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President Obama announces support for gay marriage

I can only assume that fundraising isn't where he thought it would be.

but maybe I'm a cynic and no politician anywhere would take a stand on an issue to fill their warchest and generate some good press.
 
loki8481 said:
I can only assume that fundraising isn't where he thought it would be.

but maybe I'm a cynic and no politician anywhere would take a stand on an issue to fill their warchest and generate some good press.
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Silly you. Pandering is also an strong incentive for a politician to take or abandon a position. 😉

(Not that I think Obama is doing that here)
 
and, as always, I'm really confused over why liberals (and gays) care more about gay marriage than ENDA.

not every gay will get married in their lifetime, legalized or not, but just about every single one of them will hold a job and have to worry about getting fired for their sexuality.

(not that it's expressly an either/or, but there's only so much oxygen in the room and it feels like it's all being given to what I'd consider a far less serious issue)
 
So...is he going to drive away right-leaning, undecided voters, or will he gain support from those right-leaning undecided voters who pride themselves on being open-minded?



(is there even such a thing as an "open-minded right-wing leaning voter?)
 
Glad he finally found his balls & was ready to tell the bigots to go fuck themselves.

Now it is up to the black community to decide which is more important to them, supporting Obama or hating gays.
 
The naked pander of 2008 has come full circle! Obama's position on gay marriage has evolved back into the position he originally held.

I'm sort of surprised though, I thought he was going to just have most of his administration come out in support of gay marriage in order to give it a half hearted endorsement. Turns out they were just trial balloons for his own move. I'm happy to see it.
 
Nice to see, but I think it's possibly a risky strategy. He's definately going to mobilize the nut job homophobes. Look at NC think he'll win the electoral colledge votes from that state?
 
Political expediency at its best or calamitous miscalculation in timing?

Either way, Obama has won over a HUGE voting bloc of same-sex people who will put their massive PR machine in support of his reelection this year.

Obama sure is a deft tactician. :twisted:
 
hal2kilo said:
Nice to see, but I think it's possibly a risky strategy. He's definitely going to mobilize the nut job homophobes. Look at NC think he'll win the electoral college votes from that state?
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Could be that by putting that position out there so early in the campaign, the anger will have settled down come November. We're still six months out, and the population's political memory remains short.
 
This must solve all our problems now. I will vote for Obama just for this. Give him a second Nobel Peace prize!!
 
loki8481 said:
and, as always, I'm really confused over why liberals (and gays) care more about gay marriage than ENDA.

not every gay will get married in their lifetime, legalized or not, but just about every single one of them will hold a job and have to worry about getting fired for their sexuality.

(not that it's expressly an either/or, but there's only so much oxygen in the room and it feels like it's all being given to what I'd consider a far less serious issue)
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I think the reason is that Gay marriage will do more to bring social acceptance than ENDA. The results of ENDA will be mostly quiet, and aren't likely to drastically change people's opinions. Gay marriage, on the other hand, moves homosexual relationships a long way toward cultural normalcy.

Another way to think about it is that once you have nationwide gay marriage, getting ENDA will be easy. ENDA, however, doesn't really make it much easier to get gay marriage.
 
Yesterday's vote was a damn good reason to move the DNC from NC this summer. Why let them make any money from convention visitors when they are such haters?
 
Baasha said:
Political expediency at its best or calamitous miscalculation in timing?

Either way, Obama has won over a HUGE voting bloc of same-sex people who will put their massive PR machine in support of his reelection this year.

Obama sure is a deft tactician. :twisted:
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I'd guess his internal polling has simply told him that the country has moved far enough left that he won't pay a significant electoral price for doing so, knowing that his fundraising will benefit.
 
So when Romney does this, it's called a "flip flop", when obummer does it, he's wonderful. Typical hypocrisy.

Add this to the list of many reasons why obummer is terrible.
 
Baasha said:
Political expediency at its best or calamitous miscalculation in timing?

Either way, Obama has won over a HUGE voting bloc of same-sex people who will put their massive PR machine in support of his reelection this year.

Obama sure is a deft tactician. :twisted:
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Obama already had their vote.
 
loki8481 said:
and, as always, I'm really confused over why liberals (and gays) care more about gay marriage than ENDA.

not every gay will get married in their lifetime, legalized or not, but just about every single one of them will hold a job and have to worry about getting fired for their sexuality.

(not that it's expressly an either/or, but there's only so much oxygen in the room and it feels like it's all being given to what I'd consider a far less serious issue)
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Not if they hold jobs in one of the 21 states that have laws against it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_States#Employment
Twenty-one states, the District of Columbia, and over 140 cities and counties have enacted such bans. The states banning sexual orientation discrimination in employment are California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, and Wisconsin (the first state to do so, in 1982).[29] Four states have laws prohibiting sexual orientation discrimination in public workplaces only: Indiana, Michigan, Montana, and Pennsylvania. On November 22, 2007, Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm issued an order guarding the rights of transgender men and women. She prohibited discrimination of state workers based on gender identity or expression.[30] Many of these laws also ban discrimination in other contexts, such as housing or public accommodation. A proposed bill to ban anti-gay employment discrimination nationwide, known as the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), has been introduced in the U.S. Congress, but its prospects of passage are not believed to be good under a Republican-controlled Congress.
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PokerGuy said:
So when Romney does this, it's called a "flip flop", when obummer does it, he's wonderful. Typical hypocrisy.

Add this to the list of many reasons why obummer is terrible.
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Well that's ridiculous. It's wonderful because it's the right thing to do. Why would someone be mad about Obama 'changing' his mind to the morally right choice? Of course it's a flip flop (although really, his pandering moment seemed to be in 2008 with his opposition, not now)

I'm going to assume you weren't able to understand the Romney thread. Romney argued against government involved bankruptcy for GM and Chrysler. Then after it became a success, he stated that was his idea all along. If you can't see a difference there that just tells us a lot about you.
 
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