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[Nebor]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Everybody has a price. Believe me, there is a price for all of you straight men reading this that will make you have sex on camera with another guy.

regardless of price, you wouldn't be able to do the deed if you were straight

That's not what I said.

i'm challenging the fact that a straight guy could even physically have sex with another guy... that's what i'm saying. regardless of how much the dollar value, you wouldn't be able to put it to another dude's butt because you'd be limp.

And you've been proven wrong time and again in this thread by gay guys who say they don't have a problem having sex with women, and straight guys saying that having sex with a guy wouldn't make them gay.

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: K1052
Read: "omg....life too complicated....must hold hands over ears and hum loudly to maintain my overly narrow and uncompromising opinions"

Why is that narrow? Because it is different than yours? Acting gay != gay. Getting a hardon and giving it to a gay = gay. Getting drunk and hooking up with a chick you didn't know was a tranny (while priceless) is also NOT gay.

And since when were we supposed to compromise our opinions? Admitting defeat is one thing when proven wrong, but since you can't have a wrong opinion, compromising is a sign of weakness. It makes you wishy-washy.

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: Nebor
And you've been proven wrong time and again in this thread by gay guys who say they don't have a problem having sex with women, and straight guys saying that having sex with a guy wouldn't make them gay.

Proven wrong by someones opinion. Do you know the definition of opinion, proof, and why they do not coexist?

"My opinion is that God is real."
"Oh, well, that proves it then."

It is my opinion that the "gay" men who have sex with women lie somewhere in them middle between "gay" and "straight." Let me use a term for this. I shall call it bisexual.

It is also my opinion that those who would do a guy for money would also be gay, or have gay tendencies.

Then again, as they say in the Navy, "You are only gay if you push back..."

 

[nakedfrog]

Here it is, stripped down to it's simplest, barest fact: if you WANT to have sex with men, you're gay (or bi). That's it.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Either way, your argument is pretty lame. Women aren't gay when they do it just because they can fake it?

And, actually, what you said was "Getting filled out like a job application by some dude makes you gay."

Your argument is that gay = state of mind. If you are sexually aroused, your state of mind is that you are sexually stimulated. If it is same sex, sexual stimulation means gay. Women can fake the sexual stimulation; men cannot.

I don't understand what you don't get.

And don't argue semantics with me. You knew it was about consensual sex.

Lol - that rich. Try telling your wife or girlfriend that, moron.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Nebor
Anyone can be conditioned to get turned on by anything.

I believe them when they say they're straight, in that in their personal lives they don't have sexual encounters with men.

Exactly. This doesn't seem like a difficult concept to grasp. Your career does not define you or your core beliefs.

But your core beliefs should be defining your career.

I look at it as these guys are bisexual, if anything. If they weren't then there core belief would forbid them from doing the act.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: aidanjm
If I was in straight porn or had sex with girls, would that make me "straight"..?

I dunno - but if I was in the porn business, as a gay male, I would have no qualms with having sex with women, as long as I was paid well.

it's quite interesting. I guess gay refers to your overall preference, as opposed to the behaviors you engage in

that type of thought is a cop-out, it's a justification. Your actions define who you are, simple as that.

 

[ballmode]

SHENS

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: eits
"no, i'm not gay.... i just swallow guys off and take it in the rectum for money, that's all... yeah, i've got a college degree, but i'd rather be doing this..."

are you kidding me?

What about female porn stars? I'd say it's near impossible to find one that doesn't do girl-girl scenes now. Are they all gay too?

No, not all women who do girl-girl scenes are gay or bisexual. It is much more acceptable for women / girls to have sex with one another and not be considered gay by society as compared to men.

However, it just happens to be that a majority of your female porn stars are bisexual.

I guess I just don't understand where some of you are coming from.

I would never do drugs if I didn't enjoy them or want to experience them. I would never have sex with animals unless I was into beastiality. I would never have sex with a man unless I was physically attracted to men. No amount of money, fame or otherwise would change my mind.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Either way, your argument is pretty lame. Women aren't gay when they do it just because they can fake it?

And, actually, what you said was "Getting filled out like a job application by some dude makes you gay."

Your argument is that gay = state of mind. If you are sexually aroused, your state of mind is that you are sexually stimulated. If it is same sex, sexual stimulation means gay. Women can fake the sexual stimulation; men cannot.

I don't understand what you don't get.

And don't argue semantics with me. You knew it was about consensual sex.

Lol - that rich. Try telling your wife or girlfriend that, moron.

what, you don't think they can/do?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: eits
"no, i'm not gay.... i just swallow guys off and take it in the rectum for money, that's all... yeah, i've got a college degree, but i'd rather be doing this..."

are you kidding me?

What about female porn stars? I'd say it's near impossible to find one that doesn't do girl-girl scenes now. Are they all gay too?

No, not all women who do girl-girl scenes are gay or bisexual. It is much more acceptable for women / girls to have sex with one another and not be considered gay by society as compared to men.

However, it just happens to be that a majority of your female porn stars are bisexual.

I guess I just don't understand where some of you are coming from.

I would never do drugs if I didn't enjoy them or want to experience them. I would never have sex with animals unless I was into beastiality. I would never have sex with a man unless I was physically attracted to men. No amount of money, fame or otherwise would change my mind.

exactly.... except i'd add that it's not even about agreeing to do it if you weren't into it... it's the fact that you probably can't get and maintain a stiffy throughout the entire scene if you're not AT LEAST bi.

 

[OCNewbie]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: purbeast0

and yes a hitman is a murderer. just like if a cop kills someone, he's a murderer as well. whether it's justified or not, it's still taking another human being's life.

EDIT: and wtf does a hitman have to do w/2 guys sucking and fvcking eachother?

There was an argument here that since they are being paid to do it, they are not really gay. The hitman analogy was to show how stupid that argument is; just because you are paid to do something doesn't mean you aren't in fact "that thing."

In other words, if a man isn't gay because he is paid to have sex with the man, then a hitman isn't a murderer for the same reason.

Porn stars = prostitutes.

You have to define terms first. What is a murderer? One who murders. What does it mean to murder? To purposefully take someone else's life against their will. So when a hitman kills someone for money, yes, he is a murderer by definition. Does he have to enjoy the act when he does it? No. Does this mean he's the same kind of murderer as a serial killer who murders for pleasure? I'd have to say certainly not.

What does one have to do to be "gay"? I think people have differing opinion's on this. My definition would be that your sexual preference is same-sex oriented. I don't believe it's tied in with your actions. I think many straight men can orient themselves to enjoy physical pleasure with another man, when motivated by money, or other benefits, yet still inside their minds have a bias or preference for women. If a man goes out and has sex with other men for no other benefit than the sex, then perhaps he's gay, or at least bi. But you have to consider the motivations, and reasons for actions before you label someone gay.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: eits
"no, i'm not gay.... i just swallow guys off and take it in the rectum for money, that's all... yeah, i've got a college degree, but i'd rather be doing this..."

are you kidding me?

What about female porn stars? I'd say it's near impossible to find one that doesn't do girl-girl scenes now. Are they all gay too?

No, not all women who do girl-girl scenes are gay or bisexual. It is much more acceptable for women / girls to have sex with one another and not be considered gay by society as compared to men.

However, it just happens to be that a majority of your female porn stars are bisexual.

I guess I just don't understand where some of you are coming from.

I would never do drugs if I didn't enjoy them or want to experience them. I would never have sex with animals unless I was into beastiality. I would never have sex with a man unless I was physically attracted to men. No amount of money, fame or otherwise would change my mind.

Sorry, but you do have a price.

 

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