'Pregnant Man' Gives Birth to Girl

[maziwanka]

i was initially worried about the kid in utero with all the hormones she was taking in order to become a man.

what i dont get is her desire to become a man yet do the thing that most defines a woman - give birth

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: nerp
My girlfriend's brother is transgenderd. People wouldn't know he has a vagina unless he told you.

You people are pretty ignorant and confused. The interesting thing is that you probably know transgendered people but have no idea.

We are not talking about someone born with a mutation.

We're talking about someone who surgically altered themselves in an attempt to become something they are not. I think it's clear who is ignorant and confused.

If they can have the procedure done, and it makes their life better, who are we to judge?

I don't care if they want to be altered to look like a cucumber.

The problem is that they are attempting to pass themselves off as something they are not - lying to both themselves and others in the process.

Where are they lying? Do they need to wear some sort of sign that says "I was a man but had a procedure to become a woman"?

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: nerp
My girlfriend's brother is transgenderd. People wouldn't know he has a vagina unless he told you.

You people are pretty ignorant and confused. The interesting thing is that you probably know transgendered people but have no idea.

We are not talking about someone born with a mutation.

We're talking about someone who surgically altered themselves in an attempt to become something they are not. I think it's clear who is ignorant and confused.

If they can have the procedure done, and it makes their life better, who are we to judge?

I don't care if they want to be altered to look like a cucumber.

The problem is that they are attempting to pass themselves off as something they are not - lying to both themselves and others in the process.

Where are they lying? Do they need to wear some sort of sign that says "I was a man but had a procedure to become a woman"?

Being surgically altered does not make you what you are not.

By referring to herself as a man, this woman is lying to herself and others. Simple.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: nerp
My girlfriend's brother is transgenderd. People wouldn't know he has a vagina unless he told you.

You people are pretty ignorant and confused. The interesting thing is that you probably know transgendered people but have no idea.

We are not talking about someone born with a mutation.

We're talking about someone who surgically altered themselves in an attempt to become something they are not. I think it's clear who is ignorant and confused.

Again, you don't know what you're talking about. Being transgendered has nothing to do with mutations.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: nerp
My girlfriend's brother is transgenderd. People wouldn't know he has a vagina unless he told you.

You people are pretty ignorant and confused. The interesting thing is that you probably know transgendered people but have no idea.

We are not talking about someone born with a mutation.

We're talking about someone who surgically altered themselves in an attempt to become something they are not. I think it's clear who is ignorant and confused.

If they can have the procedure done, and it makes their life better, who are we to judge?

I don't care if they want to be altered to look like a cucumber.

The problem is that they are attempting to pass themselves off as something they are not - lying to both themselves and others in the process.

Where are they lying? Do they need to wear some sort of sign that says "I was a man but had a procedure to become a woman"?

Being surgically altered does not make you what you are not.

By referring to herself as a man, this woman is lying to herself and others. Simple.

Does that somehow hurt you personally?

Is it a lie if she believes he is a he, and all physical outward expression would lead a normal person to believe that she is a he?

What defines us as people? Some believe gender distinctions (other than the physical) are not born into us as nature, but more so as nurture.

 

[uberman]

I suppose Oprah will do another exploitation show as an update on this child.

I'm pretty liberal but this one's hit too far out of the park for me. This kid has gotta be messed up.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: nerp
My girlfriend's brother is transgenderd. People wouldn't know he has a vagina unless he told you.

You people are pretty ignorant and confused. The interesting thing is that you probably know transgendered people but have no idea.

We are not talking about someone born with a mutation.

We're talking about someone who surgically altered themselves in an attempt to become something they are not. I think it's clear who is ignorant and confused.

Again, you don't know what you're talking about. Being transgendered has nothing to do with mutations.

If you're born with both male/female genitals, or etc....how is that not a mutation?

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: nerp
My girlfriend's brother is transgenderd. People wouldn't know he has a vagina unless he told you.

You people are pretty ignorant and confused. The interesting thing is that you probably know transgendered people but have no idea.

We are not talking about someone born with a mutation.

We're talking about someone who surgically altered themselves in an attempt to become something they are not. I think it's clear who is ignorant and confused.

If they can have the procedure done, and it makes their life better, who are we to judge?

I don't care if they want to be altered to look like a cucumber.

The problem is that they are attempting to pass themselves off as something they are not - lying to both themselves and others in the process.

Where are they lying? Do they need to wear some sort of sign that says "I was a man but had a procedure to become a woman"?

Being surgically altered does not make you what you are not.

By referring to herself as a man, this woman is lying to herself and others. Simple.

Does that somehow hurt you personally?

Is it a lie if she believes he is a he, and all physical outward expression would lead a normal person to believe that she is a he?

What defines us as people? Some believe gender distinctions (other than the physical) are not born into us as nature, but more so as nurture.

It is possible it could hurt someone, yes.

Believing in a lie, no matter how much you believe in it, does not make it the truth.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: nerp
My girlfriend's brother is transgenderd. People wouldn't know he has a vagina unless he told you.

You people are pretty ignorant and confused. The interesting thing is that you probably know transgendered people but have no idea.

We are not talking about someone born with a mutation.

We're talking about someone who surgically altered themselves in an attempt to become something they are not. I think it's clear who is ignorant and confused.

If they can have the procedure done, and it makes their life better, who are we to judge?

I don't care if they want to be altered to look like a cucumber.

The problem is that they are attempting to pass themselves off as something they are not - lying to both themselves and others in the process.

Where are they lying? Do they need to wear some sort of sign that says "I was a man but had a procedure to become a woman"?

Being surgically altered does not make you what you are not.

By referring to herself as a man, this woman is lying to herself and others. Simple.

Does that somehow hurt you personally?

Is it a lie if she believes he is a he, and all physical outward expression would lead a normal person to believe that she is a he?

What defines us as people? Some believe gender distinctions (other than the physical) are not born into us as nature, but more so as nurture.

It is possible it could hurt someone, yes.

Believing in a lie, no matter how much you believe in it, does not make it the truth.

There is some remote possibility it could hurt someone? These are preconceived conceptions of what you feel acceptable and unacceptable. Someone being alive and seeking to make their own lives better, that does not infringe on your life does not affect you that I can see.

I don't see how how they are lying. They changed. If nothing else they would just be different from either category, but not really one nor the other. If you were in a position where you needed to know (such a doctor) you could consult their medical records, otherwise it is protected as part of their right to privacy, one of the rights granted by our U.S. Constitution.

 

[Beev]

Wow, a lot of you in this thread need to get the fuck over yourselves. Intolerant pieces of shit.

 

[buck]

Weird, however, I really don't care, its their lives.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: nerp
My girlfriend's brother is transgenderd. People wouldn't know he has a vagina unless he told you.

You people are pretty ignorant and confused. The interesting thing is that you probably know transgendered people but have no idea.

We are not talking about someone born with a mutation.

We're talking about someone who surgically altered themselves in an attempt to become something they are not. I think it's clear who is ignorant and confused.

If they can have the procedure done, and it makes their life better, who are we to judge?

I don't care if they want to be altered to look like a cucumber.

The problem is that they are attempting to pass themselves off as something they are not - lying to both themselves and others in the process.

Where are they lying? Do they need to wear some sort of sign that says "I was a man but had a procedure to become a woman"?

Being surgically altered does not make you what you are not.

By referring to herself as a man, this woman is lying to herself and others. Simple.

Does that somehow hurt you personally?

Is it a lie if she believes he is a he, and all physical outward expression would lead a normal person to believe that she is a he?

What defines us as people? Some believe gender distinctions (other than the physical) are not born into us as nature, but more so as nurture.

It is possible it could hurt someone, yes.

Believing in a lie, no matter how much you believe in it, does not make it the truth.

There is some remote possibility it could hurt someone? These are preconceived conceptions of what you feel acceptable and unacceptable. Someone being alive and seeking to make their own lives better, that does not infringe on your life does not affect you that I can see.

I don't see how how they are lying. They changed. If nothing else they would just be different from either category, but not really one nor the other. If you were in a position where you needed to know (such a doctor) you could consult their medical records, otherwise it is protected as part of their right to privacy, one of the rights granted by our U.S. Constitution.

They are lying. If you are male and I asked you what gender you are and you said you said female, that would be a lie no matter how much alteration was done surgically to your body. How that simple fact escapes you I do not know. I am not arguing the fact that they have the right to do whatever cosmetic surgery they would like to themselves, but it's just that - cosmetic. It does not alter the genetic information bestowed on them upon birth. The rights of privacy have nothing to do with someone having cosmetic surgery. Sure they don't have to admit that they had it. If they want to lie about their gender, then they can. It still does not change the fact that it's a lie.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: Beev
Wow, a lot of you in this thread need to get the fuck over yourselves. Intolerant pieces of shit.

You are being equally as intolerant in this post as anyone you claim is being intolerant is. Strange how that works, isn't it?

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: nerp
My girlfriend's brother is transgenderd. People wouldn't know he has a vagina unless he told you.

You people are pretty ignorant and confused. The interesting thing is that you probably know transgendered people but have no idea.

We are not talking about someone born with a mutation.

We're talking about someone who surgically altered themselves in an attempt to become something they are not. I think it's clear who is ignorant and confused.

If they can have the procedure done, and it makes their life better, who are we to judge?

I don't care if they want to be altered to look like a cucumber.

The problem is that they are attempting to pass themselves off as something they are not - lying to both themselves and others in the process.

Where are they lying? Do they need to wear some sort of sign that says "I was a man but had a procedure to become a woman"?

Being surgically altered does not make you what you are not.

By referring to herself as a man, this woman is lying to herself and others. Simple.

Does that somehow hurt you personally?

Is it a lie if she believes he is a he, and all physical outward expression would lead a normal person to believe that she is a he?

What defines us as people? Some believe gender distinctions (other than the physical) are not born into us as nature, but more so as nurture.

It is possible it could hurt someone, yes.

Believing in a lie, no matter how much you believe in it, does not make it the truth.

There is some remote possibility it could hurt someone? These are preconceived conceptions of what you feel acceptable and unacceptable. Someone being alive and seeking to make their own lives better, that does not infringe on your life does not affect you that I can see.

I don't see how how they are lying. They changed. If nothing else they would just be different from either category, but not really one nor the other. If you were in a position where you needed to know (such a doctor) you could consult their medical records, otherwise it is protected as part of their right to privacy, one of the rights granted by our U.S. Constitution.

They are lying. If you are male and I asked you what gender you are and you said you said female, that would be a lie no matter how much alteration was done surgically to your body. How that simple fact escapes you I do not know. I am not arguing the fact that they have the right to do whatever cosmetic surgery they would like to themselves, but it's just that - cosmetic. It does not alter the genetic information bestowed on them upon birth. The rights of privacy have nothing to do with someone having cosmetic surgery. Sure they don't have to admit that they had it. If they want to lie about their gender, then they can. It still does not change the fact that it's a lie.

The big issue I was getting at, and have been trying to get it in each post but you won't seem to answer is this:

HOW does this hurt YOU in any way?

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: nerp
My girlfriend's brother is transgenderd. People wouldn't know he has a vagina unless he told you.

You people are pretty ignorant and confused. The interesting thing is that you probably know transgendered people but have no idea.

We are not talking about someone born with a mutation.

We're talking about someone who surgically altered themselves in an attempt to become something they are not. I think it's clear who is ignorant and confused.

If they can have the procedure done, and it makes their life better, who are we to judge?

I don't care if they want to be altered to look like a cucumber.

The problem is that they are attempting to pass themselves off as something they are not - lying to both themselves and others in the process.

Where are they lying? Do they need to wear some sort of sign that says "I was a man but had a procedure to become a woman"?

Being surgically altered does not make you what you are not.

By referring to herself as a man, this woman is lying to herself and others. Simple.

Does that somehow hurt you personally?

Is it a lie if she believes he is a he, and all physical outward expression would lead a normal person to believe that she is a he?

What defines us as people? Some believe gender distinctions (other than the physical) are not born into us as nature, but more so as nurture.

It is possible it could hurt someone, yes.

Believing in a lie, no matter how much you believe in it, does not make it the truth.

There is some remote possibility it could hurt someone? These are preconceived conceptions of what you feel acceptable and unacceptable. Someone being alive and seeking to make their own lives better, that does not infringe on your life does not affect you that I can see.

I don't see how how they are lying. They changed. If nothing else they would just be different from either category, but not really one nor the other. If you were in a position where you needed to know (such a doctor) you could consult their medical records, otherwise it is protected as part of their right to privacy, one of the rights granted by our U.S. Constitution.

They are lying. If you are male and I asked you what gender you are and you said you said female, that would be a lie no matter how much alteration was done surgically to your body. How that simple fact escapes you I do not know. I am not arguing the fact that they have the right to do whatever cosmetic surgery they would like to themselves, but it's just that - cosmetic. It does not alter the genetic information bestowed on them upon birth. The rights of privacy have nothing to do with someone having cosmetic surgery. Sure they don't have to admit that they had it. If they want to lie about their gender, then they can. It still does not change the fact that it's a lie.

The big issue I was getting at, and have been trying to get it in each post but you won't seem to answer is this:

HOW does this hurt YOU in any way?

I've never claimed that it did.

I'm just making some observations.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Citrix
she is not a man damn it. she was born with the chromosomes of a woman and will die with the chromosomes of a woman.

:|

there are 'women' who develop naturally as a women due to hormonal issues despite genetically being male

So you saw that episode of house too?

i dont like house so no i didnt see the show. i was remember what i learned in my 10th grade biology class.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: nerp
My girlfriend's brother is transgenderd. People wouldn't know he has a vagina unless he told you.

You people are pretty ignorant and confused. The interesting thing is that you probably know transgendered people but have no idea.

We are not talking about someone born with a mutation.

We're talking about someone who surgically altered themselves in an attempt to become something they are not. I think it's clear who is ignorant and confused.

If they can have the procedure done, and it makes their life better, who are we to judge?

I don't care if they want to be altered to look like a cucumber.

The problem is that they are attempting to pass themselves off as something they are not - lying to both themselves and others in the process.

Where are they lying? Do they need to wear some sort of sign that says "I was a man but had a procedure to become a woman"?

Being surgically altered does not make you what you are not.

By referring to herself as a man, this woman is lying to herself and others. Simple.

Does that somehow hurt you personally?

Is it a lie if she believes he is a he, and all physical outward expression would lead a normal person to believe that she is a he?

What defines us as people? Some believe gender distinctions (other than the physical) are not born into us as nature, but more so as nurture.

It is possible it could hurt someone, yes.

Believing in a lie, no matter how much you believe in it, does not make it the truth.

There is some remote possibility it could hurt someone? These are preconceived conceptions of what you feel acceptable and unacceptable. Someone being alive and seeking to make their own lives better, that does not infringe on your life does not affect you that I can see.

I don't see how how they are lying. They changed. If nothing else they would just be different from either category, but not really one nor the other. If you were in a position where you needed to know (such a doctor) you could consult their medical records, otherwise it is protected as part of their right to privacy, one of the rights granted by our U.S. Constitution.

They are lying. If you are male and I asked you what gender you are and you said you said female, that would be a lie no matter how much alteration was done surgically to your body. How that simple fact escapes you I do not know. I am not arguing the fact that they have the right to do whatever cosmetic surgery they would like to themselves, but it's just that - cosmetic. It does not alter the genetic information bestowed on them upon birth. The rights of privacy have nothing to do with someone having cosmetic surgery. Sure they don't have to admit that they had it. If they want to lie about their gender, then they can. It still does not change the fact that it's a lie.

The big issue I was getting at, and have been trying to get it in each post but you won't seem to answer is this:

HOW does this hurt YOU in any way?

I've never claimed that it did.

I'm just making some observations.

Meh, that's all I was wondering. I don't mind just letting people do whatever makes them happy (so long as it doesn't hurt others), so I was wondering what the justification in the opposite direction may be.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Beev
Wow, a lot of you in this thread need to get the fuck over yourselves. Intolerant pieces of shit.

maybe we have drawn the line on whats acceptable and what is not? im very tollerant on what people do or how they do it but i have to draw the line when it comes to a woman getting surgically altered to look like a man and then getting pregnant and still calling herself a man. sorry dude that is just wrong not matter what psychedelic universe you are tripping in.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Meh, that's all I was wondering. I don't mind just letting people do whatever makes them happy (so long as it doesn't hurt others), so I was wondering what the justification in the opposite direction may be.

She could hurt someone by passing herself off as being male, when in fact she is not. Since she is already married, it's likely that this is not something that could happen as easily - but there is definitely the possibility of this person or another like her to hurt someone deeply by what they do.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Meh, that's all I was wondering. I don't mind just letting people do whatever makes them happy (so long as it doesn't hurt others), so I was wondering what the justification in the opposite direction may be.

She could hurt someone by passing herself off as being male, when in fact she is not. Since she is already married, it's likely that this is not something that could happen as easily - but there is definitely the possibility of this person or another like her to hurt someone deeply by what they do.

In that position, if they fell in love with the person, when they came to a phase where those specifics would matter, they would be presented, and at that phase a decision must be made: Either love the person for who they are or move on.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Meh, that's all I was wondering. I don't mind just letting people do whatever makes them happy (so long as it doesn't hurt others), so I was wondering what the justification in the opposite direction may be.

She could hurt someone by passing herself off as being male, when in fact she is not. Since she is already married, it's likely that this is not something that could happen as easily - but there is definitely the possibility of this person or another like her to hurt someone deeply by what they do.

In that position, if they fell in love with the person, when they came to a phase where those specifics would matter, they would be presented, and at that phase a decision must be made: Either love the person for who they are or move on.

How can you love someone for who they are when they've been lying to you about who they are the entire time? The specifics of this situation would matter from the very beginning of a relationship and should not be hidden at all. It would be more lying.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Meh, that's all I was wondering. I don't mind just letting people do whatever makes them happy (so long as it doesn't hurt others), so I was wondering what the justification in the opposite direction may be.

She could hurt someone by passing herself off as being male, when in fact she is not. Since she is already married, it's likely that this is not something that could happen as easily - but there is definitely the possibility of this person or another like her to hurt someone deeply by what they do.

In that position, if they fell in love with the person, when they came to a phase where those specifics would matter, they would be presented, and at that phase a decision must be made: Either love the person for who they are or move on.

How can you love someone for who they are when they've been lying to you about who they are the entire time? The specifics of this situation would matter from the very beginning of a relationship and should not be hidden at all. It would be more lying.

If they were in such a way that it took you until actually seeing their genitals or trying to start a family to notice, then those would be the specifics that would determine whether you'd want to continue the relationship.

I would not as I find those things to be of grave importance, but there are a lot of people out there that only see someone for who they are on "the inside".

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: OdiN
We are not talking about someone born with a mutation.

We're talking about someone who surgically altered themselves in an attempt to become something they are not. I think it's clear who is ignorant and confused.

This post, and your further replies in this thread, indicate that you have a fundamental misunderstanding about the distinction between gender and sex (I'm in no way singling you out, others in this thread have exhibited the same reasoning as you). Obviously if we're using the same terminology in different ways, we'll never be able to communicate effectively, so allow me to put on my gender studies cap and attempt to shed some light on this issue.

Simply put, in modern gender studies thinking, sex and gender are not the same thing. Sex is biologically determined by the chromosomes you are born with; XX is female, XY is male (though there are other chromosomal mutations that exist, such as XXY, XXX, etc., we will ignore them for now). Gender is not a strict "boy" or "girl" distinction in the same way that sex is; it is best viewed as a continuum, with masculinity on one side and femininity on the other. Many biological males exhibit stereotypically masculine traits and identify as male. Many biological females exhibit stereotypically feminine traits and identify as female. However, there is a certain amount of crossover, and virtually no one is entirely at one end of the gender continuum. So, while gender and sex are inexorably tied to one another, they are not strict determinants of each other. Biological males may identify as females, biological females may identify as males, etc.

You, and many others, have mistakenly replaced the word sex with gender, but this is incorrect. So when nerp mentions a transgendered person, you incorrectly assume someone who was born with both sets of reproductive organs. The correct term for this phenomenon is intersex, and it is not what nerp is referring to (assuming s/he is using the modern gender studies definition). Transgender is someone who does not identify their gender the same as their biological sex. In nerp's example, we are talking about someone who was born a woman, but defines their gender identity as that of a man.

My question to everyone in this thread who seems disgusted by this is "why does it bother you?" These people are merely trying to live their lives. They don't happen to feel comfortable within a rigid societal structure that encourages them to act their sex. Why should they not be allowed to live their lives as they see fit? Are you worried that some male-to-female is going to trick you into having sex with them, thereby making you gay? I just don't understand the mentality that someone's personal gender identity somehow troubles you. If you are comfortable in your own gender identity, good for you; stop shitting on other people for theirs.

 

[OdiN]

If you are born a woman, you are a woman. If you are born a man, you are a man.

Pretty simple.

 

[BRObedoza]

Originally posted by: buck
Weird, however, I really don't care, its their lives.