Powerball now only $40m

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ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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why not 175 million? that way you can get every possible combination...and if you don't win you can sue them for fraud.... (or however many lotto combinations there are? I thought it was 175mil).


Then, whenever the amount is over the 175 mil mark....buy them all up again and win AGAIN

I always wanted to see someone like Bill Gates or Warren Buffett do this just for kicks :)

Problem with this plan (of course) is the huge taxes on $250 million, plus the likely chance that there are multiple Powerball winners you need to split the winnings with.

But, hey, a portion of that money goes to charity, right? Maybe they can write that off :)
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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why not 175 million? that way you can get every possible combination...and if you don't win you can sue them for fraud.... (or however many lotto combinations there are? I thought it was 175mil).


Then, whenever the amount is over the 175 mil mark....buy them all up again and win AGAIN

It would suck though if on the first one, say... five other people also had a winning ticket. Quite the loss right there. :p

But if you were to be able to accomplish this somehow, and for a few successive attempts collect winnings as the sole winner, it would be quite the scheme. :D

Any legal issues with this? :awe:
 

Jeffg010

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Feb 22, 2008
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I always wanted to see someone like Bill Gates or Warren Buffett do this just for kicks :)

Problem with this plan (of course) is the huge taxes on $250 million, plus the likely chance that there are multiple Powerball winners you need to split the winnings with.

But, hey, a portion of that money goes to charity, right? Maybe they can write that off :)

Could the computer even print out enough tickets fast enough? I'd hate to be the guy in line behind who ever tried this.
 

seepy83

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Nov 12, 2003
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Could the computer even print out enough tickets fast enough? I'd hate to be the guy in line behind who ever tried this.

Not to mention how long it would take you to fill out the powerball play slip with every possible number combination to ensure that you didn't get repeat tickets. You weren't going to just buy Quick Picks and keep your fingers crossed hoping that the computer doesn't print duplicate tickets, were you?!
 

Lash444

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Sep 17, 2002
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Not to mention how long it would take you to fill out the powerball play slip with every possible number combination to ensure that you didn't get repeat tickets. You weren't going to just buy Quick Picks and keep your fingers crossed hoping that the computer doesn't print duplicate tickets, were you?!

Well as long as you used the same computer you shouldn't have to worry about it since the chances are exactly 1 in 175 mill for any combination to be chosen. Therefore you only need to choose 175 million in tickets.
 
Oct 20, 2005
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Well as long as you used the same computer you shouldn't have to worry about it since the chances are exactly 1 in 175 mill for any combination to be chosen. Therefore you only need to choose 175 million in tickets.

lol what?

If you were to buy 175 million tickets from the same computer, there's a good chance that you will have duplicates. As to how many duplicates? No idea.
 

seepy83

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Nov 12, 2003
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Well as long as you used the same computer you shouldn't have to worry about it since the chances are exactly 1 in 175 mill for any combination to be chosen. Therefore you only need to choose 175 million in tickets.

I believe your logic is very flawed. You have to instruct it to print each possible number combination. Otherwise there is a chance that it will repeat the same combination. The last ticket printed doesn't have any bearing on what will be printed next. The machine doesn't say "oh, I just printed a quick pick for X X X X X X. I will not print any more quick picks of that same number combination for this drawing."
 

airdata

Diamond Member
Jul 11, 2010
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People at the office always wanna pool up when it hits stupid levels...

I'd just assume pool and buy scratch offs though. Better chance of winning something.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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Both numbers can easily be fucked up too.

5 million, if you are in your 20s, properly invested and saved to be used slowly throughout your life - best established as an automatic self-payment (grab lump sum, make better investment decisions than the lottery's annual-payment option, and create some kind of trickle payout like a retirement/pension payout)... and yes, you could quit, retire, and live comfortably for life.
If very intelligent with financials (or you hire a financial/investment genius), it could make it easy to provide everything for children too. Depending on how grand your ideas are, of course.

That kind of money, that early in life, cannot afford mansions and extravagant purchases. It is not the amount that affords multiple supercars (or multiple six-figure vehicles in general) or multiple homes of similar stature.
A modest, upper-middle lifestyle is possible with such a payout. But in practice, you'd have to be more reserved that that. Such a payout is not even in the range of lifetime savings that smart 6-figure earners can achieve (the ones who have been that way for the majority of their adult life and are currently around the retirement age at this very moment), so you can't start living like one of those earners, at least, you can't jump to their stature and continue to live like them. Gradual versus instant for investment/purchasing purposes produce vastly different results in the books in ways many people don't think about if they don't properly educate themselves.

And on the other end, someone suddenly receiving Billions can easily land in the gutter if they make bad financial decisions. Just because you receive such money does not mean you can suddenly live like the Richard Bransons (financially intelligent and eccentric) or Warren Buffets (beyond mindblowingly rich, also financially intelligent).

To make any kind of sudden windfalls work, you have to be smart with your money. When you are still early in your life, you have to be financially savvy to make any kind of lottery winnings provide an immediate retirement. Most people get too dumbfounded when it appears they can buy everything they want right now. Very few stop and plan how much a lifetime actually costs in the first place; it won't be an automatic part of an income-based budget [without a planned banking/investment strategy] and thus you have to start with at least a rough estimate of how much you must set aside to provide for all financial costs of the future. After that, you are left with the true "windfall" that still must cover a lifetime of emergencies, personal purchases and expenses ("treating yourself well"), and covering any kind of large investments.


Meh, if I won even a million dollars right now I'd be set. I owe nothing on my car, I have a small medical bill now due to a recent surgery I had last month, and a small amount of debt on one card. That's it.

I got practically everything I could possibly want. I'd buy a cheap house, maybe trade in my car for a newer one I would buy outright, nothing more than $40K for the car and no house more than $200K.

Then I'd bank and invest the rest. I wouldn't quit work, and I wouldn't have to ever worry about money again. For the most part I'm financially stable right now. So a million bucks, even if I only got $500K of it after taxes would be all that I need to set me up great for the rest of my life. But, I wouldn't be buying mansions, or yachts, or other stupidly expensive shit either. I don't want nor need those things.

Now if I won $250 million, I wouldn't know what to do with it all. With that much I would most likely quit my job since I wouldn't need to work anymore ever again. I might invest in a few business opportunities or buy a business or two. Again, I'm not greedy and want to turn $250 mill into a billion either.

But that's all dreaming of things that will never be so why worry yourself over it? You dream big when you are a teen and early 20's. Life finally slaps you in the face and you start facing reality when you are in your 30's I've found.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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WTF???? I knew FelixDeKat was up to something! A name change won't throw me off the scent. I'm still watching you!


Now I gotta change my sig...

lol. I noticed your sig and his name change around the same time yesterday. i thought your "he's up to something" sig was in response to his name change.

I guess not.
 

Dirigible

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Apr 26, 2006
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lol. I noticed your sig and his name change around the same time yesterday. i thought your "he's up to something" sig was in response to his name change.

I guess not.


He's been up to something for quite a while!
 

Jeff7

Lifer
Jan 4, 2001
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then you find out some other lucky person hit the number and you only won half the value. and net lost 25 million
I'm sure you could hire someone to off that "lucky" individual for a very reasonable price. ;)
 

Phoenix86

Lifer
May 21, 2003
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Buy when the odds are less than the payout (less taxes), buy 2 when it's half. Less stupid that way. ;)
 

Shlong

Diamond Member
Mar 14, 2002
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I would give each family member 1 million the rest to salvation Army

Bad thing about that is you have to pay $350k - $400k for each 1 million you gift because of the gift tax. Max you could give without being taxed is $13,000.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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Bad thing about that is you have to pay $350k - $400k for each 1 million you gift because of the gift tax. Max you could give without being taxed is $13,000.

Yep, whenever money changes hands the government wants a piece of it. How it works.
 
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Bad thing about that is you have to pay $350k - $400k for each 1 million you gift because of the gift tax. Max you could give without being taxed is $13,000.

What would happen if the winner gave their family member $1M in actual cash, and that family member just stuffed it into a safe at home. After that, he just takes small amounts out ($500-$2,500, etc) and deposits it into his checking account for when he needs to pay bills or something.

Would the bank ever get suspicious about this activity?

I suppose someone would be suspicious of the winner's account with a $1M withdrawn from his account?
 

SZLiao214

Diamond Member
Sep 9, 2003
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At 26 I'm pretty sure i would be pretty much set for life if i received 5 million. My hobbies are pretty cheap compared to others and i like life to be pretty simple.

If i won something like 250 million i really wouldn't know what to do with it.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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WTF???? I knew FelixDeKat was up to something! A name change won't throw me off the scent. I'm still watching you!


Now I gotta change my sig...

Thats funny. I knew my paranoia would pay off one day.

What would happen if the winner gave their family member $1M in actual cash, and that family member just stuffed it into a safe at home. After that, he just takes small amounts out ($500-$2,500, etc) and deposits it into his checking account for when he needs to pay bills or something.

Would the bank ever get suspicious about this activity?

I suppose someone would be suspicious of the winner's account with a $1M withdrawn from his account?


Suspicious Activity Report. Look it up.

You might be able to just send money orders to pay your bills. Once you start living the high life however the IRS may get suspicious. Better to pay the tax and sleep at night.
 

Engineer

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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Are the odds really better when you could buy two tickets before with the $2 essentially cutting the original odds in half with the same $2? :hmm:
 

slayer202

Lifer
Nov 27, 2005
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What would happen if the winner gave their family member $1M in actual cash, and that family member just stuffed it into a safe at home. After that, he just takes small amounts out ($500-$2,500, etc) and deposits it into his checking account for when he needs to pay bills or something.

Would the bank ever get suspicious about this activity?

I suppose someone would be suspicious of the winner's account with a $1M withdrawn from his account?

Or transfering the money overseas and then gifting it over there? I would assume there is some sort of citizen bullshit rule though?
 

JEDI

Lifer
Sep 25, 2001
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Are the odds really better when you could buy two tickets before with the $2 essentially cutting the original odds in half with the same $2? :hmm:

not statiscally significant.

1tix: odds of winning is 1:175M
2tix: 1:87.5M

hell, 100 tix: 1:1.75M. still not significant.

think of it this way:
deck of cards. shuffle then try and pick the the 3 of clubs. u know how hard that it, and it's only 1:52 chances. :eek:

yur suppose to treat the lottery as entertainment, like going to a casino. not to bet your rent $ on.
 

Engineer

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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not statiscally significant.

1tix: odds of winning is 1:175M
2tix: 1:87.5M

hell, 100 tix: 1:1.75M. still not significant.

think of it this way:
deck of cards. shuffle then try and pick the the 3 of clubs. u know how hard that it, and it's only 1:52 chances. :eek:

yur suppose to treat the lottery as entertainment, like going to a casino. not to bet your rent $ on.


You type all of that and...

still better odds when spending $2 on the old system than spending $2 on the new system, no?

(**Assuming you weren't stupid enough to buy the same numbers twice with the $2 on the old system, lol).