Premier wants Israeli troops at Palestinian border

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Netanyahu is very correct in his assertion that an international force deployed at the border would NOT be able to secure the borders!
It`s been proven time and again that forces put in place to observe are worthless.....they continually turn a blind eye towards acts of aggression against Israel....

Can you blame Israel for not trusting anything having to do with the UN? based on the voting record of member countries against Israel!


On Monday, Netanyahu drove home this position in great detail — angering the Palestinians, who flatly reject the idea as an infringement of their prospective sovereignty. They have proposed that an international force be deployed instead.

"I don't believe that under these circumstances, international troops will do the job," Netanyahu said in a conference call with U.S. Jewish leaders. "The only force that can be relied on to defend the Jewish people is the Israeli Defense Force."



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100921/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians_16

JERUSALEM – Israel's leader is demanding that Israeli troops remain on the border of a future Palestinian state with neighboring Jordan, further antagonizing the Palestinians at a time when they are already threatening to walk out of peace talks.

The negotiations, which resumed this month in Washington after a two-year breakdown, are foundering over Palestinian demands that Israel extend a curb on Jewish construction in the West Bank. That curb, in place for 10 months, is set to expire Sunday.

Israel's military chief told lawmakers on Tuesday that the military was preparing for possible clashes between Israelis and Palestinians should the negotiations run aground.

Resolution of the settlement building dispute is critical to the fate of the peace talks because the Palestinians say they won't negotiate unless the construction slowdown continues.

For Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the cardinal factor for Israel in any peace deal is the Jewish state's security. He has contended that Israel must maintain a troop presence along the border with Jordan to keep Palestinian militants from smuggling in weapons to the West Bank after a peace deal is reached.

On Monday, Netanyahu drove home this position in great detail — angering the Palestinians, who flatly reject the idea as an infringement of their prospective sovereignty. They have proposed that an international force be deployed instead.

"I don't believe that under these circumstances, international troops will do the job," Netanyahu said in a conference call with U.S. Jewish leaders. "The only force that can be relied on to defend the Jewish people is the Israeli Defense Force."

That will never happen, said Palestinian spokesman Husam Zomlot, adding that "not one Israeli soldier" will be permitted to remain in a future Palestinian state.

"An international presence will be able to monitor and enforce security once the political situation has been sorted (out)," Zomlot said.

Military chief Lt. Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi underscored concerns of possible violence should the talks falter.

"The Palestinians have sober expectations that something positive will come out of the talks," he told parliament's foreign affairs and defense committee, according to a participant in the meeting. "The level of expectations will produce a similar level of disappointment (should talks fail)."

Ashkenazi said the military was planning for this scenario and a possible eruption of violence, but that he didn't expect violence to reach the levels of 2000 — when a Palestinian campaign of suicide bombings and shooting attacks broke out after the collapse of peace talks.

Ashkenazi added that tensions could rise as well among Jewish settlers, who are hoping for a resumption of settlement construction, the participant said.

The participant spoke on condition of anonymity according to parliamentary protocol.

Under intense U.S. pressure, Israel agreed in November to curb West Bank settlement construction to help lure the Palestinians back to the negotiating table. Netanyahu maintains his coalition government, dominated by hard-line parties that champion settlement building, would be fractured if the slowdown were to be extended.

Infrastructure Minister Uzi Landau told Army Radio he would advance plans to build hundreds of millions of dollars in water and sewer projects for the settlements. Right-wing lawmakers plan to hold a celebration Sunday in the West Bank settlement of Revava, where, they say, bulldozers and cement mixers would begin work on a new neighborhood.

The Palestinians, backed by the U.S. and other world powers, want Israel to extend the curbs, hoping that would create the goodwill needed to prod talks ahead.

The settlements, home to some 300,000 Israelis, dot the West Bank, gobbling up territory claimed by the Palestinians. The Palestinians say that further expansion makes it ever more difficult to establish a viable state that would not be broken up by Israeli enclaves.

Palestinian and Israeli officials are currently in the U.S., meeting with American leaders in an effort to salvage the negotiations.

The impending end to the construction curb has intensified tensions between settlers and Palestinians. Near the West Bank town of Nablus, settlers and Palestinians lobbed rocks at each other Tuesday after Palestinians accused settlers of trying to steal their olives.

The olive-harvesting season in the West Bank traditionally is a time of violence between the two sides.

The peace talks have also exacerbated tensions between Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' West Bank government and the rival Islamic militant Hamas that rules the Gaza Strip and opposes negotiations with Israel.

Palestinian police briefly detained a Hamas lawmaker Tuesday after he insinuated the West Bank government helped Israel kill a Hamas activist last week.

The lawmaker, former Cabinet minister Abdel-Rahman Zidan, was the highest-level Hamas official the Palestinian Authority has ever taken into custody.

Palestinian police surrounded the main West Bank headquarters of Hamas legislators in Ramallah several hours later and arrested several people there after Zidan announced he would hold a news conference at the building. Police would not comment on the operation.
 
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Can you tell us why you seem to think anyone outside of that crappy area of the world is actually interested in that? Who cares?


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Can you tell us why you seem to think anyone outside of that crappy area of the world is actually interested in that? Who cares?

Judging by the quantity of threads and posts on the subject in this forum, I'd say quite a number of people, for whatever reason, do seem to care. Posting "why does anyone care about the issue you raise" is basically just thread crapping. If you don't care, don't post in the thread.

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While an international force would be unable to accomplish anything - as demonstrated multiple times previously w/ respect to the Israeli security issue and keeping warring factions involuntarily apart; to have Israeli troops deployed outside of the the borders of Israel is not going anywhere.

Yet Israel has every right to be concerned about its security.
 

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While an international force would be unable to accomplish anything - as demonstrated multiple times previously w/ respect to the Israeli security issue and keeping warring factions involuntarily apart; to have Israeli troops deployed outside of the the borders of Israel is not going anywhere.

Yet Israel has every right to be concerned about its security.

All of which is correct, and all of which solves exactly nothing. The bottom line here is, one side of the other has to bite the bullet. This is true with several other bones of contention between the parties. The way a negotiation works, one side has to cave on some issues while the other has to cave on others. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like there is much chance of that happening here because both sides are facing internal divisions with their own hardliners.

- wolf
 

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Could this be a item in exchange for the settlement issue?
 

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Netanyahu is very correct in his assertion that an international force deployed at the border would NOT be able to secure the borders!
It`s been proven time and again that even UN Peacekeeping forces in the middle east are worthless.....they continually turn a blind eye towards acts of aggression against Israel....

What is the role of UN Peacekeepers in the Middle East?
 

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While an international force would be unable to accomplish anything - as demonstrated multiple times previously w/ respect to the Israeli security issue and keeping warring factions involuntarily apart; to have Israeli troops deployed outside of the the borders of Israel is not going anywhere.

Yet Israel has every right to be concerned about its security.

When has an international force tried before?
 

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1. Invade the West Bank and Gaza. Clear out every last Palestinian and annex the damn area.

2. Clear all Israelis out of the West Bank and Gaza and let the Palestinians create a defacto state.

3. Continuing muddling through until one of the adjacent Arab states is overthrown by hardcore Islamist, acquire nuclear weapons, and seek to end this stupidity on their terms.

Your choice, Israel.
 

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When has an international force tried before?
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It seems to me international peace keeping troops did a pretty good job in Yugoslavia in the mid Clinton era.

But either we are going to have a Palestinian State totally free of Israeli military presence or we are not talking a Palestinian State. As if Israel ever respected the borders of independent States, as they place military operatives in Syria and Lebanon, and will assassinate people in in Dubai and other places.
 

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1. Invade the West Bank and Gaza. Clear out every last Palestinian and annex the damn area.

2. Clear all Israelis out of the West Bank and Gaza and let the Palestinians create a defacto state.

3. Continuing muddling through until one of the adjacent Arab states is overthrown by hardcore Islamist, acquire nuclear weapons, and seek to end this stupidity on their terms.

Your choice, Israel.

Problem with #2 is that the Palestinians do not want the responsibility of having Israeli as a neighbor if they become a state
 

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It seems to me international peace keeping troops did a pretty good job in Yugoslavia in the mid Clinton era.

But either we are going to have a Palestinian State totally free of Israeli military presence or we are not talking a Palestinian State. As if Israel ever respected the borders of independent States, as they place military operatives in Syria and Lebanon, and will assassinate people in in Dubai and other places.

And do those people that are assassinated ever respect the state of Israel.
They orignially had their hands actively planning attacks on Israel.

Other countries have done the same - take out people that are working actively against their self interests.

Did the Arabs respect the state of Israel when it was created and afterwards. Do some still reject it?

Do the Palestinians even now acknowledge the State of Israel?
 

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While an international force would be unable to accomplish anything - as demonstrated multiple times previously w/ respect to the Israeli security issue and keeping warring factions involuntarily apart; to have Israeli troops deployed outside of the the borders of Israel is not going anywhere.

Yet Israel has every right to be concerned about its security.
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Maybe exactly the point, as long as Israel acts like the neighbor from hell, acts like an ahole bully to all its neighbors, its a self fulfilling prophesy that that Israel will be universally hated by its neighbors and always will have to worry about its own security.
 

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Problem with #2 is that the Palestinians do not want the responsibility of having Israeli as a neighbor if they become a state

They told you this?
The Palestinians have refused to even recognize Israel as a state.
Then the opposing Palestinian group wants to destroy Israel itself.

If there is a Palestinian state they will have to recognize Israel as a neighbor and take responsibility for actions within the Palestinian state.
Presently they want to abdicate actions claiming that they have no control or do not want to control other groups that attack Israel.
 

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Maybe exactly the point, as long as Israel acts like the neighbor from hell, acts like an ahole bully to all its neighbors, its a self fulfilling prophesy that that Israel will be universally hated by its neighbors and always will have to worry about its own security.

It is a catch 22 situation.
Israel has been hated and continually attacked since day 1.

Everytime they relax their guard, they have been attacked.

They give up land that was acquired during war in exchange for peace and they get no peace.
 

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Can you hook me up with a link?
Are you talking about Peacekeepers or an international force?
Who is sitting on the border of Lebanon right now.

People with blue berets.
Yet that did not stop a sniper from killing Israel soldiers recently.
They also did not stop Hezbollah from killing and kidnapping soldiers in 2006 which triggered the invasion of Lebanon.

The Palestinians seem to not want UN forces between Gaza and Israel
http://www.huliq.com/26060/hamas-rejects-call-for-international-peacekeepers-in-gaza

My reference to the UN and Gaza was a mistake. It was the UN and Suez ('67) w/ respect to Israel & Egypt.

Right now there are blue berets on the Golan Heights. Neither Israel or Syria want a conflict there- that is why it is working
 

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It is a catch 22 situation.
Israel has been hated and continually attacked since day 1.

Everytime they relax their guard, they have been attacked.

They give up land that was acquired during war in exchange for peace and they get no peace.

Actually, they've only ever given up the Sinai peninsula and the result was lasting peace with Egypt.
 

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Who is sitting on the border of Lebanon right now.

People with blue berets.

Peacekeepers serve under quite different rules. And have to be very brave men and women. I can't imagine just sitting there while Israel shoots artillery shells towards you.

I don't see any reference to Peacekeepers in the article though.
Maybe Zomlot is talking about a force put together by say NATO that would be able to actually step up and stop some violence put forth by either side.
 

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It is a catch 22 situation.
Israel has been hated and continually attacked since day 1.

Everytime they relax their guard, they have been attacked.

They give up land that was acquired during war in exchange for peace and they get no peace.

Actually, they've only ever given up the Sinai peninsula and the result was lasting peace with Egypt.

Land was turned over to Lebanon and Gaza.
From both areas they have since been attacked by Hezbollah and Hamas
 

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The Palestinians have refused to even recognize Israel as a state.
Then the opposing Palestinian group wants to destroy Israel itself.

If there is a Palestinian state they will have to recognize Israel as a neighbor and take responsibility for actions within the Palestinian state.
Presently they want to abdicate actions claiming that they have no control or do not want to control other groups that attack Israel.

I don't understand. Are you saying every Palestinian has to agree to this? 100%? Why can't it just be the majority or the ruling party? If Israel recognizes the PA and they recognize Israel, what is the matter?
 

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Common Courtesy distorts if he thinks he speaks the truth in saying, "Land was turned over to Lebanon and Gaza.
From both areas they have since been attacked by Hezbollah and Hamas"

The Israelis never had any right to any land in Lebanon, they blew their inept peace keeping occupation of Lebanon, and until Israel proved they were aholes, Hezbollah did not even exist. But the social wing of Hezbollah provided the social serves Israel could have provided and did not. Israel had the opportunity to make Lebanese friends and instead alienated everyone in Lebanon. The Common Courtesy denial of those facts shows his bias.

The Gaza issue is a little more complex but not hard to understand. Once Hamas won a free and democratic election in Gaza, the gloves on both sides came off. If Israel did not with draw its settlers, that tried to settle on land that Israel could not claim, they would be forcibly be evicted by Hamas. But the premise that Israel does not totally control what should be a sovereign independent state of Gaza is total fiction. Because Israel controls all Gaza imports and exports, exactly what freedom flotillas are designed to break, so once again Common Courtesy is engaged in Serial distortion of reality by making his bogus statements regarding Israel giving anything back in Gaza.

Now please Common Courtesy, don't get me started on more of your bullshit regarding the West Bank and East Jerusalem, but the Israeli settlement Freeze extension will soon become a huge issue.