. It's going to be OK if we don't tax people who grow and consume their own plants.
 
WelshBloke said:
"High quality cannabis" is what put ne off pot all together. This weird drive towards making stuff as strong as possible is understandable when it's an illegal product that needs to be smuggled (a small amount of very strong drugs is easier to distribute rather than a large amount of weaker), but it's not great for the user.
It's like if the drinks industry just all tried to make and sell everclear. I want my evening to last. I want to be able to have lots of drinks without getting blasted and enjoy each one. With pot it got to the stage where everyone was blitzed right at the start of the evening.
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Legalization presents the ability to do choose strengths, types, ingestion methods, etc...all things that cater to what you want out of it.
 
Pipeline 1010 said:
Yeah!! Let's also tax those dicks who grow their basil in the kitchen too! And let's stick it to people who have an apple tree in the back yard! Relax. It's going to be OK if we don't tax people who grow and consume their own plants.
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I dont think that you should tax people who grow your own. That's kinda my point.
If it's legal why would anyone not grow their own? Its ludicrously easy, especially if you dont have to hide it.
 
ch33zw1z said:
Legalization presents the ability to do choose strengths, types, ingestion methods, etc...all things that cater to what you want out of it.
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Except when you look at products from States where mj is legal, the strength is just crazy. The worst offenders are edibles and the uncaring idiots who sell them. Buy a cookie and read the itty bitty fine print telling you the product contains four portions. When was the last time ANYONE ate less than a whole cookie?
 
MagnusTheBrewer said:
Except when you look at products from States where mj is legal, the strength is just crazy. The worst offenders are edibles and the uncaring idiots who sell them. Buy a cookie and read the itty bitty fine print telling you the product contains four portions. When was the last time ANYONE ate less than a whole cookie?
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Especially when they are stoned!
 
WelshBloke said:
Then we get back to, why would you need to buy it when its so easy to grow?
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Because growing it on your own is not as easy as you would think. And processing it so you don't have to ingest theough your lungs isn't either.

For some, they will...because that's what they want to do. For most, they will buy it at a store because it's easy to get what you want for those categories I mentioned.

Similar to alcohol. While I know many many people who drink, only a select few choose to make their own.
 
MagnusTheBrewer said:
Except when you look at products from States where mj is legal, the strength is just crazy. The worst offenders are edibles and the uncaring idiots who sell them. Buy a cookie and read the itty bitty fine print telling you the product contains four portions. When was the last time ANYONE ate less than a whole cookie?
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Do alcohol bottles tell you not to drink the whole thing? Do cigarettes say don't chain smoke them?

Please, if the customer asks the attendant, they'll tell them not to eat the whole thing.

I understand these are new concepts applied to MJ, but it's not new problems wrt to drugs in general.

Some rookie customer eats the whole cookie? Well, that's rooks for ya. Just like when I was an idiot and took too many shots my first time getting drunk....well maybe I eased up the next time.
 
ch33zw1z said:
Because growing it on your own is not as easy as you would think. And processing it so you don't have to ingest theough your lungs isn't either.
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I've grown a lot of pot over the years. Its ridiculously easy. And you just use it as a herb if you want the easiest way to take it in or buy a vaporizer.
 
WelshBloke said:
I dont think that you should tax people who grow your own. That's kinda my point.
If it's legal why would anyone not grow their own? Its ludicrously easy, especially if you dont have to hide it.
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Yeah your point flew right over my head then. I was probably confused by you saying "Although if it's legal how are you going to tax stuff grown for person use?". That made it seem as if you were concerned about how to tax people who grow their own. I confess I'm still kind of confused.

Lots of things are ludicrously easy to grow yet we can still find them at the supermarket because the overwhelming majority of us just don't wanna deal with actually growing it.
 
Pipeline 1010 said:
Yeah your point flew right over my head then. I was probably confused by you saying "Although if it's legal how are you going to tax stuff grown for person use?". That made it seem as if you were concerned about how to tax people who grow their own. I confess I'm still kind of confused.

Lots of things are ludicrously easy to grow yet we can still find them at the supermarket because the overwhelming majority of us just don't wanna deal with actually growing it.
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Someone said that it should be legalised and taxed (which I agree with), I was just questioning how you tax something that's so easy for anyone to grow.
 
WelshBloke said:
I've grown a lot of pot over the years. Its ridiculously easy. And you just use it as a herb if you want the easiest way to take it in or buy a vaporizer.
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It's easy to grow plants. Growing them for optimal output, fungus free, testing, processing, and assuring quality product is more than just keeping them warm, proper sun, and watered.

And I haven't even touched on the social aspect yet, even under legalization, people are still very scared and judgemental of MJ.

Most of your production and sales will be at a store front and run by businesses, that's just how it is. Some people will grow for personal use, it's just not gonna be prevalent enough to worry about taxing them.
 
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