Power Play..or..More on the California Power Fiasco...

[Tominator]

Actually he has been disproved and discredited on many occasions.

WHERE? WHO? HOW?...Facts? Not inuendos...

He's turned down more talk show invitations than most so-called Conservatives will get in their lifetime.

As usual here we have someone just regurgitating what they have read elsewhere.

Yes, he DOES claim to be an entertainer, but when he claimed fact, he DOES give the source and that is more than anyone else does. He is not only credible, but his political commentaries are so good he has garnered the largest audience in radio history.

I disagree with him on occasion, but even Bill Buckley states he is correct and has been on the show numerous times stateing so....

...Try again...



<< read about his life from a source other then him >>



What a joke! He has several lifetime friends of his family that have come out in his defense and even an ex-wife!

...Try again...

 

[XMan]

Considering that 90% of the media is liberal - save for Fox News and Rush Limbaugh - it seems odd that liberals would be so concerned about what he has to say. Unless, of course, he's right.

 

[Aihyah]

Considering that 90% of the media is liberal - save for Fox News and Rush Limbaugh - it seems odd that liberals would be so concerned about what he has to say. Unless, of course, he's right.

funny you bring up 90%, because liberals say that the media is conservatively slanted.. why would people be concerned about limbaugh? Like it or not he has a loyal following of people that worship him... even though he has no journalistic integrity. this is dangerous.... so yes, people would be concerned.

 

[Aihyah]

http://www.fair.org/press-releases/limbaugh-debates-reality.html

why rush doesn't leave enviroments he doesn't control.. to protect him against people who can discredit him

 

[XMan]

funny you bring up 90%, because liberals say that the media is conservatively slanted..

Yeah, CNN is very conservative.

CBS - heck, Dan Rather gives Democratic fund raisers in his spare time. He must be a conservative.

Whatever.

 

[Hamburgerpimp]

Think of the energy it takes to build a power plant!

 

[CJZ]

Rush Limbaugh is not a journalist. You cannot rely on him for facts, he has a tendency to stretch the truth. If you want news and good reporting with a conservative slant, you should read The Economist, an excellent neo-conservative British publication (well, more libertarian).

And yes he has been discredited many times by FAIR and other groups. People have made careers out of picking apart Limbaugh's errors (Al Franken as mentioned by Aihyah). But my main beef with Limbaugh is his sometimes crude and insensitive comments about minorities, particularly African-Americans (he once told an African American caller to take the bone out of his nose before he calls back and described the father of Madonna's child, a latino, as &quot;looking like a gang-member type&quot.

The &quot;news media&quot; is not liberal, the &quot;mass media&quot; (television, movies, radio, etc.) is liberal. There are many conservative news readers, AKA anchors, e.g. Diane Sawyer, a staunch Nixon loyalist. When surveyed about their political leanings (on social issues), about 57% of reporters identified themselves as moderate, 30% left, 9% right. On economic issues, 64% center, 11% left, 19% right. And you're also forgetting about executives at the news organizations and the parent companies. They tend to be a very conservative bunch who have a tremendous amount of power and can kill stories (e.g. Rupert Murdoch and Jack Welch).

Perhaps you view the media as having a left-leaning bias because they are to the left of you (conservative -> moderate).

MegaDittos (couldn't resist)

 

[Red Dawn]

nt

 

[Red Dawn]

<< but even Bill Buckley states he is correct and has been on the show numerous times stateing so.... >>

Funny, as many times as I've listened to Rusty I've never heard Willian F Buckley on his show. I would think that Buckley would consider him more of a side show than a critical thinking Conservative worth paying attention too.

Right now the worst thing that could come out of this power crisis is a local recession that could spread nationwide. To prevent this we do not need any federal funds, relief supplies, low interest or no interest loans, all we need is a fair level playing field. A Temporary Sensible Cap on Energy Prices will keep this field level, keep our States Credit Rating good and enable to Utility Company to become solvent again. This isn't anything new, Price Caps on Energy Prices have used to decades. This along with Californians Conservation and the States Building of Power Plants should bring us up to were we should be by the late summer of 2002, just in time for Californians to start conserving water

BTW, the Power Plant that Rush Limburger says isn't going to be built obviously isn't one of the 14 that are curently under various stages of construction right at this moment.Sound like sour grapes to me.

 

[Moonbeam]

Here we go again with the same lame canned arguments that have already all been shown to be false in numerous other threads. Why not leave the California energy crisis to people who know what's going on. You conservatives spout the same old hackned silage over and over and over. Deregulate, didn't build enough power plants, not in our yard, environmentalists fault, Price caps cause more usage, conservation doesn't work.

The California energy problem is COMPLEX. The points being make are simple minded, good for wind up automata to spout. I've posted 'proof' in other of these C-cashing threads. It gets old.

The more I hear this brum get beat, the more I suspect that when all the chips are in there's gonna be real bad news for the Bush buddies and spill over on his re-election. Clinton couldn't keep his hands out of his pockets. Seems like the Bush crowd can't keep theirs out of our pockets.

I like the power companies, especially their efforts to do a deal with the state. They do want that one tiny tiny proviso though, that as a condition of rate reduction, the state must drop any investigation into price fixing. Such a small thing to ask for. I mean, after all, they're not guilty!!!!!!!!!!

Just for fun here's a couple of points: The deregulation bill was written by the power companies and approved by both sides of the isle. It was exactly what the companies wanted.

Wind power is the fastest to build and cost to energy produced, among the cheepest, ie most efficient.

The safety and environmental friendliness of nuclear power can easily be demonstrated by a total cleanup of nuclear waste all over the country prior to any new construction.

Bush IS the energy President. He's a real gas.

 

[etech]

energy.ca.gov/electricity/1990-2000_average_rates


Calif.
California Summary -1998-

California has the 11th highest retail electricity prices in the nation. The 1998 state average rate of 9.0¢/kWh was 33 percent above the national average retail rate. California's high rates reflect its enormous stranded cost investments in high cost gas steam units, renewable energy generation and nuclear powerplants. Given its strict environmental standards, California depends upon imported power for roughly half of its power needs. Some imported power is from coal-fired powerplants in Arizona, Nevada, Utah and Wyoming. This coal power in combination with low cost hydroelectric power offset only some of the high generating costs of the state's renewable power (mostly geothermal and wind), gas steam and nuclear powerplants.

 

[Tominator]

Aihyah

About half of the so-called proof of Linbaugh's fallacies, I could debunct myself, but I'll just consider the source. For every theory in science you might quote, I could find another Scientist claiming the oposite were true. I will agree on some points that actual figures might be off and I already new the differences in CFCs anf chlorine....which has still not been proven to harm anything permanently!

The media 'Left Wing?' Over 70% are registered Democrats. For the most part they are FOR the McCain Feingold Act that would throttle the First Amendment....an obvious push to limit free political speech. Liberals try to shut up anyone that disagrees with them. It's part of their agenda.

And as for the Conservatives leaving the California Fiasco to those that know how to fix it, it is REAL obvious that the ones there now have NO IDEA!

The problem is with TOO much Government meddleing.

 

[Aihyah]

its not just science, limbaugh has been debunked on issues of economics and politics as well think some are on the same site.

 

[Tominator]

I read it all. Rush is no more wrong than any other journalist that dares to stand up and be counted. Liberal oR Conservative. When you dare to make a stand, you will be wrong sometimes.

However....as this turned into a Bash Rush Fest, few that have posted here are on topic....typical Liberal ploy...

 

[Kanly]

&quot;Just for fun here's a couple of points: The deregulation bill was written by the power companies and approved by both sides of the isle. It was exactly what the companies wanted&quot;

Just to follow up on Moonbeam's post:

Link

&quot;SCE and PG&amp;E executives, eager to reap the profits of deregulation, were in the forefront of the army of industry lobbyists fighting to establish the system that got California into this mess.

Over the past three decades, as a consultant to 19 state governments, I've seen electricity price regulation from the inside. .. The so-called deregulation movement seeks to replace [an]open, participatory, American system -- one that's been astonishingly effective for nearly a century -- with something conceived and designed in Margaret Thatcher's England and launched there in 1990. (Sorry, California, this is one fad you didn't think of first.) A number of countries, including Brazil and Chile, mimicked the British system. And California swallowed it whole.

This is how the British system works. First, electricity businesses are split into &quot;generators&quot; and &quot;distributors&quot; -- the first owning the power plants, the second the wires transmitting the power. (During this part of the deregulation process, SCE and PG&amp;E gleefully sold off many of their generating plants -- built with ratepayers' money -- and pocketed the proceeds.) Then something called a &quot;power pool&quot; is established.

In Britain, it didn't take long for the handful of power sellers and traders to learn how to &quot;game&quot; the pool, essentially turning the daily auction into a fixed casino. Last year, Britain's Office of Electricity and Gas Markets concluded that collusion and manipulation of the pool had become standard business practice.

So it's not surprising that in Britain -- as well as in every one of its imitators -- the public has suffered higher prices, decayed service and blackouts...

And this is the system that the free-market fanatics foisted on California. Notably, three of the four biggest power generators controlling the California market -- AES, Southern and Dynergy -- and the biggest U.S. power trader, Enron, are also big players in Britain...

I first came to Britain in 1996, to help the incoming Labor government try to fix the nation's new -- but already broken -- electricity market. It didn't work. Year after year, the fixes failed, as they will fail in California and other states that think they can design a deregulated system. There is no fix: Free markets in electricity go berserk because they aren't really markets, aren't free and can't be. Electricity isn't like a dozen bagels; it can't be frozen, stored or trucked where needed. And while you can skip your daily bagel, homes and industry will not do without their daily electricity.&quot;


-- A very interesting read.

 

[Texmaster]

<< Last week, Murant Corporation, a huge energy company, won a license to build a 530-megawatt power plant in California. Now ordinarily that would mean construction would begin, and in about three years the state could have a much-needed power plant up and running. But my friends, these are not normal times.

Murant has put the plant on hold citing a hostile business climate in California. Hostile climate nothing - welcome to the Banana Republic of California. Gray Davis has continually accused power companies of market manipulation, without a shred of evidence. Liberal politicians have been openly debating seizing power plants. Now there's talk of creating a new windfall profits tax, which would basically punish companies that respond to market conditions.

Now you add to the mix, the threat of lawsuits, which could keep the company in court for decades, then you have more than hostility - you've got hate. So when Murant looked at the 300 million dollars they would have to invest to build a power plant in California and they looked at what they're up against. The prospect of having their plants seized, their profits confiscated, and being dumped on forever, they said 'No way.' They became pro-choice - their choice was 'No' - they're pulling the plug.

Spokesman for the Governor sneered: 'It seemed a little ridiculous for a company to get a license to build a power plant then they say they're not gonna build it.' Wrong. What's ridiculous is that you liberals don't understand is that there are real consequences to the non-stop hate campaigns that you wage on 'American Business'. Maybe you ought to sit in the dark with a little pointy hat that says 'D' for Dunce 'till you learn that lesson.

Shamelessly posted without permission from Rush Limbaugh's morning update... >>




Boy I dont have to read any furthur and know that this much proof and truth is really gonna get under the liberal's skin.

 

[Red Dawn]

Rush isn't an expert on anything. He isn't a reporter, he doesn't have a crack research staff,all he does is expound on others opinions that might be favorable to that of his general herd..err..audience. To quote Rush Pumpkin Head as a source is the same as quoting your ucnle Bob as a reliable source. Of course the Limbaughites will emit a high shrill whine when that is pointed out and call those who truthfully point it out liberals, but that's to be expected from those who are not use to thinking for themselves.

 

[Red Dawn]

nt

 

[Tominator]

Interesting, but filled with inuendos and no references. If a Court cannot find price gougeing, I'm suppose to believe this....yea, right..

...not to mention the simplistic last line...

<< Electricity isn't like a dozen bagels; it can't be frozen, stored or trucked where needed. And while you can skip your daily bagel, homes and industry will not do without their daily electricity.&quot; >>



Seems he needed a one liner to take attention from his lack of understanding in free markets.

 

[Texmaster]

<<

<< and I believe this is after the rate increases? Not sure. >>

No it doesn't. We should be receiving a bill for 3 months of Retroactive increase shortly. Despite not getting hit with the increases yet we Californians have been conserving energy effectively.Last month we used 13% less energy than we did a year before. On top of that, the threat of criminal charges against the price gougers(Thieving Texas Energy Companies) has scared them into charging us the normal rates.I bet GW told Enron and those other Energy Robber Barons to calm down with their price gouging or else. >>



Sigh. Straight from the Liberal handbook. California gets its power from 6 states my little friend not just Texas.

Yes California is GREAT at conserving but this energy crisis came about because they attacked the power companies making it almost impossible to build new powerplants for over 10 years. This is the result. Now as usual Liberals are looking for someone to blame. And who better to blame than the people who are providing power? LOL This is an all out attack on Capitalism. California's credit is HORRIBLE yet liberals like you want a socialist cap on what these companies who are in the business for prophit can charge you.

A soda costs more in an office building than in the store. Why? Convience. Liberals dug this hole along with Pete Wilson under pressure from Special Interest groups fanatics from the Green movement. California isn't self sufficient in power so they have to buy from others? You want my power? You pay my price. Thats the essense of capitalism and now Liberals want to cap these companies from making a profit just like they did to the ones in their own state.

It didn't work in your state, and it wont work now.

 

[jjm]

Using the terms &quot;Rush&quot; and &quot;journalism&quot; in the same sentence is hypocracy. Rush has stated plainly that people should view him as an entertainer, not as a journalist. That gives him the freedom to say whatever he likes, and not worry about accuracy.

As for price caps, Alan Blinder, a prominent economist, former Fed vice chairman, avowed conservative, and staunch opponent of price controls, recently endorsed price controls in California. He stated that the market is so unfairly tilted in favor of producers that controls are needed until new supplies are brought on line.

If I am not mistaken, Rush has frequently praised Blinder as a pinnacle of economic thinking.

 

[Red Dawn]

Texmasser

<< Boy I dont have to read any furthur and know that this much proof and truth is really gonna get under the liberal's skin >>

It was meant to get undert Californians Skins Texmaster, that's the oinly reason Limbaugh said it and Tominator posted it.

BTW, How Texass Doing? I see their sewers have backed up so badly that Old GW Declared parts of Southern Texas a Disaster Area, something that he could have honestly done before the flooding.

 

[Texmaster]

<< Rush isn't an expert on anything. He isn't a reporter, he doesn't have a crack research staff,all he does is expound on others opinions that might be favorable to that of his general herd..err..audience. To quote Rush Pumpkin Head as a source is the same as quoting your ucnle Bob as a reliable source. Of course the Limbaughites will emit a high shrill whine when that is pointed out and call those who truthfully point it out liberals, but that's to be expected from those who are not use to thinking for themselves. >>



Who says he is an expert on anything? You dont have to be an expert to see what is going on in California.

 

[Texmaster]

<< Texmasser

<< Boy I dont have to read any furthur and know that this much proof and truth is really gonna get under the liberal's skin >>

It was meant to get undert Californians Skins Texmaster, that's the oinly reason Limbaugh said it and Tominator posted it.

BTW, How Texass Doing? I see their sewers have backed up so badly that Old GW Declared parts of Southern Texas a Disaster Area, something that he could have honestly done before the flooding. >>



I'm in Dallas not Houston

I expect you to make fun of my state but to make fun of a disaster where 12 people have died is even low for you. You really should be ashamed of yourself .

 

[Red Dawn]

I'd like to share your view about California Texmaster but I can't shove my head that far up my ass.