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[Vette73]

Leave a well fortified presence and give them a hell of a lot of drones. Everyone else leaves, but no one whines when the Taliban takes over and does what they do the the women.

No one seems to be whining about the women in africa so why would this be differant?

 

[Craig234]

Yep we lost thousands of young American lives because we were too scared to use the weapons we had available to us.

Shame.

No, scumbag, we lost thousands of Americans because we sent them to Vietnam. And even if it HAD been justified, the mass slaughter of civilians is not. You are scum. /ignore.

 

[a777pilot]

No, scumbag, we lost thousands of Americans because we sent them to Vietnam. And even if it HAD been justified, the mass slaughter of civilians is not. You are scum. /ignore.

...the mass slaughter of civilians is not.

Then why do you support, accept and defend the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians by the VC and the NVA?

Oh, yes, I forgot, you are a liberal/Democrat and are invoking your double standard.

 

[Craig234]

Then why do you support, accept and defend the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians by the VC and the NVA?

Oh, yes, I forgot, you are a liberal/Democrat and are invoking your double standard.

If we hadn't ignored the Vietnamese request to leave them independent when the Japanese were removed in WWII, instead of supporting France re-colonizing them, there wouldn't have been any VC or NVA or 'killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians'. We didn't do that, we created a split in the country, put a puppet in charge, and had war we chose.

The VC and NVA had problems - but there wasn't any 'great solution'. And stop lying about my position. Are you a scumbag supporting slaughter there?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Ah, but it was done: Linebacker II. That is why the North surrendered and sued for peace.

To little to late.

Hanoi was hit; not the logistic areas that provided the lifeblood.

Had that happened; the supply lines down into SV would have shut down

 

[zinfamous]

At least he thinks so:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/21/barack-obama-and-pentagon-split-on-afghanistan



I guess we'll need something to distract from the @*#(ing disastrous economy, which is not likely to "recover" all that much by the time the election comes around.

how about measures that reduce the cost of the $$billion/day wars going on over there?

You think that has anything to do with addressing our spending issues?

Huh? maybe? you think, uh, perhaps?

or are you one of those guys that thinks you can't work on two issues with one action, that somehow, nothing is connected?

 

[EagleKeeper]

If we hadn't ignored the Vietnamese request to leave them independent when the Japanese were removed in WWII, instead of supporting France re-colonizing them, there wouldn't have been any VC or NVA or 'killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians'. We didn't do that, we created a split in the country, put a puppet in charge, and had war we chose.

The VC and NVA had problems - but there wasn't any 'great solution'. And stop lying about my position. Are you a scumbag supporting slaughter there?

What did the VC & NVA do after we pulled out.

Sing Kumbaya; lets kiss and make up?

 

[Craig234]

What did the VC & NVA do after we pulled out.

Sing Kumbaya; lets kiss and make up?

After they'd already had their country split up and been at war for a decade? Uh, ya.

After the post-war violence - how many slaughters lately?

They're a unified country, without domestic slaughters - something they could have had before millions were killed because of the US deciding to make them a pawn.

 

[a777pilot]

To little to late.

Hanoi was hit; not the logistic areas that provided the lifeblood.

Had that happened; the supply lines down into SV would have shut down

Moving supplies south at that time was the least of the worries of the North.

 

[a777pilot]

If we hadn't ignored the Vietnamese request to leave them independent when the Japanese were removed in WWII, instead of supporting France re-colonizing them, there wouldn't have been any VC or NVA or 'killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians'. We didn't do that, we created a split in the country, put a puppet in charge, and had war we chose.

The VC and NVA had problems - but there wasn't any 'great solution'. And stop lying about my position. Are you a scumbag supporting slaughter there?

1. I agree with the after WWII thing. Poor decision by Ike.

2.

Are you a scumbag supporting slaughter there?

Why yes I am. I am called a Marine and I was there doing my best to kill as many NVA as possible.

 

[werepossum]

If we hadn't ignored the Vietnamese request to leave them independent when the Japanese were removed in WWII, instead of supporting France re-colonizing them, there wouldn't have been any VC or NVA or 'killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians'. We didn't do that, we created a split in the country, put a puppet in charge, and had war we chose.

The VC and NVA had problems - but there wasn't any 'great solution'. And stop lying about my position. Are you a scumbag supporting slaughter there?

If you recall, the Chinese had already colonized North Vietnam by using their armed might to set up and supply a puppet government, later supplanted by Ho Chi Min's Communist government with the aid of the ChiComs and the Soviets. I know YOU don't have any problem with Communism (other than not being able to enact it here) but many of the Vietnamese did, so there was going to be war either way. Remember that when we got involved, South Vietnam was not a French colony, but a free country; the French re-conquest, which by the way the US OPPOSED, had failed. America's choice was then to try to protect this free country from being forcibly taken over by Communists, or to allow it, but either way there was going to be war and slaughter.

Personally I certainly support trying to keep a free people from the soul-crushing evil of communism, even though I don't support the aid we gave the French in the latter part of their war. (Colonialism is in its way as evil as communism. And I certainly don't support the deference we paid to French interests in prosecuting our own war; if they want their damned rubber plantations kept out of bounds, let them send soldiers to deny them to the enemy.)

1. I agree with the after WWII thing. Poor decision by Ike.

2. Why yes I am. I am called a Marine and I was there doing my best to kill as many NVA as possible.

Thank you for your service. Too bad we fought it the way we did. Had we followed the preferences of the Marines and officers like Hackworth rather than politicians like McNamara, Vietnam today might be a unified FREE country with the prosperity of South Korea or Japan.

 

[D-Man]

The sad truth is that all the Nations have to realize that Radical Terrorist no matter where they are need to be stopped. This is a whole world issue that we cannot do alone. When the whole world has had enough we may see an end. When there are problems in the middle east up go the oil prices. The sad part is that people all over the world that are barely hanging on may go without food.

We just need to bring all our troops home, cut off all the aid we can and leave a carrier close by. Our young men and women have paid a very high price for people that frankly are not ready to risk everything for their freedom.

 

[shortylickens]

I dont care that he's a clueless hippy liberal with no respect for people who work hard and pay taxes.
The fact that he is just starting to unfuck the last 10 years speaks volumes and I am glad he's trying.
Not enough to vote for him, but he just got a little more respect.

 

[Craig234]

1. I agree with the after WWII thing. Poor decision by Ike.

Actually, Truman gets the blame for our initial response. Ike added to it, greatly increasing the problems of the cold war with doctrines of supporting right-wing tyrants loyal to us.

2. Why yes I am. I am called a Marine and I was there doing my best to kill as many NVA as possible.

We'll put aside your role as a Marine. The topic was the Nixon quote that he 'didn't care' about killing hundreds of thousands of farmers and wanted to use nukes.

 

[Craig234]

I dont care that he's a clueless hippy liberal with no respect for people who work hard and pay taxes.
The fact that he is just starting to unfuck the last 10 years speaks volumes and I am glad he's trying.
Not enough to vote for him, but he just got a little more respect.

Democrats are the ones who are pro-worker. Republicans are the ones who would like to shift as much wealth from workers to the ultra rich as possible.

You are a sucker for the right-wing propaganda that divides Americans against each other, instead of their being against who's screwing them.

 

[Craig234]

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