President Obama to deliver statement on the Affordable Care Act at 11:35am ET

[ivwshane]

If you actually value the existence of a middle class, then yes, "serious harm" is absolutely accurate.

Since when do you or the previous poster care about the middle class?

 

[cubby1223]

The people that benefit are the millions of people who already have insurance and can now know that they won't have their policies cancelled for so called pre existing conditions, they now know that they won't have to worry about caps, or how millions of teens and young adults can stay on their parents policies, or the millions of people who will no longer wonder how they will pay for the birth of their child and of course the millions of people who couldn't afford care before or weren't able to get it for other reasons.

So... out of your list of praises (of which I do hope you're getting paid to post these messages, otherwise wow...), please point me to the one that reduces costs.

Don't point me to the one that hides costs by shifting them onto a different person, point to the one that actually reduces the cost of the medical procedure.

Or, can you tell me which in that list makes health care available in greater quantity? You have a certain amount of doctors and nurses in an area and each can do a certain amount of tasks each week. Which of those items that send thrills up your leg increases the number of doctors and nurses, and which increases their efficiency allowing them to serve more people?

 

[palehorse]

Everything goes with Messiah meat.

Quote of the Century!!

 

[OutHouse]

Since when do you or the previous poster care about the middle class?

I am in the middle class. Im sick of getting fucked in the ass by my government and the government telling me how to live my life.

 

[palehorse]

Since when do you or the previous poster care about the middle class?

Probably ever since I worked hard to become a member of it a few decades ago?

My guess is that you'd prefer to see all of us join you at the bottom. That fantasy probably works better than Viagra for you.

Yep.

 

[Angry Irishman]

So... out of your list of praises (of which I do hope you're getting paid to post these messages, otherwise wow...), please point me to the one that reduces costs.

Don't point me to the one that hides costs by shifting them onto a different person, point to the one that actually reduces the cost of the medical procedure.

Or, can you tell me which in that list makes health care available in greater quantity? You have a certain amount of doctors and nurses in an area and each can do a certain amount of tasks each week. Which of those items that send thrills up your leg increases the number of doctors and nurses, and which increases their efficiency allowing them to serve more people?

That was all in the ACA pamphlet and on the White House website. It's a new KoolAid flavor....just add water and money (key ingredient) and drink up.

 

[Zodiark1593]

I am in the middle class. Im sick of getting fucked in the ass by my government and the government telling me how to live my life.

It's almost as if there are people who want a socialist society over an individualist society.

 

[Angry Irishman]

I am in the middle class. Im sick of getting fucked in the ass by my government and the government telling me how to live my life.

Careful, the new variety of American isn't encouraged or allowed to question the motives of our every growing federal government. It's all for our own good....just trust because that's such a classic American ideal.

 

[cubby1223]

It's just so fucking stupid. Without increasing efficiency, all the stuff the "supporters" point to are meaningless. It just spreads the denied health care more evenly across the whole population rather than being more commonly found in an easily identifiable group. Now when health care services are denied you cannot say "it's because I'm a part of this group," when it happens all you can say is "it wasn't my lucky day."

And, of course, vote Democrat next election cycle, because they are the party that cares.

 

[ivwshane]

I am in the middle class. Im sick of getting fucked in the ass by my government and the government telling me how to live my life.

Aren't you in the military or dont you have a job who heavily relies on the governments money?

 

[palehorse]

Aren't you in the military or dont you have a job who heavily relies on the governments money?

Relevance?

 

[pcgeek11]

Relevance?

I have to read the response to that!

 

[shira]

not 100% true. he can use a executive order to change it. the question is is that legal? and who would fight it?

the next year should be rather chaotic.

It will be highly amusing if the President orders that people can keep their non-compliant policies when righties express outrage that the President is doing this.

I mean consider the contradiction:

Righties: "It's outrageous that millions of people aren't able to keep their old insurance policies."
President: "I'm ordering HHS to allow people to keep their old policies."
Righties: "It's outrageous that the President is changing the law."

Yeah, that position by the right will sell REALLY well.

 

[compuwiz1]

Since when do you or the previous poster care about the middle class?

I worked my ass off for years to become part of the middle class. What did you do? You sound like a typical lefty who thinks all good things come from government intervention. Yes, I gots mine, on my own. I don't owe any liberal types what I have have earned. Go make your own and quit bitching about those who have what they have from their own hard work. It really is possible to achieve something in this country, but you'd have to pull your head out of Obama's ass in order to do that.

 

[Angry Irishman]

It will be highly amusing if the President orders that people can keep their non-compliant policies when righties express outrage that the President is doing this.

I mean consider the contradiction:

Righties: "It's outrageous that millions of people aren't able to keep their old insurance policies."
President: "I'm ordering HHS to allow people to keep their old policies."
Righties: "It's outrageous that the President is changing the law."

Yeah, that position by the right will sell REALLY well.

It's a bigger issue than the righties or lefties.....it's not Constitutional.

 

[ivwshane]

So... out of your list of praises (of which I do hope you're getting paid to post these messages, otherwise wow...), please point me to the one that reduces costs.

Don't point me to the one that hides costs by shifting them onto a different person, point to the one that actually reduces the cost of the medical procedure.

Or, can you tell me which in that list makes health care available in greater quantity? You have a certain amount of doctors and nurses in an area and each can do a certain amount of tasks each week. Which of those items that send thrills up your leg increases the number of doctors and nurses, and which increases their efficiency allowing them to serve more people?

Google is your is your friend:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101065202
http://www.rwjf.org/content/dam/farm/reports/issue_briefs/2011/rwjf71451

 

[ivwshane]

Relevance?

He is the government

The people fucking him over would be the people who vote for policies that negatively affect him.

 

[cubby1223]

Google is your is your friend:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101065202
http://www.rwjf.org/content/dam/farm/reports/issue_briefs/2011/rwjf71451

The first item in the first link is this:

One of the ACA's cost-cutting tools is financially penalizing hospitals by reducing government Medicare reimbursements to them if they have an excess number of patients who are released from the hospital and then readmitted within a month for heart attacks, heart failure and and pneumonia.

I'm so glad you have that thrill going up your leg! This cost-cutting, efficiency boosting tool is so amazing in it's epic awesomeness! To me, this "cost-cutting tool" says "more tests and more procedures for many more people," in the hope that the plethora of extra tests costs less than the heart attacks from a small percentage of those people.

It's that hope you love so much!

And, every test given to one person is time not spent helping another person. How's that for efficiency? You're just pointing to the talking points and hoping the President didn't "mislead" us on these items like his "spotless" track record has proven.

Congrats for putting absolutely no thought into your opinions, I very much appreciate your dedication to your political views, you have been a wonderful, wonderful help to this forum community.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Google is your is your friend:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101065202
http://www.rwjf.org/content/dam/farm/reports/issue_briefs/2011/rwjf71451

Yeah... none of that actually addresses the ACTUAL health care costs.

It is full of fail. It is attempting (poorly) to treat the symptom, not the cause. Very much like so many drugs these days, actually...

 

[Slew Foot]

Im not an expert in actuarial science but it seems like it is financially unstable to have two completely different risk pools buying insurance. One pool full of high risk old people who bought insurance off the exchange at a supposedly discounted rate because of young healthy people buying expensive insurance that they werent going to use. But instead the young healthy people get to keep their old cheap non-comprehensive insurance that they bought before ACA in the second pool.

It seems to me that the exchange insurance would have to rise in cost.

 

[ivwshane]

The first item in the first link is this:



I'm so glad you have that thrill going up your leg! This cost-cutting, efficiency boosting tool is so amazing in it's epic awesomeness!

Lol! I provide sources and you provide what exactly? You seem to be the one with the thrill up your leg.

Here is another article with citations to studies addressing your concerns.

http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/41...Act-Does-Much-to-Contain-Health-Care-Cost.pdf

Again, google is your friend. If you guys weren't so fucking dishonest you would actually research this shit yourself and supply your own facts.
Unfortunately you guys are dishonest which is why you never cite credible sources, let alone any sources at all.

 

[ivwshane]

Yeah... none of that actually addresses the ACTUAL health care costs.

It is full of fail. It is attempting (poorly) to treat the symptom, not the cause. Very much like so many drugs these days, actually...

The question was how does the ACA reduce costs to the consumer it wasn't how does it address actual health care costs, which I'm sure you mean to mean something very specific.

Try actually debating the argument at hand and not addressing straw man arguments and you wouldn't be so full of fail

 

[Angry Irishman]

Relevance?

Whatever you do....don't retire and receive a pension you've earned for you military service. That will make you a thief and part of the problem according to him. Never mind the taxes you pay contribute to your own pension. Yep, I've been down that rabbit hole; do yourself a favor and just don't go there. Oh yea, you'll automatically be accused of looking down on poor people as well...forgot to mention that.

 

[ivwshane]

Whatever you do....don't retire and receive a pension you've earned for you military service. That will make you a taker and part of the problem according to him. Yep, I've been down that rabbit hole; do yourself a favor and just don't go there. Oh yea, you'll automatically be accused of looking down on poor people as well...forgot to mention that.

It's kind of hard to be "fucked in the ass by government" when your whole life has been paid for by said government. I'm sure the irony is lost on you

 

[SparkyJJO]

The question was how does the ACA reduce costs to the consumer it wasn't how does it address actual health care costs, which I'm sure you mean to mean something very specific.

Try actually debating the argument at hand and not addressing straw man arguments and you wouldn't be so full of fail

Explain where these "savings" are coming from again because the vast majority of what I've been hearing is everyone complaining their costs are going UP, and not by just a little bit either in many cases.

I'm talking to an agent at noon about my insurance since it is getting canned and odds are I'm not going to be too happy with what I hear.