President to let state run pot programs alone.

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WelshBloke

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Who cares? Let people have the choice to grow or buy it. Why are we discussing this? It is easy to grow apples yet my dumb ass buys them at a store. So does yours :)
Growing an apple tree takes ages and I dont think theres an apple tax (apart from the one on shiny electronics).
 

Pipeline 1010

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Except when you look at products from States where mj is legal, the strength is just crazy. The worst offenders are edibles and the uncaring idiots who sell them. Buy a cookie and read the itty bitty fine print telling you the product contains four portions. When was the last time ANYONE ate less than a whole cookie?

Pass a labeling law. We have LOTS of those. We're good at it.
 

GagHalfrunt

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I'm so happy that the President has decided to recognize the 10th amendment on this issue.

Trump would not recognize or understand the 10th Amendment and would only read it if it was tattooed on a strippers ass. Trump does understand the power of lying to get what he wants, so he makes promises he has no intention of keeping and after he gets more right wing judges appointed then he'll go after pot.
 

WelshBloke

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It's easy to grow plants. Growing them for optimal output, fungus free, testing, processing, and assuring quality product is more than just keeping them warm, proper sun, and watered.

None of that matters. Put a row of plant pots with some dirt in on your window sill. Stick a couple of pot seeds in each one and water each day. You will get lots of pot.
Optimal output doesn't matter when theres no risk or effort involved in growing them!
 

Pipeline 1010

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Growing an apple tree takes ages and I dont think theres an apple tax (apart from the one on shiny electronic

Help me out here. What are you advocating? I'm not sure what or if we are even (dis)agreeing about. You proposed a question of how to tax people who grow stuff for themselves. I think it is irrelevant and that we shouldn't. You think: what???
 

Pipeline 1010

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None of that matters. Put a row of plant pots with some dirt in on your window sill. Stick a couple of pot seeds in each one and water each day. You will get lots of pot.
Optimal output doesn't matter when theres no risk or effort involved in growing them!

Sounds great. Let's allow people to do this and not worry about taxing them for doing so.
 
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None of that matters. Put a row of plant pots with some dirt in on your window sill. Stick a couple of pot seeds in each one and water each day. You will get lots of pot.
Optimal output doesn't matter when theres no risk or effort involved in growing them!
So now you know why people will go buy it. Read a package, pick exactly what you want, be on your way.

Many responsible customers have children and pets at home. Not only do they want the best product possible with the least amount of work, they also want to keep their loved ones from it, just like alcohol.

The discussion started with taxation. The amount of people who will grow on their own will be small compared to those who just pick it up at the store. I don't see how taxing growers at home will be common sense policy.

However, like alcohol, I think the state will limit how many production plants you can have at a time. States already do this with medical patients also.
 
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WelshBloke

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Help me out here. What are you advocating? I'm not sure what or if we are even (dis)agreeing about. You proposed a question of how to tax people who grow stuff for themselves. I think it is irrelevant and that we shouldn't. You think: what???
Someone said that it should be legalised and taxed (which I agree with), I was just questioning how you tax something that's so easy for anyone to grow.
 

Pipeline 1010

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Let's not worry about it. It's a question for like a decade from now. I haven't seen any political discussions of how to tax legalized kitchen-basil growers lately (or ever).
 

WelshBloke

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Let's not worry about it. It's a question for like a decade from now. I haven't seen any political discussions of how to tax legalized kitchen-basil growers lately (or ever).
Well its generally a good idea to discuss stuff before it happens rather than knee jerking and half arsing stuff when it's too late.

If you think stuff should be legalised then its important to think about what that means. I cant think of a drug that's as easy to produce as pot. This means that any tax revenue is going to be low just because if you tax it too high people will just grow their own.

Questions that come up a decade from now are the questions we should be discussing now.
 

WelshBloke

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zinfamous

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I don't get the impression that Trump really gives a crap about pot, but his idiotic AG is a different story. Maybe an encouraging note to this story is Sessions isn't really a fave and might be on his way out.

yeah. my first thought reading the OP is that this is nothing but a jab at the Elf. It's a Trump thing to do. The funny thing is, Trump fucking hates drugs and from everything that is known about him--public proclamations, you know--he advocates the death penalty for dealers and serious prison for users. His bro bro drank himself to death, and it seems to be the one lifelong commitment he has held: no booze, no alcohol. Anyone that touches it is a LooOOoOooser....and now, well, as POTUS: deserves death.

So, obviously, this isn't something he believes in--it is completely counter to the absolute one thing he seems to believe. He's doing it to shove a red-hot poker up his AG's ass, because Trump is such an adult. The best adult.
 

Jhhnn

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yeah. my first thought reading the OP is that this is nothing but a jab at the Elf. It's a Trump thing to do. The funny thing is, Trump fucking hates drugs and from everything that is known about him--public proclamations, you know--he advocates the death penalty for dealers and serious prison for users. His bro bro drank himself to death, and it seems to be the one lifelong commitment he has held: no booze, no alcohol. Anyone that touches it is a LooOOoOooser....and now, well, as POTUS: deserves death.

So, obviously, this isn't something he believes in--it is completely counter to the absolute one thing he seems to believe. He's doing it to shove a red-hot poker up his AG's ass, because Trump is such an adult. The best adult.

Please. He's peddled gambling & booze for decades. Casino drink prices are generally low to help make you stupid...
 

zinfamous

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Please. He's peddled gambling & booze for decades. Casino drink prices are generally low to help make you stupid...

...has he, though? I wonder if that is one of the reasons that his shitty casinos failed--ignoring the booze? :hmm:

Granted, he did have shitty Trump Vodka that failed within a week. Forgot about that one.

Anyway, it's important to note that this is him going along with an Obama order. Trump doesn't do that. You know he has to have a reason...er, target for such a policy.

Trump doesn't do Obama.
 

Ns1

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Re: edibles

Now that it's legal in CA all packaging is VERY CLEARLY Labeled with dosage. They used to have cookies up to 1k mg THC, but they also sell cookies with 5mg THC so you can microdose. There ARE people with high enough tolerance to need 1k cookies to do anything. Others will be fine at 2-3 microdoses.
 

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I've never even tried weed or any other illegal drug. I've seen it fuck up several lives around me, but so long as you are an adult I don't care if you use. All I ask is that users are responsible about it.

We need to do more to keep weed away from our youth, hold parents responsible if their kids are caught smoking it, and do more to prosecute those who do things like smoke weed and drive. Otherwise, the drug war needs to end. Spending more on science based education and less on cops, jails and the failed drug war would be a great start.

The drug war is nothing more than a money grab and job security for police departments at this point. We're relegating a lot of otherwise productive citizens to poverty by giving them a criminal record for smoking pot. That's not good for anyone.
 
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Well its generally a good idea to discuss stuff before it happens rather than knee jerking and half arsing stuff when it's too late.

If you think stuff should be legalised then its important to think about what that means. I cant think of a drug that's as easy to produce as pot. This means that any tax revenue is going to be low just because if you tax it too high people will just grow their own.

Questions that come up a decade from now are the questions we should be discussing now.

You don't have to think it through as if we have no current examples of it already happening. Ask Colorado how their pot tax revenue is coming along.