President Barack Obama to Make Historic Speech to America?s Students

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: sandorski
It's not everyday or even every year that a President addresses Students. I didn't realize that encouraging kids to do well in School was such a Political hot potato.

If he limits his speech to this

During this special address, the president will speak directly to the nation?s children and youth about persisting and succeeding in school. The president will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning.

then I'd agree that it would be GREAT for kids to hear that from any POTUS. I think Obama will probably stick to this.

But if he goes beyond that, then I have a problem. Kids are trained from birth to trust, believe, and obey people in authority and doing this in a school setting further reinforces that. Kids don't have a well-developed ability to analyze as (most) adults do.

Just off the top of my head, I've seen a lot of personal attacks in this thread. Most have been by so-called liberals against conservatives. P&N never fails to disappoint (or at least entertain)!

The child's deference to, trust, and belief in authority is not universal; it is certainly a product of parenting style.

 

[DealMonkey]

Only the morons on the "right" could be so stupid as to politicize a speech encouraging kids to take personal responsibility for their education.

:roll:

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: spidey07
You're trying to turn this into "you don't want to expose your kid to different ideologies". It's not. It's protesting obama's idealogies. Pulling your kids out of school, writing letters to the school demanding they have an alternative to being force fed this is PROTESTING those ideologies that people disagree with.

This protesting seems to be gathering a lot of support as well.
:thumbsup:

You should pull your kids entirely out of school, that way they'll never learn anything that might upset you. I'm sure the space they leave in the school will be better filled by someone else. Maybe they'll go get illegal immigrants to fill in.

 

[monovillage]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: spidey07
You're trying to turn this into "you don't want to expose your kid to different ideologies". It's not. It's protesting obama's idealogies. Pulling your kids out of school, writing letters to the school demanding they have an alternative to being force fed this is PROTESTING those ideologies that people disagree with.

This protesting seems to be gathering a lot of support as well.
:thumbsup:

Thankfully we don't have to worry about any parents in my school district using their children as political pawns. But, if they kept their child home for that reason, they've got 19 days of school left to miss before their kid fails. (Miss more than 20 days & you receive 0's for everything else after that point.)

No, you just have to worry about the President using the children in your school district as political pawns.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: monovillage

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: spidey07
You're trying to turn this into "you don't want to expose your kid to different ideologies". It's not. It's protesting obama's idealogies. Pulling your kids out of school, writing letters to the school demanding they have an alternative to being force fed this is PROTESTING those ideologies that people disagree with.

This protesting seems to be gathering a lot of support as well.
:thumbsup:

Thankfully we don't have to worry about any parents in my school district using their children as political pawns. But, if they kept their child home for that reason, they've got 19 days of school left to miss before their kid fails. (Miss more than 20 days & you receive 0's for everything else after that point.)

No, you just have to worry about the President using the children in your school district as political pawns.

Agreed, after all we're talking about the man who supported legislation to teach sexual education to kindergartners. It's true, for serial!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
162 posts on a speech that hasn't happened yet. Amazing!

You should see other forums filled with freedom loving people. Hundreds of posts heeding the call to pull their kids out of school on this day to protest obama. It will be interesting to see school attendance that day. If we're lucky it will really send a message that we will not stand for his crap.

since when is encouraging kids to study and stay out of trouble crap????
You are so wrong about other forums......its always easierr to make crap up than admit you hate Obama!!

Sure you can post what others are saying on other forums but truth be told your proof would be from people who like you don`t want anything good to be said about doing well in school and staying out of trouble!!

 

[FoBoT]

the federal government has no constitutional authority to be involved in school curricula, there is no relationship between my local school board and the President of the United States

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
162 posts on a speech that hasn't happened yet. Amazing!

You should see other forums filled with freedom loving people. Hundreds of posts heeding the call to pull their kids out of school on this day to protest obama. It will be interesting to see school attendance that day. If we're lucky it will really send a message that we will not stand for his crap.

Good job on taking a noble stand against the President telling kids to study hard in school! Do you realize that you idiots are the ones screwing over the Republican party? My friend's dad never voted for a Democrat in his life, and he was racist as all hell. He STILL voted for Obama (and claimed he was voting for the white half... no joke), specifically because he said he just couldn't vote along with the 'crazies' anymore. (his words)

Your insanity is turning off other people who might vote Republican otherwise, because they see you foaming at the mouth about the President talking to kids about succeeding in life and wonder what the hell is wrong with the right.

What is it that you don't understand that it's not the President's role to do such. --Who says the President of the United states is not suppoose to be able to encourage kids to study and stay out of trouble?



Is he supposed to be some Pied Piper of the Children? Oh, it's because he's the President so we should just go along with it.

I don't claim there is an ulterior motive behind his speech (even if I called him a far-left socialist), I just do not believe that this is something any Federal employee should be doing. --The president of the US in NOT a federal Employee...there is a huge difference between a federal employee and POTUS!!

I didn't care for Bush going elementaries to read to children and I certainly don't approve of this.

It's amazing to me the number of people that have lost the concept of seperating the Fed from the states. We have no problem arguing the seperation of Church and State, but Fed mingling with states is no problem.

,--you are amazing!! I am saddenned for your children and any people you would spout this crap too having to hear this from somebody who truly has no clue!
so now its a Fed vs States thing?

HA!

and Obama is just another "fed employee"...now that is a shame.

from day one our kids are taught to respect their elders, and those people that hold positions of office and responsibility....policemen, firefighters, congressmen/women, etc etc all the way up to POTUS. And now along comes daddy CPA telling his kids he doesn't want them to watch the President of the United States even when the President wants to talk to them about doing well in school....I know the first thing that would come out of my 11yo and 7 yo's mouth is "Why?"

So tell us "father of the year" What are you going to say to your kids when the President of the United States wants to come on TV and speak to all of the kids across the country and you are not going to let your kids watch?

Man, even if it was GWB doing this back in 2005 I would trust he would say what is age appropriate for my kids...you can't even afford Obama the same courtesy. And yes your kids are going to grow up just like you and its a shame.

Why is that so hard to believe? Or are you on the "he is black" bandwagon? If you've read my other posts, you would know that I am strong anti-fed. If you think that's a weak argument to my kids, then that's your opinion. But it is the argument I will lay out to my kids when asked "why".

I discuss these things with my kids frequently. My main concern is that we continue to let the Federal government come into our daily lives without any recourse. We have become dependent on the Federal government. Now we have the President coming into all schools simutaneously. I find that inappropriate.

Has this country come to the point that we are at a "no return" position? Many states are starting to raise 10th Amendment claims against the Feds because of intrusion. I was hopefully optimistic we would see something come of it, but after reading posts in this thread, I now understand why we are losing our Republic.

 

[spidey07]

A real good synopsis. This really hits on the creepiness aspect of it.

http://www.ednews.org/blogs/wh...en-on-september-8.html

"For example, before the speech teachers are supposed to have students excerpt ?notable quotes? from Obama?s speeches about education. They are to ask students, ?How will he inspire us?? The words ?inspire? and ?Inspiring? are used numerous times in the lesson plan. Teachers are also supposed to ask students ?What other historic moments do you remember when the President spoke to the nation?? Young students are supposed to prepare for the speech by ?reading books about Barack Obama.? After the speech, it?s suggested that students ?Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president.? (Not their country, or their family or themselves but the president!)

Perhaps most ominously, teachers are supposed to ask students, ?Why is it important that we listen to the President and other elected officials?? What happened to teaching critical thinking and the responsibility citizens have to question elected officials and policies?"

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
the federal government has no constitutional authority to be involved in school curricula, their is no relationship between my local school board and the President of the United States

And this is the argument why there should be

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Only the morons on the "right" could be so stupid as to politicize a speech encouraging kids to take personal responsibility for their education.

:roll:

Flaming loons blinded by hate. If President Obama said eat your vegetables, they would accuse him of a socialist agriculture agenda.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: spidey07
A real good synopsis. This really hits on the creepiness aspect of it.

http://www.ednews.org/blogs/wh...en-on-september-8.html

"For example, before the speech teachers are supposed to have students excerpt ?notable quotes? from Obama?s speeches about education. They are to ask students, ?How will he inspire us?? The words ?inspire? and ?Inspiring? are used numerous times in the lesson plan. Teachers are also supposed to ask students ?What other historic moments do you remember when the President spoke to the nation?? Young students are supposed to prepare for the speech by ?reading books about Barack Obama.? After the speech, it?s suggested that students ?Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president.? (Not their country, or their family or themselves but the president!)

Perhaps most ominously, teachers are supposed to ask students, ?Why is it important that we listen to the President and other elected officials?? What happened to teaching critical thinking and the responsibility citizens have to question elected officials and policies?"

WHo needs a synopsis? Read the freaking thing yourself. If you find something "ominous" you're demented.

http://www.ed.gov/teachers/how/lessons/prek-6.pdf
http://www.ed.gov/teachers/how/lessons/7-12.pdf

Remember this is the President of the United States of America talking to the students of our country. You know, the president. That's the office we tell little people they can one day fill when we try to let them know they can accomplish anything.

The speech itself will be released Tuesday before he gives it. I can't wait to see the wackos run with the actual text.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: jonks

WHo needs a synopsis? Read the freaking thing yourself. If you find something "ominous" you're demented.

http://www.ed.gov/teachers/how/lessons/prek-6.pdf
http://www.ed.gov/teachers/how/lessons/7-12.pdf

Remember this is the President of the United States of America talking to the students of our country. You know, the president. That's the office we tell little people they can one day fill when we try to let them know they can accomplish anything.

I already posted the links to that. It's totally creepy. I suggest everybody else read them as well to really see what he's trying to do here. Programming young minds. The parts about picking out quotes and words and writing them down, repeating them. That's brainwashing 101. This is obviously a very well thought out plan to really sink this "historic speech" into impressionable young minds. It's freaking disgusting is what it is.

Also realize that 75% of these high school students will be able to vote in 2012.

Nobody really has a problem with a pres saying stay in school, it's the freaky programming lesson that went along with it.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: jonks

WHo needs a synopsis? Read the freaking thing yourself. If you find something "ominous" you're demented.

http://www.ed.gov/teachers/how/lessons/prek-6.pdf
http://www.ed.gov/teachers/how/lessons/7-12.pdf

Remember this is the President of the United States of America talking to the students of our country. You know, the president. That's the office we tell little people they can one day fill when we try to let them know they can accomplish anything.

I already posted the links to that. It's totally creepy. I suggest everybody else read them as well to really see what he's trying to do here. Programming young minds. The parts about picking out quotes and words and writing them down, repeating them. That's brainwashing 101. This is obviously a very well thought out plan to really sink this "historic speech" into impressionable young minds. It's freaking disgusting is what it is.

Also realize that 75% of these high school students will be able to vote in 2012.

Repeating words...like learning the pledge of allegiance? Or vocabulary?

What's funny is this would normally be a troll post but you actually reflect the mindset of the political opposition. Maybe america really is headed down the shitter.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: FoBoT
the federal government has no constitutional authority to be involved in school curricula, their is no relationship between my local school board and the President of the United States

And this is the argument why there should be

<facepalm!>

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: CPA
My kids will be pulled from classroom during this. Call it radical rightism, call it fear-mongering, call it what you want, but I don't want my kids listening, being associated with or discussing the merits of a far-left radical.

Far-left radicals like Thomas Jefferson or George Washington either, right? How about Jesus?

You are a bad parent. To be so frightened that your child might hear something that disagrees with your own view... Are you so bad at teaching your own viewpoint to your children that any conflicting viewpoint will immediately win them over? Or is it simply because your own viewpoint is indefensible?

hahahah, you don't know me from Adam. Nice generalization.

You all judge with no evidence but one statement. Bad parenting? How about your bad logic.

I don't need to defend my stance, I don't need to defend my ideals. My point is as a parent it is my responsibility to shield where I think it's appropriate. At this point in their life, I feel it is. I certainly don't believe it is necessary nor appropriate for any President to speak to my kids without my consent. Same goes for any other adult. When they are older they are free to choose on their own. My house is not a democracy, it is a benevolent dictatorship. If that's bad parenting, so be it.

For those who asked about Jesus, George Washington or others. I don't need to worry about those any longer. Schools no longer teach about them enough that it matters.

Wow dude, keep on failing. I think you've been pegged, you just don't like it.

 

[fskimospy]

I know I'm as guilty of it as anyone, but why do we bother arguing with Spidey? I guess in some ways it's sort of fun to kick him around, but I'm starting to feel bad. If he's not trolling, he has serious emotional problems.

 

[galperi1]

I read some of the replies in this thread and weep for the future of America. I honestly can't believe how much steam this has picked up. Not too long along it would be considered an honor to have your kid(s) addressed by the POTUS (the leader of the free world) telling them to stay in school and how important their education is to the future of this country irregardless of if you were a democrat, independent, republican, conservative, liberal, etc. It was wrong when the Dem's protested Bush back in the day for his address and it just as wrong what the Republicans are doing today.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Vic
I'm surprised wingnuts don't get freaked out by the military enlistment oath. It's getting that silly.

The wingnuts are freaked out about it, that's why they are trying to slip a subliminal serve your president message into the schools and why there is so much talk about forming these civilian manned Heil Barry protection brigades.


Those grounded in sanity;however, realize that the military oath is to that thing the wingnuts would like to shred, which we call the constitution, whomever currently serving as president be damned.

 

[spidey07]

Wall Street Journal op-ed piece. Again, really gets to the heart of the whole creepiness factor. Remember, they've already changed the questions/less plan it once or twice. Got caught in an oops moment - "oops, the people saw what we're trying to do, quick! change it!"

http://online.wsj.com/article/...74389590915908388.html

"On the other hand, the Department of Education goes a little too far in its lesson plans for teachers to use in conjunction with the speech?especially the one for grades 7 through 12. Before the speech, teachers are urged to use "notable quotes excerpted (and posted in large print on board) from President Obama's speeches about education" and to "brainstorm" with students about the question "How will he inspire us?" Suggested topics for postspeech discussion include "What resonated with you from President Obama's speech?" and "What is President Obama inspiring you to do?"

This seems to cross the line between respecting the office and aggrandizing the man who currently holds it. As the President and his speechwriters prepare for school on Tuesday, we hope they will be more circumspect than the education bureaucracy. "

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: tk149
If he limits his speech to this

During this special address, the president will speak directly to the nation?s children and youth about persisting and succeeding in school. The president will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning.

then I'd agree that it would be GREAT for kids to hear that from any POTUS. I think Obama will probably stick to this.

But if he goes beyond that, then I have a problem. Kids are trained from birth to trust, believe, and obey people in authority and doing this in a school setting further reinforces that. Kids don't have a well-developed ability to analyze as (most) adults do.

Just off the top of my head, I've seen a lot of personal attacks in this thread. Most have been by so-called liberals against conservatives. P&N never fails to disappoint (or at least entertain)!

The child's deference to, trust, and belief in authority is not universal; it is certainly a product of parenting style.

True, but I don't know any parents who haven't tried to teach their kids to listen to parents, older relatives, and teachers (i.e. authority figures). Younger kids, of course, are more trusting.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: First

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: First
There's a whole lot of batshit crazy in this thread and man, it is entertaining. A healthcare bill with a fully funded public option will be here in no time yet these fringe nuts truly believe the Dems won't/can't pass it with supermajorities? Too funny.

Changing your name doesn't erase the fact that you're always wrong.

It's an aversion to being stalked by Minnesotan bumpkins.

Still bitter from a day at the help desk?

We get it Boober, you hate yourself.

 

[nageov3t]

this whole "controversy" is retarded.

for Obama to indoctrinate kids, they'd have to first be paying attention. I think this speech will be "historical" in that at no time in history will so many kids across the nation be simultaneously staring out the window and doodling in their notebooks.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: loki8481
this whole "controversy" is retarded.

for Obama to indoctrinate kids, they'd have to first be paying attention. I think this speech will be "historical" in that at no time in history will so many kids across the nation be simultaneously staring out the window and doodling in their notebooks.

Lol, you are probably right:laugh:

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: spidey07
-snip-
Also realize that 75% of these high school students will be able to vote in 2012.

Interesting point.

I see no problem with any President encouraging school kids to study hard and succeed. In fact, I support that because I think it's a good idea. Too many AA kids seem (from what I've read) to avoid school etc in favor of hoping for a carrer in sports, perhaps Obama could inspire them to take school more seriously and succeed with him as a positive example.

Normally, I'd wait until I heard the speech before complaiing about it. But, comments about 'us serving the President' (and it looks to have originally been in this upcoming speech, and it was in the 4 minute commercial shown to school kids) are concerning - even creepy as another poster has said.

We don't serve the President, he serves us. Now, if anybody wants to ask school kids to serve our country, that's another matter and I'm fine with it.

But us serving the President? That's a creepy 'cult of personality' type thing and shame on anybody defending that. (That commercial shown to school kids actually encouraged them to be servants of Obama) :disgust:

Fern