Well, Tominator, now I see you've dragged in that proven liar - the Texmaster. But this idiot jumps into any chance he can find to bash anyone who expresses a view he doesn't like. And I have no doubt he's dense enough to actually consider Rush an expert in all the slop that drips from his mouth. Hey, Tex, you gonna start asking people if they are American in this thread too?
jjm
Most self proclained journalists are no better. They inject their jaded and uneducated opinions inti their stories as much as anyone.
..and talk about the pot calling the kettle black...
<< Well, Tominator, now I see you've dragged in that proven liar - the Texmaster. But this idiot jumps into any chance he can find to bash anyone who expresses a view he doesn't like. And I have no doubt he's dense enough to actually consider Rush an expert in all the slop that drips from his mouth. Hey, Tex, you gonna start asking people if they are American in this thread too? >>
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Most self proclained journalists are no better. They inject their jaded and uneducated opinions inti their stories as much as anyone.
..and talk about the pot calling the kettle black...
<< Well, Tominator, now I see you've dragged in that proven liar - the Texmaster. But this idiot jumps into any chance he can find to bash anyone who expresses a view he doesn't like. And I have no doubt he's dense enough to actually consider Rush an expert in all the slop that drips from his mouth. Hey, Tex, you gonna start asking people if they are American in this thread too? >>
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Except, Tominator, that Rush himself makes no attempt to state that he is trying to be a journalist. Big difference.
And exactly how does your last point about pot calling the kettle black make any sense?
Edit:
What's a self proclaimed journalist?
And exactly how does your last point about pot calling the kettle black make any sense?
Edit:
What's a self proclaimed journalist?
<< Well, Tominator, now I see you've dragged in that proven liar - the Texmaster. But this idiot jumps into any chance he can find to bash anyone who expresses a view he doesn't like. And I have no doubt he's dense enough to actually consider Rush an expert in all the slop that drips from his mouth. Hey, Tex, you gonna start asking people if they are American in this thread too? >>
Only when they use a word not common in America but common to another country brainwave.
The only thing you have proven my warped little friend is that you run away when your asked to back up yours facts.
You're a sorry excuse for a debator.
Not only are you a liar, you're a coward who refuses to back up his own position.
<< I'd like to share your view about California Texmaster but I can't shove my head that far up my ass. >>
LOL Thanks for reinforcing that Liberal maturity level for me. Always enjoy a good laugh.
Hey, Tex, good fiction, but I am not the one who ran away from our last "debate." You are. Go back and read it. I provided links, answered all your points, and further proved you were a liar using your own references. And others were still awaiting responses as well. Nice try, bud, but simply pretending it won't make your assertion any more truthful. I think you should go back to listening to Rush. Oh, wait a minute, that's what Red's remark meant.
<<This problem was known last summer - why were no new power plants built last fall or winter, before it became a problem again?>>
Psst. Much like any construction, you don't build a powerplant in 3-6months, Any new powerplant (not additional capacity at existing sites) would require at LEAST 2 years of build time. You don't just go to the general store and order a 2000MW powerplant, there is something called design and construction.
Psst. Much like any construction, you don't build a powerplant in 3-6months, Any new powerplant (not additional capacity at existing sites) would require at LEAST 2 years of build time. You don't just go to the general store and order a 2000MW powerplant, there is something called design and construction.
You condemned ole Tex for the exact same thing you just did!
A Journalists reports the news without adding absurd commentary, but since self-proclaimed journalists always claim an unbiased report even when the opposite is obvious, I will lump Rush into the same bunch. The difference is he NEVER claims to be unbiased.
There is no money in Journalism using my definition. The money is in a Personality that just claims to be a Journalist...and every one of them know it!
A Journalists reports the news without adding absurd commentary, but since self-proclaimed journalists always claim an unbiased report even when the opposite is obvious, I will lump Rush into the same bunch. The difference is he NEVER claims to be unbiased.
There is no money in Journalism using my definition. The money is in a Personality that just claims to be a Journalist...and every one of them know it!
rush is like hardcopy or other trash news tv.. except he pretends that he's legit and many of his followers buy it
worst part is he knows hes spewing falsehoods. bend the truth, don't use facts, and straight out lie..but it rakes in the money, and thats all he really cares about no one with jounrnalistic integrity is wrong as much as rush. and yes, he won't leave his carefully controlled enviroment for fear of more intelligent life. course i'm not sure major outlets would even accept him for debates/discussions now.. he has been written off as a joke.
Most self proclained journalists are no better. They inject their jaded and uneducated opinions inti their stories as much as anyone.
most journalists for major outlets can't make false accusations etc... they can be wrong sometimes, they have standards and checks and balances that correct errors.
as for not claiming to be unbiased... rush makes every attempt to look fair using his "liberal" plants etc.
worst part is he knows hes spewing falsehoods. bend the truth, don't use facts, and straight out lie..but it rakes in the money, and thats all he really cares about no one with jounrnalistic integrity is wrong as much as rush. and yes, he won't leave his carefully controlled enviroment for fear of more intelligent life. course i'm not sure major outlets would even accept him for debates/discussions now.. he has been written off as a joke. Most self proclained journalists are no better. They inject their jaded and uneducated opinions inti their stories as much as anyone.
most journalists for major outlets can't make false accusations etc... they can be wrong sometimes, they have standards and checks and balances that correct errors.
as for not claiming to be unbiased... rush makes every attempt to look fair
using his "liberal" plants etc.Tominator - First, I doubt there are many "self proclaimed" journalists. I think most are hired into the profession. Second, I doubt there are too many without a college education. To say they are uneducated is hyerbole.
Several times I have participated in discussions in these forums about media bias. They are all biased, some more so than others. That's human nature. Who cares? No amount of grousing will change it.
Most credible journalists do attempt some measure of fairness and accuracy in their reporting. Their slant, however, may come through in the construction of their stories.
Rush is a different animal. He's just an entertainer. He makes more money the more outrageous he tries to be. He relishes the opportunity to say whatever he wants and then state that he is an entertainer so that he does have to be accountable.
I can't say it bothers me at all. His entertainment is poorly done, so I don't listen. No humor, nothing interesting. But too many people get fooled into thinking that Rush actually knows something and is a credible source That's just sad.
Several times I have participated in discussions in these forums about media bias. They are all biased, some more so than others. That's human nature. Who cares? No amount of grousing will change it.
Most credible journalists do attempt some measure of fairness and accuracy in their reporting. Their slant, however, may come through in the construction of their stories.
Rush is a different animal. He's just an entertainer. He makes more money the more outrageous he tries to be. He relishes the opportunity to say whatever he wants and then state that he is an entertainer so that he does have to be accountable.
I can't say it bothers me at all. His entertainment is poorly done, so I don't listen. No humor, nothing interesting. But too many people get fooled into thinking that Rush actually knows something and is a credible source That's just sad.
jjm
Over 5 million folks a week will disagree with you.
Do you not find it odd that a HS Grad can argue with college grads and make them eat crow? College does not = education.
Although looking back, I've probably paid more for the one I got.
Over 5 million folks a week will disagree with you.
Do you not find it odd that a HS Grad can argue with college grads and make them eat crow? College does not = education.
Although looking back, I've probably paid more for the one I got.
Actually I like listening to Rush. I also like watching Archie Bunker in All-in-the-family.
I like to laugh.
I like to laugh.
Do you not find it odd that a HS Grad can argue with college grads and make them eat crow? College does not = education.
grumble i forgot what rush graduated with..but he certainly can't argue with college grads
...hmmm, I was talking about myself....
but again, Rush has as many college educated types agreeing with him as disagreeing....round and round we go...
but again, Rush has as many college educated types agreeing with him as disagreeing....round and round we go...
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Rush Limbaugh could have the intellect of Stephen Hawking (and he is not close) and I would still not find him persuasive or interesting. He is such a self-satisfied, predictable windbag that anything coming out of his mouth is inherently suspect to me. As has been said innumerable times in this thread, he is NOT a journalist, and should not be taken as one.
I honestly don't think HE believes half the things that come out of his mouth, as it is hard to believe anyone could be informed on the issues and yet be so dogmatically tied to the same side of every issue. Any truly smart free thinker could not possibly be so uniformly conservative. I would find a knee-jerk liberal commentator just as irritating, if there were one with his unique combination of rancor and pomposity.
I honestly don't think HE believes half the things that come out of his mouth, as it is hard to believe anyone could be informed on the issues and yet be so dogmatically tied to the same side of every issue. Any truly smart free thinker could not possibly be so uniformly conservative. I would find a knee-jerk liberal commentator just as irritating, if there were one with his unique combination of rancor and pomposity.
the only college grads hes afraid of are the legit ones that can debunk most anything he says. so he stays away from major news outlets as i've said. doesn't matter if your a college grad and you didn't study journalism etc
you could be a computer programmer etc and never follow politics etc. would be hard for such a person to judge rushes legitimacy. well besides the fact that pretty much all radio talkshow hosts are full of it. The first thing anyone should understand when first hearing a talkshow is how pompous they sound, credibility should be out the door right away. unless of course you don't know what critical thought is. he is what you could call a rabble rouser.. nothing more.
"College does not = education."
Coming from your perspective, where it's necessary to feel good about your position in life, I am sure you need to adhere to this mantra.
But a college degree almost always = educated. Whether or not people ever do anything smart with it is a whole different issue.
Does that mean someone with a degree is smarter than someone without a degree? No. But it generally means that those with a degree have had greater opportunity to think critically, write creatively, and engage in research. That can give them a greater skill set.
As does Rush, you often mistake argument for intelligent discussion. Belligerent or imflammatory discourse is not the same thing as debate. Rush avoids debate and prefers the imflammatory. It's better for ratings.
But getting back to the issue of bias, as I said, every person on earth holds biases. Some journalists attempt to be more balanced than others, but all are biased.
Rush has no interest in verifying his assertions. The more outrageous he can make something sound, the more money he grabs.
Since you are so concerned about understanding the biases of those presenting stories, failure to understand Rush's self-stated biases would be a fatal flaw.
Coming from your perspective, where it's necessary to feel good about your position in life, I am sure you need to adhere to this mantra.
But a college degree almost always = educated. Whether or not people ever do anything smart with it is a whole different issue.
Does that mean someone with a degree is smarter than someone without a degree? No. But it generally means that those with a degree have had greater opportunity to think critically, write creatively, and engage in research. That can give them a greater skill set.
As does Rush, you often mistake argument for intelligent discussion. Belligerent or imflammatory discourse is not the same thing as debate. Rush avoids debate and prefers the imflammatory. It's better for ratings.
But getting back to the issue of bias, as I said, every person on earth holds biases. Some journalists attempt to be more balanced than others, but all are biased.
Rush has no interest in verifying his assertions. The more outrageous he can make something sound, the more money he grabs.
Since you are so concerned about understanding the biases of those presenting stories, failure to understand Rush's self-stated biases would be a fatal flaw.
Bud, I've met MANY more total Morons that went to college than didn't go. College will NEVER teach what I know because it cannot. There are just as many successful people that did not go as did. Yes, this is changeing, but slowly and not at the pace that should cause worry if you choose to be a blue collar worker.
When you educate an idiot, you get an educated idiot.
I would LOVE to go to college, btw, BUT when some Liberal Professor starts his know it all attitude, I'm the type that will cut him down to size!
My sister has a masters in accounting. Graducated 3rd in a class of 120...we are very pround of her...but I've heard her stories of her lip biting and the total crap her professors spewed and if she had said a derogatory word she and everyone in the class knows her grade would have sufferd.
Rush provides many more resources than you will admit to. He is sarcastic at times and unless you know his wit, you might be confused...and I think you are... Very confused!
When you educate an idiot, you get an educated idiot.
I would LOVE to go to college, btw, BUT when some Liberal Professor starts his know it all attitude, I'm the type that will cut him down to size!
My sister has a masters in accounting. Graducated 3rd in a class of 120...we are very pround of her...but I've heard her stories of her lip biting and the total crap her professors spewed and if she had said a derogatory word she and everyone in the class knows her grade would have sufferd.
Rush provides many more resources than you will admit to. He is sarcastic at times and unless you know his wit, you might be confused...and I think you are... Very confused!
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Tominator:
I believe your criticism of jjm is misplaced. I found his post well-reasoned and well-put, and doubt very much that it manifests confusion on his part.
I can't see any reasoned argument that college-educated people are, in the aggregate, less intelligent than people without postsecondary educations. As jjm stated, an education alone does not make a person smart, but college, graduate and postgraduate studies are like a forge that tempers and shapes the intellect.
While there are plenty of bright non-college grads out there (and I count you among them), there IS a difference between those who are educated and those who are not. No offense, but your minor errors in spelling and grammar are subtle indicia that you may not have had the benefit of a college education.
College is NOT the Orwellian, conformist environment your post seems to envision. I found it the most intellectually-liberating experience of my life, and it taught me an enormous amount about myself and others. My experience in graduate school embodied the three most challenging years I have ever endured, and there is no question I am smarter for it. Trust me, you do not know what you are missing.
I find Rush Limbaugh repugnant, but then I am an incurable Howard Stern fan - to each his own I guess!
I believe your criticism of jjm is misplaced. I found his post well-reasoned and well-put, and doubt very much that it manifests confusion on his part.
I can't see any reasoned argument that college-educated people are, in the aggregate, less intelligent than people without postsecondary educations. As jjm stated, an education alone does not make a person smart, but college, graduate and postgraduate studies are like a forge that tempers and shapes the intellect.
While there are plenty of bright non-college grads out there (and I count you among them), there IS a difference between those who are educated and those who are not. No offense, but your minor errors in spelling and grammar are subtle indicia that you may not have had the benefit of a college education.
College is NOT the Orwellian, conformist environment your post seems to envision. I found it the most intellectually-liberating experience of my life, and it taught me an enormous amount about myself and others. My experience in graduate school embodied the three most challenging years I have ever endured, and there is no question I am smarter for it. Trust me, you do not know what you are missing.
I find Rush Limbaugh repugnant, but then I am an incurable Howard Stern fan - to each his own I guess!
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<< I've met MANY more total Morons that went to college than didn't go >>
Rule #1. Anybody who quotes Rush Limbaugh is a moron. If the words "Feminazi" have left your lips during a conversation at a party or a picnic you can be assured that you are a Moron.
Red: Or if you have ever said "mega ditto's" damn, Rush Limbaugh is a complete idiot. He defines the word.
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