ivwshane
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If you actually value the existence of a middle class, then yes, "serious harm" is absolutely accurate.
Since when do you or the previous poster care about the middle class?
If you actually value the existence of a middle class, then yes, "serious harm" is absolutely accurate.
The people that benefit are the millions of people who already have insurance and can now know that they won't have their policies cancelled for so called pre existing conditions, they now know that they won't have to worry about caps, or how millions of teens and young adults can stay on their parents policies, or the millions of people who will no longer wonder how they will pay for the birth of their child and of course the millions of people who couldn't afford care before or weren't able to get it for other reasons.
Since when do you or the previous poster care about the middle class?
Probably ever since I worked hard to become a member of it a few decades ago?Since when do you or the previous poster care about the middle class?
So... out of your list of praises (of which I do hope you're getting paid to post these messages, otherwise wow...), please point me to the one that reduces costs.
Don't point me to the one that hides costs by shifting them onto a different person, point to the one that actually reduces the cost of the medical procedure.
Or, can you tell me which in that list makes health care available in greater quantity? You have a certain amount of doctors and nurses in an area and each can do a certain amount of tasks each week. Which of those items that send thrills up your leg increases the number of doctors and nurses, and which increases their efficiency allowing them to serve more people?
It's almost as if there are people who want a socialist society over an individualist society.I am in the middle class. Im sick of getting fucked in the ass by my government and the government telling me how to live my life.
I am in the middle class. Im sick of getting fucked in the ass by my government and the government telling me how to live my life.
I am in the middle class. Im sick of getting fucked in the ass by my government and the government telling me how to live my life.
Relevance?Aren't you in the military or dont you have a job who heavily relies on the governments money?
not 100% true. he can use a executive order to change it. the question is is that legal? and who would fight it?
the next year should be rather chaotic.
Since when do you or the previous poster care about the middle class?
It will be highly amusing if the President orders that people can keep their non-compliant policies when righties express outrage that the President is doing this.
I mean consider the contradiction:
Righties: "It's outrageous that millions of people aren't able to keep their old insurance policies."
President: "I'm ordering HHS to allow people to keep their old policies."
Righties: "It's outrageous that the President is changing the law."
Yeah, that position by the right will sell REALLY well.
So... out of your list of praises (of which I do hope you're getting paid to post these messages, otherwise wow...), please point me to the one that reduces costs.
Don't point me to the one that hides costs by shifting them onto a different person, point to the one that actually reduces the cost of the medical procedure.
Or, can you tell me which in that list makes health care available in greater quantity? You have a certain amount of doctors and nurses in an area and each can do a certain amount of tasks each week. Which of those items that send thrills up your leg increases the number of doctors and nurses, and which increases their efficiency allowing them to serve more people?
Relevance?
Google is your is your friend:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101065202
http://www.rwjf.org/content/dam/farm/reports/issue_briefs/2011/rwjf71451
One of the ACA's cost-cutting tools is financially penalizing hospitals by reducing government Medicare reimbursements to them if they have an excess number of patients who are released from the hospital and then readmitted within a month for heart attacks, heart failure and and pneumonia.
Google is your is your friend:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101065202
http://www.rwjf.org/content/dam/farm/reports/issue_briefs/2011/rwjf71451
The first item in the first link is this:
I'm so glad you have that thrill going up your leg! This cost-cutting, efficiency boosting tool is so amazing in it's epic awesomeness!
Yeah... none of that actually addresses the ACTUAL health care costs.
It is full of fail. It is attempting (poorly) to treat the symptom, not the cause. Very much like so many drugs these days, actually...
Relevance?
Whatever you do....don't retire and receive a pension you've earned for you military service. That will make you a taker and part of the problem according to him. Yep, I've been down that rabbit hole; do yourself a favor and just don't go there. Oh yea, you'll automatically be accused of looking down on poor people as well...forgot to mention that.
The question was how does the ACA reduce costs to the consumer it wasn't how does it address actual health care costs, which I'm sure you mean to mean something very specific.
Try actually debating the argument at hand and not addressing straw man arguments and you wouldn't be so full of fail