Powell is about to come clean

[slyedog]

who in this forum KNEW that we would find no WMD BEFORE the war?
you are FOS---------------------------------quote by moshquerade



i really got a good laugh out of that quote. i thought i was the only one on the forum that knew glug was FOS. best quote of the day!!!!

 

[MadRat]

Actually Powell won minor fame in gw1 because he listened to his enlisted staff and tech sergeants and was able to piece meal together a "live battlefield" system in about a week back before anyone had even thought of doing it. It was low tech and built mainly in Power Point, but it was damn good at giving an hourly update from a God's Eye point of view. None of the other brass was willing to pull their head out of their ass to coordinate the information together which frustrated the intell guys. (Before then they had to spend the bulk of each and every day hand-manual drawing repetitive tasks/threats out on gigantic plotter paper.) Funny thing, they would blow $50 million per F-15 but wouldn't spend $25K to get a programmer and script kiddie team put together for a week of practical purpose. Powell won alot of kudoes for this and quickly won favor with the joint chiefs.

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: slyedog
who in this forum KNEW that we would find no WMD BEFORE the war?
you are FOS---------------------------------quote by moshquerade

i really got a good laugh out of that quote. i thought i was the only one on the forum that knew glug was FOS. best quote of the day!!!!

The UN inspectors knew it. And plenty of people repeated that fact before the invasion.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I wonder if the Bush Admin will try to quietly assassinate him in the hopes of shutting him up.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I have never understood Powell worship. His image was bought and paid for.

He would have fit in fine during the Eisenhower era.

He's a paleo-conservative. Modern times have no use for them now.

 

[Harvey]

Until last night, I had a little hope that Powell would come clean and bust the Bushwhackos for their lies and deceit. One day later, and now that I lost my dinner watching Powell duck and weave around the serious questions, he convinced me he's about as clean as the water covering New Orleans. :|

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Powell knew [....] but he represented [....] He knew what [....] He also knew [....] he's trying to [....]

Who are you, his wife? You sound like someone else on this forum... a guy who knows more about someone than that person himself knows. :roll:

I can more easily forgive the ideological whackjobs involved than Powell- they can't think straight, can't help themselves- he can.

Yeah... you, the liberal, aren't ideological at all. Make a date with a mirror sometime and get to know who you see.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: moshquerade
you are speculating.


Powell has spoken out against in hindsight. i have yet to read where he thought "at the time" that the intelligence reports were false.

Ever read "Plan of Attack"?

??

??

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: shurato

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT

Originally posted by: Tab
Everyone makes mistakes, not that many people admit to them.

Colin Powell is one of the better members of the Bush Administration.

Powell is not a member of the administration. He was. He played a critical role in launching the war in Iraq. He knew exactly what he was doing and who he was doing it for. Someone with the experience and contacts that Powell has had to know that the Iraq invasion was pure scam. He should have resigned before making total fool of himself in front of the UN security council.

i love how you guys are so sure he knew at the time he was making the case for the war to the U.N. that he knew there were inaccuraces in the intelligence reports in front of him.
i don't think he knew at that time.

hindsight now is 20/20.

Yes another worthless post from one of Bush's cheerleaders on here.

Tell me about it. You can predict mosh's position on a topic before reading a single post; it's straight out of the PNAC playbook.

The only annoying thing is that mosh decided to join the bandwagon after all but the most diehard apologists jumped ship.

Well I guess it's not too bad. Keeps the threads from being 100% one-sided, and it's always fun to learn a little more about the primative brain and how it works.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
"One of the greatest Americans ever"- for a sellout. Too bad he didn't resign on the eve of the invasion of iraq, come clean about the lies and distortions before the fact, rather than after...

He believed the facts about Iraq, just like everyone else did, before the war.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
"One of the greatest Americans ever"- for a sellout. Too bad he didn't resign on the eve of the invasion of iraq, come clean about the lies and distortions before the fact, rather than after...

He believed the facts about Iraq, just like everyone else did, before the war.

Wha???

EDIT: NM, you were talking about the sheep. Of course they did; sheep follow the flock.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
"One of the greatest Americans ever"- for a sellout. Too bad he didn't resign on the eve of the invasion of iraq, come clean about the lies and distortions before the fact, rather than after...

He believed the facts about Iraq, just like everyone else did, before the war.

And just what were those "facts" you speak of?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: moshquerade
it's too bad so many people doubt that the President couldn't have believed just the same.

*shakes head*

In other words, too bad more people couldn't be sheep. The intelligence was cooked and twisted to what Bush and the PNAC crew wanted. Powell was a part of the cooking and twisting and he knew it, hence his sudden departure after the 2004 elections.

"I wonder how people will feel when we drop 1/2 million troops it Iraq, march from one of that country to the other and find absolutely nothing?!?"

That's one hell of a statement to make just minutes after give the "go to war" speech to the UN.

Too bad the country and Powell were duped!

you are speculating.


Powell has spoken out against in hindsight. i have yet to read where he thought "at the time" that the intelligence reports were false.

Problem is.. You believe him when he says it is hindsight... All politicians want you to belive that...

That quote was within a few minutes after the speech and before the war. What's so "hindsight" about it?

"I wonder how people will feel when we drop 1/2 million troops it Iraq, march from one of that country to the other and find absolutely nothing?!?"

 

[Jhhnn]

From ntdz-

"He believed the facts about Iraq, just like everyone else did, before the war."

Then why did he present a fairytale in his UN speech? And why, oh why weren't those so-called facts verifiable even after the invasion?

Because there weren't any facts, just suspicion, supposition, accusation and innuendo.

Powell has a powerful intellect, which was honed at West Point and through field experience. He's highly capable, and has the savvy to properly evaluate nuanced information, advise the President. Unfortunately, that's not what happened, not what he was called upon to do, not the role he was placed in. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, et al just needed a credible mouthpiece to spread the proper disinformation, and he knowingly obliged. He placed loyalty to the Admin above loyalty to the truth, to duty, and to the people.

He sold out.

 

[Gaard]

"These are not assertions. What we're giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence."

 

[totalcommand]

Here's the truth as I see it now.

1. Bush wanted to attack Iraq to gain a foothold in the Middle East, for oil, for combating Iran, and for other reasons. But these reasons were not enough by themselves for him.

2. Then Bush believed that Iraq had WMDs from very initial intelligence reports.

3. Then Bush, knowingly, pushed intelligence to be crafted around his intention to get after Iraq (both for #2 and #1)

4. Congress and the American people see Bush's intelligence, and believe the intelligence reports.

5. Congress and the American people are duped into the Iraq War.

And finally, the most important:

6. Bush's push to craft intelligence around his goal #1 comes back to bite him, as Iraq has no WMDs.

Thus, we all believed Bush, and Bush believed Bush also, but his crafting of intelligence around ulterior goals bit us in the a**. If he had not done this, there was probably a better chance of us staying out of the war.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i love how you guys are so sure he knew at the time he was making the case for the war to the U.N. that he knew there were inaccuraces in the intelligence reports in front of him.
i don't think he knew at that time.

hindsight now is 20/20.

Enough people in this forum knew, if Powell didn't know that's pretty pathetic.

who in this forum KNEW that we would find no WMD BEFORE the war?
you are FOS.

Kind of comical how "inaccuracies in the intelligence" becomes "no WMD".

 

[luigi1]

It may be that I'm what you guys refir to a sheeple on this subject. But CP is first and formost an officer in the army. What is the most important thing to do as an officer? Follow the orders of your commander, thats what. I still think that CP has the most integery of any american in the public light. I seldom vote. When I do I vote demo. But I'll join the repulb party if this man will run, I'll contribute, I'll pass out flyers. I love men of integery and I dont fault CP for what he did. He did not know, neither did you, or I. He may have had reservations, he may have had instinks, But he did not have certan knowledge and his commander was wanting him to speak. So he spoke. It would be a huge thing for america to elect a black man, not because hes black, but because hes such a huge man. The world pays attension when CP speaks. It would heal so many wounds, it would inspire so many of our disenfranched. And do you doubt that CP would do his level best, on a level playing field? And what more can you ask of any leader?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Powell - one of the greatest Americans ever :thumbsup:

a true Patriot

Really? I see him as a reluctant sellout, and, ultimately, a coward. I would have voted for him for President prior to OIF; now I wouldn't elect him dogcatcher. His service as SecState reminds me of something Churchill once said about Mussolini - he called him "that utensil." To me, Powell was cynically and shamelessly used by the Bush administration, and now he's damaged goods. Serves him right.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: raildogg

Powell - one of the greatest Americans ever :thumbsup:

a true Patriot

Really? I see him as a reluctant sellout, and, ultimately, a coward. I would have voted for him for President prior to OIF; now I wouldn't elect him dogcatcher. His service as SecState reminds me of something Churchill once said about Mussolini - he called him "that utensil." To me, Powell was cynically and shamelessly used by the Bush administration, and now he's damaged goods. Serves him right.

I dunno, politics is a diiiiirrrrty game, and he did what he had to do to gain foothold, but then he couldn't take it anymore, and he's off.