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conjur

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Originally posted by: tallest1
Looks like the CIA's No. 2 man quit and the education secretary is to resign as well. Things are looking great for this admin ain't it?
Still no PNAC pricks have resigned, though. *They* are the ones that need to go!
 

Riprorin

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I think John Danforth will replace him.

Powell's undoing was going to the UN. He should have ignored the UN like Clinton did in the Balkans.
 

cumhail

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Originally posted by: NeoV
I cannot wait for Powell to write a book about the past 4 years...of course all of you righty apologists will say he is another nut like PO, RC, and others from this admin who wrote books after they left....and Cheney will say Powell was out of the loop....

I'm sure others will disagree... but that's what he does, it'll just make me think even less of him than the last four years of cowtowing have. If he was opposed to the policies of this administration, he should have made that opposition known prior to the election and resigned then. His writing an anti-Bush administration book, now, will demonstrate that he kept his mouth shut about perceived injustices just long enough to to allow them to continue for another term; and it will only further prove that he is a man who cannot be counted on to stand up for his principles.

cumhail
 

Zedtom

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I am going to withhold judgment until Powell resurfaces in his next assignment. I will restore the respect I once had for him if he becomes the head of an organization that works for the good of society as opposed to a position with a defense contractor.
 

Riprorin

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By the way, Danforth is an ordained Episcopal minister.

That should rile up a lot of the Libbies.
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: Zedtom
I am going to withhold judgment until Powell resurfaces in his next assignment. I will restore the respect I once had for him if he becomes the head of an organization that works for the good of society as opposed to a position with a defense contractor.


You mean a like Carlyle Group?
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
By the way, Danforth is an ordained Episcopal minister.

That should rile up a lot of the Libbies.

So the intent of the Bush administration and his followers is to 'rile up libbies'?

Now that's the way to govern a nation. After all, Bush is a uniter, not a divider, right?

 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Riprorin
By the way, Danforth is an ordained Episcopal minister.

That should rile up a lot of the Libbies.

So the intent of the Bush administration and his followers is to 'rile up libbies'?

Now that's the way to govern a nation. After all, Bush is a uniter, not a divider, right?

Where did you get that was the intent of the Bush administration? I'm just suggesting that the hate-mongers will likely be out in force.

Do you have a problem with an ordained minister serving in the cabinet?
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Riprorin
By the way, Danforth is an ordained Episcopal minister.

That should rile up a lot of the Libbies.

So the intent of the Bush administration and his followers is to 'rile up libbies'?

Now that's the way to govern a nation. After all, Bush is a uniter, not a divider, right?

Where did you get that was the intent of the Bush administration? I'm just suggesting that the hate-mongers will likely be out in force.

Do you have a problem with an ordained minister serving in the cabinet?

I have a problem with an administration that is mixing government and religion. If an ordained minister can serve without forcing his religion on Americans, no problem. But, judging from past experience with the religious zealots in the Bush administration (Asscroft comes to mind), I seriously doubt that Bush, or any members of his administration, will separate the two.

Would you have any problem with an ordained Imam serving in the cabinet?

 

BBond

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PS The hate mongers are out in force. They're called the Republican Party.

 

GrGr

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Well if Danforth happened to be a Christian Zionist it certainly would have an impact on the perception of the US by the rest of the world. Not to mention the impact it would have on the upcoming peace "negotiations" between the Palestinians and Israel.

Fortunately it seems as if Episcopals are a bit more moderate in their Christian views but you never know.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Riprorin
By the way, Danforth is an ordained Episcopal minister.

That should rile up a lot of the Libbies.

So the intent of the Bush administration and his followers is to 'rile up libbies'?

Now that's the way to govern a nation. After all, Bush is a uniter, not a divider, right?

Where did you get that was the intent of the Bush administration? I'm just suggesting that the hate-mongers will likely be out in force.

Do you have a problem with an ordained minister serving in the cabinet?

I have a problem with an administration that is mixing government and religion. If an ordained minister can serve without forcing his religion on Americans, no problem. But, judging from past experience with the religious zealots in the Bush administration (Asscroft comes to mind), I seriously doubt that Bush, or any members of his administration, will separate the two.

Would you have any problem with an ordained Imam serving in the cabinet?

Not really. I also wouldn't have a problem with a black, a hispanic, a Jew, a homosexual, a woman, etc. (or combinations thereof) so long as they were qualified.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: GrGr
Well if Danforth happened to be a Christian Zionist it certainly would have an impact on the perception of the US by the rest of the world. Not to mention the impact it would have on the upcoming peace "negotiations" between the Palestinians and Israel.

Fortunately it seems as if Episcopals are a bit more moderate in their Christian views but you never know.
Don't Episcopals accept Gays as ordained Priests?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I don't give a rat's ass if they go to church or not. You can find just as many athiestic nut jobs.

Powell was the one voice that raised serious (and justified) objections to the Iraqi war. He is being replaced because he isn't a "team player". What Bush wants is someone who will yes him to death. That is what he has always wanted.

"If you aren't for me you are against me" has always been GWB's motto.
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: GrGr
Well if Danforth happened to be a Christian Zionist it certainly would have an impact on the perception of the US by the rest of the world. Not to mention the impact it would have on the upcoming peace "negotiations" between the Palestinians and Israel.

Fortunately it seems as if Episcopals are a bit more moderate in their Christian views but you never know.
Don't Episcopals accept Gays as ordained Priests?

I am definitely no expert on the subject so somebody religious should be better qualified to answer your question. I found this however:

Conservative Episcopals ask for 'realignment' of church
 

BBond

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Bush is purging his cabinet the same way he is purging the CIA. If you disagree with Bush you're gone. This way Bush can govern in an echo chamber just the way he wants to. Why have dissenting opinions? Just fill your administration with yes men. That way there are none of those pesky opposing ideas to consider and you can make much greater mistakes.

Like Iraq.

 

clamum

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Originally posted by: BBond
Bush is purging his cabinet the same way he is purging the CIA. If you disagree with Bush you're gone. This way Bush can govern in an echo chamber just the way he wants to. Why have dissenting opinions? Just fill your administration with yes men. That way there are none of those pesky opposing ideas to consider and you can make much greater mistakes.

Like Iraq.

Hard to believe people actually voted for that idiot isn't it?
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: clamum
Originally posted by: BBond
Bush is purging his cabinet the same way he is purging the CIA. If you disagree with Bush you're gone. This way Bush can govern in an echo chamber just the way he wants to. Why have dissenting opinions? Just fill your administration with yes men. That way there are none of those pesky opposing ideas to consider and you can make much greater mistakes.

Like Iraq.

Hard to believe people actually voted for that idiot isn't it?

Time to reward his Evangelical Base for his Annointment.

Specter is not going to be picked because he 'Cautioned' Bush on the Abortion Rights issue,
Danforth will be used in some capacity - he is, and always has been a Religious Activist within
the workings of the GOP, and is often used as a 'Go-To Guy' by Bush to get a Religious slant
put on a crirical doctrine when things go bad in foriegn countries, look at his history.
Point Man for the GOP invertigation at Waco with the Branch Davidians and their Fire Worshiping Cult,
and US Ambassador to Sudan with the turmoil there over Christians Vs. Arabs.